39 thoughts on “End Of Empire

  1. ffintii

    The US Empire started to collapse when they went for their discretionary wars in Iraq and Afghanistan

    1. I really should be working

      I cannot seem to find any information on a US Empire anywhere could you please provide reference?

    1. patsy

      How do you mean Sido? It ceased to the tallest when the first of the original Twin Towers surpassed it back in the 70s. Then it ceased to be the tallest for the second time yesterday when One World Trade Centre surpassed it.

      What was the THIRD time it ceased to be the tallest?

      1. paul m

        think he may be counting the two towers of the original trade centre complex as seperate skyscrapers passing the height of empire state building.

  2. I really should be working

    em•pire
       /ˈɛmpaɪər; for 8–10 also ɒmˈpɪər/ Show Spelled[em-pahyuhr; for 8–10 also om-peer] Show IPA
    noun
    1.
    a group of nations or peoples ruled over by an emperor, empress, or other powerful sovereign or government: usually a territory of greater extent than a kingdom, as the former British Empire, French Empire, Russian Empire, Byzantine Empire, or Roman Empire.
    2.
    a government under an emperor or empress.
    3.
    ( often initial capital letter ) the historical period during which a nation is under such a government: a history of the second French empire.
    4.
    supreme power in governing; imperial power; sovereignty: Austria’s failure of empire in central Europe.
    5.
    supreme control; absolute sway: passion’s empire over the mind.

    When you resort to wikipidia to support your argument you have all ready lost, Oxford dictionary definition above.

    Cultural influence is not what makes an empire, could you please show the nations or peoples that are ruled over by the US Congress.

    Now Richard Boyd Barret get back to your NO campaign

    1. woesinger

      Since we’re trading definitions:

      An imperial political structure is established and maintained in two ways: (i) as a territorial empire of direct conquest and control with force (direct, physical action to compel the emperor’s goals), and (ii) as a coercive, hegemonic empire of indirect conquest and control with power (the perception that the emperor can physically enforce his desired goals).

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire

      Then remember that the US was once 13 colonies along the east coast of North America and ask your question again of the native Americans, Hawaiians, Aleutes, Puerto Ricans, Filipinos (at one stage), Samoans.

      And that’s before we consider indirect influence from banana republics to Iran and Chile.

      1. I really should be working

        Please see above quote when thinking about using wikipidia as a reference also read what you post
        “(direct, physical action to compel the emperor’s goals), and (ii) as a coercive, hegemonic empire of indirect conquest and control with power (the perception that the emperor can physically enforce his desired goals).”

        Please name the US Emperor?

        Again Non forced cultural influence is not imperial conquest, economic imperialism perhaps but if America kept its economic goodies to itself allot of Irish would be unemployed!

        America has never had a policy of empire building, or aggresive military expansion outside of the continental United States.

        Indirect influence is not empire building.

        Next you will be telling me they are part of a zionist conspirocy to invade Palastine

        1. George Michael

          “America has never had a policy of aggresive military expansion outside of the continental United States”

          that’s your opinion, many would argue with that

        2. woesinger

          No – that’s clearly paranoid lefty nonsense.

          As I said – you don’t need an emperor to have an empire. Empires don’t need to be autocratic. See Athens and Venice as two examples. And for that matter, the British Empire, since it was run by parliament and not directly by Victoria and co, though they nominally held the title.

          American direct imperialism outside the continental US: Hawaii, Philippines, Puerto Rico.

          Indirect influence, particularly when backed by force, is the very hallmark of imperialism.

          Rather than post more links – google gunboat diplomacy, and its American version, Big Stick Diplomacy. Then Operation Boot, Banana Republic, Salvador Allende and US Carrier Groups. And to top it off, the impressive list of countries the US has bombed since the Second World War.

          You don’t have to be a paranoid leftie to recognise that America has and continues to exert imperial power. The Bush Administration practically boasted about it.

        3. Jockstrap

          ” America has never had a policy of empire building, or aggresive military expansion outside of the continental United States”

          They have. They have several hundred military bases around the world and they influence political parties, electorates, media, business leaders, all over the world through various ‘institutes’ and charities.

          American Capitalism is the Empire more so than Americans themselves.

          Read a book.

          1. Spaghetti Hoop

            And they call their president the “Leader of the Western World”. Sounds emperor-like to me.

  3. Continuity Jay-Z

    It looks much smaller than the Empire State Building in that photo to be fair.

  4. Kenneth Purtell

    How does Goldman Sach benefit from invading Iraq & Afghanistan?

    Is it fat people?

      1. Kenneth Purtell

        …and you’re notified but you think to yourself WTF!!! they’ve been dead for like ages, I was at the funerals and everything?!?

        There’s a big movie in that.

    1. Zuppy International

      And then it collapses completely from the top down in defiance of all known laws of physics.

        1. Zuppy International

          Who’s Jim Corr?

          Why don’t you spend your time constructing a rational, coherent argument of what you think happened instead of making snide remarks?

  5. John Gallen

    It looked like a discussion on whether the US is an empire or not. It is, economically, and collapsing.

    Then the twin towers debate…. mmmmm?

    I’m with Zuppy

    1. Zuppy International

      Good man John.

      The 9/11 meme is obviously nonsense. It is surely no-coincidence that the above images are released one year after they killed off their OBL character.

      The Official Story is so full of holes that’s its defenders can now only resort to crude insults of those who refuse to comply with their Fairy-Tale.

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