They’ve every right to be angry. I hope they frighten the hell out of those in the embassy and that that message reaches our govt at home, served cold on a plate of shame!
‘Those in the embassy’ were very kind to me when I went through a traumatic experience in India. It is not necessary to ‘frighten the hell’ out of innocent people to make a loud and unambiguous point, whatever its import.
While I accept you have strong views, perhaps you might re-think your rhetoric and express them more eloquently.
Fair point Brian.
The BJP being a racist and national chauvinist party par excellence.
Exactly. +1 and all that.
+1 The BJP are India’s equivalent of the BNP. Sort out the caste system, female infanticide and dowry killings and then come back and point the finger at our failings.
+1000.
I’d say the US Republican Party would be a more accurate comparison. Yes, there are massive social issues to address in India, and the BJP have been part of the problem. As this week’s events have exposed, we have issues of our own to contend with.
That is childish. Just because India has failigns doens’t mean that we just be absolved from sorting ours.
That’s like something a politician would say, attacking the group instead of the issue. Don’t think it matters what party they’re from, they’re right
First of all, they aren’t right. She wasn’t murdered, and they are trying to make political capital out of a tragic situation.
Secondly, it does matter what party they are from in this case. India had a very good record as a secular state thanks to the Congress Party who governed for most of the period until the 1990s. The BJP consist of militant Hindu nationalists. They and their ilk (such as the Shiv Sena) are responsible for the scandal of the Aodha mosque – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayodhya_dispute – and there have been attacks on Christian groups in other parts of India.
Thats me told, back in my box
True, but they’re still jumping at a chance of demonising Christians.
+1 “[Organisers of the protest]demanded arrest of the hospital staff and filing cases against them for the murder of Smt. Savita”.
So now medical staff constrained in their choices by the uncertain legal status of abortion in Ireland should face murder charges because some populists on the far side of the world think so?
The news this week has been so upsetting. The horrific stories of how women are treated in maternity hospitals in Ireland on Joe Duffy this week is sobering listening. This week has been a real eye opener. My place in Ireland as a woman has really been brought home to me.
Where’s my tea ;)
I believe it’s in the dog.
I’ve listened to a bit of the Talk to Joe / Liveline / Moanline show this week and it’s a disgrace in regards to the subject of Ms.Halappanavar. Duffy is permitting people to ring in and deliver their own personal birth woes on unlimited airtime. There is no mediation, debate, professional input, informed opinion, deliberation or two-way dialogue. That broadcaster is some chancer.
What, so people shouldn’t be allowed to tell their own stories? Or is this sarcasm that’s gone over my head?
It’s not the telling of the stories, it’s the problem that Joe Duffy has in managing the broadcasting of them. Give people an open mike and they’ll rattle on without any factual back-up.
I don’t see any sarcasm here at all. Just a point I wanted to make.
Best thread all week! :)
To be fair to Irish maternity hospitals and to your place as a woman in Ireland, the Irish system has one of the best records of deaths in childbirth or during pregnancy in the world (3rd or 4th). This includes our neighbours in the UK and India for that matter.
That doesn’t prevent the events of last week being a disgrace but a focused campaign is better than generalised moaning about you position in the world.
The real problem with the pro-choice movement in Ireland is that it doesn’t seem to have majority support amongst women, even young, educated women.
The BJP got those fancy signs done up rather quickly, not a great bunch of people though (the BJP that is)
Bang of ‘Insert Outraged Sogan Here’ about those signs alright.
What happen to that poor girl was shocking and a real eye opener, but the human rights in India are sub human, they are in no position to point the finger at Ireland with all the horrific things happening on their own door step.
Exactly what I was banging on about yesterday. Women in India can only dream about the sort of free and progressive life they would have in Ireland, despite our failings and what happened to Savita. Hard to stomach India wagging the finger at us. Hypocrisy of the highest order.
It’s not hypocrisy at all. This is about one issue, abortion. The fact is if Savita had been in India, she would still be alive.
…because she’s from a wealthy background
Given the BJP’s track record, I hope the embassy staff have the fire extinguishers handy.
Its really kicking off this week, isn’t it? Between this, Gaza & me agreeing with something Kevin Myers says WTF, it *must* be end of days.
I agreed with him as well. The world has gone mad.
Balls to Monty – the world has always been an open-air asylum, but now we have the means and language to analyse ourselves as a species and deduce the consequences of our words and actions/inactions. Turns out the gods don’t curse us for stealing their fire/ eating fruit / climbing mountains. Stuff happens in statistically likely ways and frequencies, that is all.
The next Irish Trade mission to India will be very interesting I’d say.
If only humans were that nice. Business is business. This is a tiny blip on the radar.
