78 thoughts on “Tonight In Dublin

  1. Halem

    Enough already! Why are people so eager and excited to have a “choice” whether to kill a babies or not? Blood lust. If you killed a month old baby you’d be done for murder. Same should apply to the unborn living babies who have a right to life. They have a right to choose too. What happened to Sevita was a tragedy and a disgrace but enough with abortion jamborees.

    1. Frodo Baggins

      Well I’m converted.

      The words of wisdom spoken here this evening have turned me against my wicked ways of wanting to prevent death and health problems for women.

      Thank you, you should get into politics. I’d vote for you. In fact i think the entire country would. Very persuasive.

    2. Munkifisht

      Down with this sort of thing, careful now. Aren’t you some muppet? People are protesting because we have had 20 years of apathy from the government since the ruling on the X-Case. This has nothing to do with Pro-Choice and the ironically named Pro-Life (ironic considering what happened to Sevita). That foetus (not a baby, that’s something different) in Sevita’s case was certain to miscarry, no life was ever going to be saved by not treating her.

      And on the issue of choice, mate, open your eyes, your living in something called a democracy. If the people want choice, they should get it. The government works for us, we pay them.

      *Oh Massive ass faceslap

    3. realPolithick

      Her name is Savita Halappanavar. Savita! If you’re going to come on here and be a prick. At least get the woman’s name right!

    4. Jeremy Kyle

      Nobody here has a blood lust for killing babies.

      Well, I might, but I’m pretty sure nobody else here does.

      1. Rachel

        ah yeah but if we get abortions here in Ireland we will all go mad for the killing of babies. Isnt that what is all about after all? Its not about having a choice to make a massive life altering decision to have an abortion. Its about the blood lust that we are all suppressing for the killing of babies.

    5. patrickcresham

      I agree. would such a big deal have been made if she was irish?

      and why is the husbands opinion held in such high regard?

      1. JamesElBooks

        I’d say the husbands opinion is held in such high regard because:
        A: He was there, and the only one who was there who is legally and ethically allowed to speak about what happened.
        B: He has the biggest vested interest in seeing the truth come out and justice being served,
        and finally C: His wife is dead, his entire life has been torn apart, and this may have all been preventable. His opinion on the matter is probably the most important one in this whole matter, because unlike politicians and the HSE, at the end of the day he will never be able to put aside what happened to his family at the hands of a backward and barbaric medical system which can be found virtually nowhere else in the western world.

      2. cluster

        His opinion is being held in such high regard being he has needlessly lost his wife in an Irish hospital and he has reacted in a brave, dignified but proactive way. He helped break the story because for two weeks afterwards he got no answers from the HSE.

        Arguably such a big deal would not have been made if she was Irish which is partly why I respect his action so much. He is, hopefully, helping to improve the situation for all Irish people.

    6. dylad

      Yeah, I think you are on to something…I thought all those women marching were baby killers, overcome with blood lust too. Get real.

  2. Linda

    Let me be the first to congratulate you on being the worlds biggest gobshite. Your post does not deserve a response.

    1. Pigeon Street

      A big congratulations also on the most misinformed post EVER. These Anti-Choicers continue to astound me every day with their blinkered thinking.

  3. atswimtwoturds

    It’s the third protest in Dublin. The first one happened last Wednesday evening, the march at the weekend was the second.

  4. Parp

    Ah for f*ck’s sake, I better not be waiting all night for my poxy bus. Some of us have homes to go to after a long day at work.

    1. Bangalore

      So did I, but I went to the protest instead because its a bit more important than getting home for dinner

  5. Noname

    In my opinion people should not have the right to choose abortion as a contraceptive. People should have the right to an abortion if their life is in danger. There is a difference and I hope I’m not the only one with this opinion.

    1. Ella

      “Abortion as a contraceptive” isn’t a thing. It doesn’t even make any sense linguistically. By definition, abortion happens after conception.

