Your New Government Pro-Treaty Website has Arrived

It’s the stability treaty.

Jay.

Sus.

A man arriving at government buildings this morning ahead of a pro-treaty photocall happening around now.

(Laura Hutton/Photocall Ireland)

Meanwhile, Stability Treaty: The Movie:


45 thoughts on “Your New Government Pro-Treaty Website has Arrived”

  2. Smart name, I like it it. I think it’ll work. PMA. We’re going to do it.

  3. You wouldn’t vote against stability would ya? would ya? *

    *terms and conditions apply, a vote against stability will/may/shall incur another vote and so on until you get it right.

  7. So safetytreaty.ie, securitytreaty.ie and thatthingthatyouverymuchwantandwouldn’twanttovoteagainsttreaty.ie were taken then?

    • untilitreaty.ie

      like big phils water untility, its the ‘going forward’ for the FG/Labour generation. NB gov ministers – just slap ‘until’ on anything you want done no matter what people say against it, as in ‘we’re going to keep coming back at you until you pay the untility bill /vote for the untilitreaty”

  10. are ye transcribing last night’s Vincent B? around the 5minute mark, Steve Keen predicts europe (peripheral countries like us, spain, portugal and italy) to descend into political or military coups, we are reliving the 1930s, amazing we cannot learn from our mistakes. scary stuff, constantin g agreeing with him and dan and laura from de papers completely lost as it all flew over their heads.

  11. Hopefully we go with Star Wars subtitles to differentiate the number of times we vote on this one.

    This one can be “Stability Treaty: A New Hope”. The next will be “Stability Treaty Strike Back”, then “Return of the Stability Treaty”. Then “Stability Treaty: The Phantom Menace”, “Stability Treaty: Attack of the Clones” and “Revenge of the Stability Treaty” to round it out.

  15. I wouldn’t mind so much if this even did what it’s supposed to do but it’s done nothing to fix what is a broken monetary union. Just look at how the markets are returning to that view point – http://goo.gl/z7XPx

  16. Sign designed by committee right up to ten minutes before it was needed and then printed cheaply, probably by an intern in some politically connected company hoping for a contract under the table.

  17. The referendum seeks to add a new Subsection 10 to article 29.4 of the Constitution. It will state:

    “The State may ratify the Treaty on Stability, Co-ordination and Governance in the Economic and Monetary Union done at Brussels on the 2nd day of March 2012. No provision of this Constitution invalidates laws enacted, acts done or measures adopted by the State that are necessitated by the obligations of the State under that Treaty or prevents laws enacted, acts done or measures adopted by bodies competent under that Treaty from having the force of law in the State.”

    So, according to my understanding of the above, if the referendum passes then the Irish Constitution will in future become subservient to this Treaty. That seems to be the end of Sovereignty alright.

    • Uh-huh. From their website FAQ:

      “The amendment will not include details of the rules agreed under the Treaty. If this amendment is approved by referendum, the details will be dealt with in laws made by the Oireachtas.”

      Translates roughly as “oh tiresome and much-loathed citizens, sign here and we shall get on with the important business of appeasing our paymasters, lining our roomy pockets and throwing your hard-earned tax money at bankers”.

    • No. It means that laws passed or acts done under the Treaty won’t be capable of being challenged under the Constitution. However, there is nothing to stop us (i.e. the Oireachtas) changing or repealing those laws (or deleting that constitutional amendment even) if we want. It may p*ss off others in Europe, but they can’t say that’s it’s illegal under Irish law.

      There’s a more difficult question of whether it’s “illegal” under international law for us to renounce the Treaty (assuming we ratify it). But international law doesn’t have effect within Ireland if Irish law or the Constitution says otherwise.

      • That’s a disingenuous ‘No’ at the start of your comment there Amadan. Yet in your next sentence you agree that anything decreed by this Treaty (assuming the referendum passes) cannot be declared unconstitutional. Thus the Irish Constitution will become subservient to EU law.

        You go on to say we can change the law/constitution afterwards, but there’s two chances of that happening; none and f*ck all.

        • No Zuppy, his point was that we wont need to change the constitution afterwards.

      • Yup. From my reading of this clause it does almost nothing to our constitution.

        It certainly does not enshrine austerity in the constitution.

        That is not to say that laws regarding budget deficits wont be enacted on the back of this (they will).

        But laws can be changed, and laws not in the constitution can be changed with a change of government.

        I’m undecided. Had it placed deficit limits or any other kind of economic ideology in our constitution I would have certainly been voting no.

  19. Not sure how to vote in the forthcoming referendum? Let this objective, dispassionate video be your guide

  21. Can they quantify “way more”? Or is that as specific as they are going to get? *mutters about dumbing down in the media etc.*

  22. That map of Ireland shows the 32 Counties……..I’ll vote for that!