Those in glasshouses shouldn’t throw stones. India recorded 57,000 maternal deaths in 2010. Women die on the streets while giving birth in India due to the uneven distribution of wealth and the disgraceful way the Indian governement treat the dalits. I think it’s a disgrace what happened to Savita Halappanavar and I hope abortion is legislated for but come on India! Perhaps you should look at your own disgraceful treatment of pregnant women throughout India
+1
To be fair, they can angry about more than one thing. Fr’instance, I’m angry about the Catholic Church’s undue influence over Irish law. I’m also angry with the government for failing to legislate for over 22 years. I’m also pretty ticked at the hike in public transport fares.
I looked up the BJP on Wikipedia (extensive resarch self pat on back) and thought their description made them sound rather a lot like Fianna Fail/Fine Gael. I like the irony.
“The Bharatiya Janata Party … is one of the two major political parties in India, the other being the Indian National Congress. Established in 1980, it is India’s second largest political party in terms of representation in the parliament and in the various state assemblies. The Bharatiya Janata Party advocates Hindu nationalism and social conservatism, self-reliance, social justice, foreign policy driven by a nationalist agenda, a strong national defense and a more economically liberal fiscal policy to that of the democratic socialist Indian National Congress”
Maybe not exactly. Not Hindu, obviously.
What does a Hindu?
Lay eggs
Iggs.
I’m meant to be there next week – will be interesting to see how the story is seen from their side, and how big a story it is.
A
from Fine Gael press office “FG TD and Minister of State, Brian Hayes, to launch the Festival of Lights (Indian Diwali Celebration)”
BJP is a sinn fein/ fianna fail type party of cynical populism and nationalism aimed at the base desires of morons.
India has a few of its own problems when dealing with young women such as bride burning.
Im pretty sure thats illegal. As was giving Savita an abortion. Theres the difference
8000 brides burnt last year. There’s another difference.
BJP and Sinn Fein – not so different.
Who gives a shit about what a handful of blowhards from a nuclear triggered nation where a disgusting caste system, bride-burning and people dying on the street from poverty is a tourist photo op put on their placards?
BJP protests outside Irish embassy In Delhi (NewsTrack India)
They’ve every right to be angry. I hope they frighten the hell out of those in the embassy and that that message reaches our govt at home, served cold on a plate of shame!
‘Those in the embassy’ were very kind to me when I went through a traumatic experience in India. It is not necessary to ‘frighten the hell’ out of innocent people to make a loud and unambiguous point, whatever its import.
While I accept you have strong views, perhaps you might re-think your rhetoric and express them more eloquently.
Fair point Brian.
The BJP being a racist and national chauvinist party par excellence.
Exactly. +1 and all that.
+1 The BJP are India’s equivalent of the BNP. Sort out the caste system, female infanticide and dowry killings and then come back and point the finger at our failings.
+1000.
I’d say the US Republican Party would be a more accurate comparison. Yes, there are massive social issues to address in India, and the BJP have been part of the problem. As this week’s events have exposed, we have issues of our own to contend with.
That is childish. Just because India has failigns doens’t mean that we just be absolved from sorting ours.
That’s like something a politician would say, attacking the group instead of the issue. Don’t think it matters what party they’re from, they’re right
First of all, they aren’t right. She wasn’t murdered, and they are trying to make political capital out of a tragic situation.
Secondly, it does matter what party they are from in this case. India had a very good record as a secular state thanks to the Congress Party who governed for most of the period until the 1990s. The BJP consist of militant Hindu nationalists. They and their ilk (such as the Shiv Sena) are responsible for the scandal of the Aodha mosque – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayodhya_dispute – and there have been attacks on Christian groups in other parts of India.
Thats me told, back in my box
True, but they’re still jumping at a chance of demonising Christians.
+1 “[Organisers of the protest]demanded arrest of the hospital staff and filing cases against them for the murder of Smt. Savita”.
So now medical staff constrained in their choices by the uncertain legal status of abortion in Ireland should face murder charges because some populists on the far side of the world think so?
The news this week has been so upsetting. The horrific stories of how women are treated in maternity hospitals in Ireland on Joe Duffy this week is sobering listening. This week has been a real eye opener. My place in Ireland as a woman has really been brought home to me.
Where’s my tea ;)
I believe it’s in the dog.
I’ve listened to a bit of the Talk to Joe / Liveline / Moanline show this week and it’s a disgrace in regards to the subject of Ms.Halappanavar. Duffy is permitting people to ring in and deliver their own personal birth woes on unlimited airtime. There is no mediation, debate, professional input, informed opinion, deliberation or two-way dialogue. That broadcaster is some chancer.