  6. Bony Emm

    The panorama picture from outside Dicey’s on Tuesday night should be the ‘before’ and tonight’s panorama shout should be the ‘after’.

  7. Halem

    When is killing a “right” or a “choce”? What happened to Savita was completely unnecessary and stupid but lets not hijack the tragedy, lets learn from it and not repeat it in the future but its not an excuse to turn the killing of those without a voice into a form of contraception..

    1. Rachel

      you are very ignorant or have a very low opinion of women to think any woman would see something as harrowing as abortion as a form of contrception. Its a massive decision that every woman should have the right to decide for herself.

      1. Gickerface

        +1 The choice should be made available for women. We should have a right to decide. How dare you call it a ‘contraceptive’. I will decide when I want a family. I will go overseas if I have to and join the 12 women who have to travel abroad daily for this procedure because our government ignores the issue. Irish women will (and are) have abortions. Sorry to burst you delusional bubble of bullshit. You either make it safe and available or you put our lives in danger.

          1. woesinger

            You think you have a right over a woman’s body because you made her pregnant?
            How very medieval of you.

          2. ciaran

            Unlikely, since that would require you to briefly stop yourself masturbating furiously to images of priests touching children.

    2. cluster

      You are right, an undeveloped foetus does not have a voice but it also cannot feel pain nor can it survive independent of the mother. It is not a person.

    3. catherine

      Okay, as a member of Galway Pro-choice I’m gonna let you in on a little something. Savita’s friends CAME TO US on the 3rd of November before the story even went public. They explained the facts of the case as far as they knew them and also requested our assistance in deciding how to proceed. They also placed us in contact with Praveen via email and later by telephone. We provided him with a number of options, including not telling the story at all. Praveen continually expressed his wish to go public because he fully believes that his wife’s wishes for a termination should have been respected, and had they been, it probably would have saved her life. We then placed him in contact with the Irish Times, and the rest is history.

      We did not hijack his suffering to further our cause. Praveen wants the same thing we do; For this to never happen ever again to any woman. Before you start accusing us of being self serving monsters, get your facts straight first.

  8. Paulm

    I agree – why are people so stupid – tragedy related to medically necessitated abortion = lets bring in no questions asked abortion. No! Use contraception for contraception. Not trolling.

    1. Always Wright

      I have punctuated your comment so that it makes sense.

      I agree – why are people so stupid – tragedy related to medically necessitated abortion = “lets bring in no questions?” asked abortion. No! Use contraception for contraception. Not trolling.

      Well, it makes more sense than the original.

  9. UmBongo

    Was wondering how long it would take for the choice brigade to hitch their wagon to this tragedy and use it to further their own cause. We (quickly) need legislation for medical emergencies, once the abortion crowd start sticking their oar in it’ll only drag out proceedings.

    1. droid

      I cant tell if this is some dark abortion based pun fest or just the confused mutterings of a simpleton.

      If the former – bravo. If the latter – boo!

    2. cluster

      ‘We (quickly) need legislation for medical emergencies.’

      The only reason we don;t have this legislation is because the ‘pro-life’ lobby has fought against it.

    3. Jess

      Here’s a medical emergency for you:

      ‘Oh god I have something growing inside of me! I don’t want that in there!’

          1. Woahtherehorsey

            I don’t know for sure, because I have no association with the pro-life lobby, but I’d say there’s a teeeny weeny possibility that one of their concerns about the potential legalisation of abortion in Ireland would be a concern about the sort of flippant/juvenile attitude you’ve expressed here.

            I think that most people on the pro-choice side would hope that, in the event that ‘the choice’ had to be made by a woman, she would make that choice based on mature consideration of the situation, as opposed to the sort of wisdom you’ve presented above.

        1. Ella

          @Woahtherehorsey

          To be honest, I think that the insistence on rational and detached pondering over the abortion question as the only legitimate response unfairly denies the visceral body horror that a lot of women feel about the idea of forced pregnancy.

