Never?
Never.
“In a small number of cases, however, the treatment given may unintentionally result in the death of the unborn child. But in such cases the life is never directly and intentionally taken and everything is done to save the child. The key moral issue, therefore, for Catholics is that the life of the unborn can never be taken intentionally.”
John Fleming, Bishop of Killala
Abortion Is Never The Basis For A Humane Or Compassionate Solution (John Fleming, Irish Times)
Consistent with the Church’s tendency to view children as collateral damage.
Yep
Bishops, truly the leading authority on women’s health.
A number of Senators also regularly speak about abortion and abortion legislation. Ivana Bacik springs to mind. She is not, nor would she ever claim to be a medical doctor. Ditto many, many other people on all sides of the abortion debate who are not medical doctors.
People are entitled to have and voice opinions on these matters. We can choose to listen to them or not.
I’d trust Ivana Bacik, a fellow non-celibate woman, to care about my reproductive rights than a bunch of cloistered old men.
People do have a right to their opinions, and I choose to ignore the opinions of bishops in basically all matters. Makes my life just a little bit nicer.
*I’d sooner trust
No problem. Just pointing out that ignoring his views because he’s not a medical doctor is unreasonable.
Ignoring his views because he is literally making shit up, however, is fine.
Who cares what this idiot thinks? :/
+2012
Dr. John Fleming, Consultant of Killala
I accidentally an abortion.
“Terribly sorry, but the operation we were performing to end your ectopic pregnancy accidentally aborted the fetus, even though that wasn’t our intention at all…. hang on, what do you mean, you’re suing me for gross negligence because I caused the death of your baby by accident while performing an unrelated procedure?”
Thank you for your expert medical opinion, Dr. Priest.
Let him have his opinion. It accounts for nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Tell that to Labour ministers who get upset when bishops voice opinions that don’t agree with their own.
Clampers i think you summed it up in one. He is (literally) preaching to a choir which already thinks the same as him.
You could say that about any person putting forward a point of view. Most people who find themselves agreeing with him would have been of that mindset anyway. Same goes for every side of the argument.
But for ANY debater (forgetting the abortion debate for a minute) it is important to rally your own support, try to convince marginal supporters or undecided people and maybe change a few minds.
That’s the nature of public debate, no?
I’d like to know how priests paid for abortions over the years.
Boom!
And completely unrelated…there are Catholics out there who are actively Catholic and actively pro-choice. http://www.catholicsforchoice.org/
They have no moral authority any more. They need to sort their own sh*t out and make amends for the wrongs done by the church. That should take quite some time- until then they should just shut the f*ck up.
In some cases (e.g. ectopic) the medical profession (and parents) know that the procedures they are going ahead with are going to terminate the pregnancy to save the mother’s life.
Just because the Church are winking to each other and going “say nothing” doesn’t mean it’s a deliberate termination of a pregnancy and isn’t an abortion.
This anti-abortion stuff is morally bankrupt. Human life has no value, certainly now that there are 7 million of us and the only mammal species that outnumbers use are brown rats. (incidently the only animals species that outnumber us are krill, ants and chicken). There are less individuals in the largest species of cockroaches than there are human beings on the planet.
There are so many of us, human life is discounted to a value of 0. Fortunately for the planet earth the positive feedback from global warming will resolve this problem.