You misspelt “dickhead”.
Ole
Women not people, women Mr Hoop.
Ms. Hoop, yourcommentisawitingmoderation, Ms. Hoop.
Oh, so you were being sarcastic then. It failed.
Failed what? vv
What, so people shouldn’t be allowed to tell their own stories? Or is this sarcasm that’s gone over my head?
It’s not the telling of the stories, it’s the problem that Joe Duffy has in managing the broadcasting of them. Give people an open mike and they’ll rattle on without any factual back-up.
I don’t see any sarcasm here at all. Just a point I wanted to make.
Best thread all week! :)
To be fair to Irish maternity hospitals and to your place as a woman in Ireland, the Irish system has one of the best records of deaths in childbirth or during pregnancy in the world (3rd or 4th). This includes our neighbours in the UK and India for that matter.
That doesn’t prevent the events of last week being a disgrace but a focused campaign is better than generalised moaning about you position in the world.
The real problem with the pro-choice movement in Ireland is that it doesn’t seem to have majority support amongst women, even young, educated women.
The BJP got those fancy signs done up rather quickly, not a great bunch of people though (the BJP that is)
Bang of ‘Insert Outraged Sogan Here’ about those signs alright.
What happen to that poor girl was shocking and a real eye opener, but the human rights in India are sub human, they are in no position to point the finger at Ireland with all the horrific things happening on their own door step.
Exactly what I was banging on about yesterday. Women in India can only dream about the sort of free and progressive life they would have in Ireland, despite our failings and what happened to Savita. Hard to stomach India wagging the finger at us. Hypocrisy of the highest order.
It’s not hypocrisy at all. This is about one issue, abortion. The fact is if Savita had been in India, she would still be alive.
…because she’s from a wealthy background
Given the BJP’s track record, I hope the embassy staff have the fire extinguishers handy.
Its really kicking off this week, isn’t it? Between this, Gaza & me agreeing with something Kevin Myers says WTF, it *must* be end of days.
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/kevin-myers-another-reason-to-hang-our-collective-heads-in-mortification-3295314.html
I agreed with him as well. The world has gone mad.
Balls to Monty – the world has always been an open-air asylum, but now we have the means and language to analyse ourselves as a species and deduce the consequences of our words and actions/inactions. Turns out the gods don’t curse us for stealing their fire/ eating fruit / climbing mountains. Stuff happens in statistically likely ways and frequencies, that is all.
The next Irish Trade mission to India will be very interesting I’d say.
If only humans were that nice. Business is business. This is a tiny blip on the radar.
Those in glasshouses shouldn’t throw stones. India recorded 57,000 maternal deaths in 2010. Women die on the streets while giving birth in India due to the uneven distribution of wealth and the disgraceful way the Indian governement treat the dalits. I think it’s a disgrace what happened to Savita Halappanavar and I hope abortion is legislated for but come on India! Perhaps you should look at your own disgraceful treatment of pregnant women throughout India
+1
To be fair, they can angry about more than one thing. Fr’instance, I’m angry about the Catholic Church’s undue influence over Irish law. I’m also angry with the government for failing to legislate for over 22 years. I’m also pretty ticked at the hike in public transport fares.
I looked up the BJP on Wikipedia (extensive resarch self pat on back) and thought their description made them sound rather a lot like Fianna Fail/Fine Gael. I like the irony.
“The Bharatiya Janata Party … is one of the two major political parties in India, the other being the Indian National Congress. Established in 1980, it is India’s second largest political party in terms of representation in the parliament and in the various state assemblies. The Bharatiya Janata Party advocates Hindu nationalism and social conservatism, self-reliance, social justice, foreign policy driven by a nationalist agenda, a strong national defense and a more economically liberal fiscal policy to that of the democratic socialist Indian National Congress”
Maybe not exactly. Not Hindu, obviously.
What does a Hindu?
Lay eggs
Iggs.
I’m meant to be there next week – will be interesting to see how the story is seen from their side, and how big a story it is.
A
from Fine Gael press office “FG TD and Minister of State, Brian Hayes, to launch the Festival of Lights (Indian Diwali Celebration)”
BJP is a sinn fein/ fianna fail type party of cynical populism and nationalism aimed at the base desires of morons.
India has a few of its own problems when dealing with young women such as bride burning.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowry_death
Im pretty sure thats illegal. As was giving Savita an abortion. Theres the difference
8000 brides burnt last year. There’s another difference.
BJP and Sinn Fein – not so different.
Who gives a shit about what a handful of blowhards from a nuclear triggered nation where a disgusting caste system, bride-burning and people dying on the street from poverty is a tourist photo op put on their placards?