          I can (and am willing to) engage with you in debate about the ethics of abortion in the abstract all day. We might even all change our minds on some really interesting philosophical questions about the nature of life and sentience.

          But the bottom line is that if I became pregnant next week, I would be on the first boat to England. And if I couldn’t afford the trip, I would risk buying abortificants online even knowing the dangers. Because it would be the lesser of two evils for me.

          Make it as high-minded a debate as you like, but acknowledge that there’s an affective element to this – a completely human (though in this particular case specifically female) horror at being denied bodily autonomy.

          1. Woahtherehorsey

            Jess, you’re changing the nature of the discussion significantly and attempting to qualify your initial flippant comment by the late addition of the concept of ‘forced pregnancy’.

            Up to this point, you talked only of ‘something growing inside me’, without reference to coercion of any sort.

            Could you please clarify what you define as ‘forced pregnancy’? I could make some obvious assumptions as to what the definition might be, but I’d prefer to hear your definition.

            Again, I consider myself to be a confused neutral on this topic, but a neutral who is baffled by how black & white various individuals on both sides of the debate seem to find such a complex issue and how easily they throw out ill-considered comments on the topic.

          2. Woahtherehorsey

            Apologies, my comment to Jess should have been directed to Ella. Please disregard.

            Comment to Ella:

            Ella, you’re changing the nature of the discussion significantly and effectively qualifying the initial flippant comment by the late addition of the concept of ‘forced pregnancy’.

            Up to this point, the discussion was centred around the issue of ‘something growing inside me’, without reference to coercion of any sort.

            Again, I consider myself to be a confused neutral on this topic, but a neutral who is baffled by how black & white various individuals on both sides of the debate seem to find such a complex issue and how easily they throw out ill-considered comments on the topic.

        2. Ella

          Sorry – threading here making things a bit tricky.

          By ‘forced pregnancy’ I just mean the idea of being pregnant when one doesn’t want to be, and not having the option to stop it. I wasn’t being specific about how the pregnancy came about. My point was to draw attention to the fact that there’s a body-horror element that’s not being addressed when mandating that we take the dry philosophical tack on these things.

          1. Woahtherehorsey

            In the context of the original comment ‘there’s something growing inside me! I don’t want that there!’, I have to say, I’m struggling with ‘body horror’, particularly if you’re not implying that the notional pregnancy occurred through some negative experience.

            If it comes to a mature, considered decision to terminate a pregnancy, I don’t know where body-horror sits on the reasonability scale, especially given that we’re talking about what is generally considered to be a naturally occuring thing. Body Horror with illness or injury I get, To use ‘body horror’ as a rationalisation of a fairly definitive and conclusive solution like abortion seems to me to be stretching things a bit.

            I’ve known a lot of women who’ve been pregnant and I’ve been close friends with a number of women who had abortions. I’ve been aware of various reasons, which necessitated the abortions – financial, young age, etc, but ‘body horror’ is a new one on me. That said, I’m not a woman, so I’m poorly qualified to talk about it.

  10. Wayne.F

    I was so miserable after Prime Time tonight that I had to turn on Anchorman!

    I hope he gets justice & this is a turning point

    1. Mick Flavin

      I wasn’t quite fully depressed after it, so I looked at the twitter hashtag for Prime Time for a while afterwards. I’m getting there, but just to lock the darkness in, I’m going to go read the comments on the Journal for an hour.

    2. Mani

      Well, he got his old job back at the end, after saving Veronica Morningstone in the zoo. So I guess that’s a happy ending.

  11. LovelyJoe

    I clicked on the link for the story in thejournal.ie because of the headline “Unsolicited’ abortion-related calls being made to Irish phones”. I thought that maybe the story being reported would be less creepy and or sickening than the one I was imagining. I was wrong. Geeeebus. Does anyone else have info on this?

  12. Eamonn Clancy

    Morning after pulls should be available in toilets like condoms. It may help some people while we’re in this quagmire.

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