41 thoughts on “They’re Mad, Karl

  1. Sido

    “The worst thing about the Irish is that they become corruptible as soon as they stop being peasants and turn bourgeois.” – priceless

      1. Sido

        If we neglect the notion that Marx & Engels were Paddy bashing. – Then the only thing that comes to mind is the lack of Coal and Steel in Ireland that made Industrialisation immensely difficult/impractical
        I don’t know – It’s a tricky one.

        1. Anne

          I no historian Sido but I think any industrialisation was squashed back then in favour of farming due to rents yielded from the ‘peasants’.
          Peasants.. bourgeoisie.. funny terms for people really.

        2. Sido

          No – my point is that Industrialisation could not happen. It required Coal (and Steel).
          Nowadays a lot of “Modern Industry” is just plugged into the ESB. In the Victorian era energy was principally provided by Coal. If you weren’t sitting on the stuff, you didn’t have Industry.
          As for the “funny terms” used to define social groups – Nowadays we use things like B+ and C- . It probably amounts to the same thing.

          1. Anne

            Sido, Belfast at that time was industrialized and had become an integral part of the industrial North of Britain.

            Never heard of B’, C- except in terms of exam grades.

          2. Tadhg

            Ireland remained largely unindustrialised due to heavy lobbying/protectionism by English industrialists in the British parliament. An industrialised Ireland with cheap cheap labour would have been disasterous to the english economy.

    1. South of North

      There’s no such thing as the Marxist Society of Ireland. Also, why is this supposed to be noteworthy now? It’s was published decades ago and is well known to historians, scholars and Marxists. You’d have to be profoundly ignorant to not know about this.

      1. Hank

        You’re absolutely right – profoundly ignorant. Although I didn’t already know this and I am at worst only semi-profoundly ignorant.
        But you’re definitely right. And not in any way a tw*t. Despite what others may claim. Surprisingly often..

        1. South of North

          Yes, how gauche of me to suggest that this site should have higher news values than a blog posting “Oh, look at this thing!”, “Oh, look at that thing!”. My mistake.

        1. Anne

          That’s to you South of North. How the broadsheet lads don’t say get stuffed we’ll post what we want from WHENEVER, shows a lot of reserve. (or maybe they just ignore the trolls).

      2. Anne

        Just one more thing. This statement is so beyond stupid it’s embarassing – ” It’s was published decades ago and is well known to historians, scholars and Marxists. You’d have to be profoundly ignorant to not know about this”
        You admit it’s well known to historian, scholars and Marxists. Are you suggesting that anyone who isn’t a historian, scholar or Marxist is ignorant?
        Moron.

        Also, to suggest that because something was published decades ago already, doesn’t make it worthy of discussion makes YOU pretty ignorant.

        Off back to your bridge.

        1. South of North

          Actually I was simply pointing out that it isn’t news. People who care about such things know about it, people who don’t don’t, but it still lacks novelty, which is the key factor in news. While you’re on your high horse defending this website, perhaps you can explain to me what qualities a piece of information must have to become a post here? Internet memes? Dick jokes? Mawkish sentimentality? Self-righteous anger at the Irish Times? Faux rebelliousness? Detached irony?

          Discussion? Here? You’re really out on a limb now.

          I particularly love how I’m a “troll” because I don’t agree with you. Interesting definition.

          1. Anne

            Dick jokes. Definitely! Whoohoo.

            Do any historians have any sites that might be of the calibre you want? Why don’t you bugger off there then?

            ” but it still lacks novelty, which is the key factor in news”.. Christ on a f*cking bike.
            It’s not ‘news’.. it’s archived correspondence. Duh.

          2. Sido

            @ South of North – You might find the article to be mindless shite, Though I’m sure I speak for the majority of mindless morons who use Broadsheet, when I say I find it reasonably interesting.
            As for your critique of Broadsheet – And you certainly manage to list quite a few of the negatives – fair play.
            It nevertheless remains the case that it has a broad spectrum of followers.
            And more to the point. And I say this with deep regret – no one has bettered it yet.

        2. SDaedalus

          @South of North

          A lot of what is in the mainstream media, even in art, history publications etc., isn’t news in the sense you use of something new… quite a lot of it is rediscovering for readers things that might have been forgotten by all except experts, sometimes those things may give a new perspective through which to look at the news proper of the day, sometimes they may just get people thinking.

          I really enjoyed this post, made me think and inspired me to look further at some of the things mentioned in it. No historian I, though most people who read the history bits in the newspapers aren’t either. I never read the newspaper bits on the stuff I do have expertise in, because I know it already. I still think it’s important it’s in there though, for those who don’t.

          It’s great you have aspirations for Broadsheet… why not state/send in your ideas as to what it should be and see what happens?

          1. soundmigration

            I think Conor mc Cabe take was that Ireland served a function within the British state, one aspect of which was providing cattle, meat and ‘value added goods’ which were exported into the UK how had lots of coal etc.

            Not saying that very well, bit hungover. I would recommend a read of Conors “Sin Of The Father”

            @South of North. read some Gramsci dear boy….

  2. Rob

    Ah come on now. The English weren’t that bad! Sure wouldn’t we better off if they came back to take over the show again?

    1. Formerly known as @ireland.com

      Can we have an Irish version of Godwin’s Law – for when someone posts that we would be better off under the Brits (whether said sarcastically or not)?

  3. spider

    My, brother, knows, Karl Marx,
    He met him eating mushrooms in the peoples park,
    He said ‘What do you think about my manifesto?’
    ‘I like a manifesto, put it to the test-o.’….

  4. Jimbo

    Could have been written last week, just replace tax money with land cultivation and banks with landlords. Heh.

  5. Anne

    @soundmigration. RE:
    “I think Conor mc Cabe take was that Ireland served a function within the British state, one aspect of which was providing cattle, meat and ‘value added goods’ which were exported into the UK how had lots of coal etc”

    Marx April 9th 1870 –
    “Ireland is the bulwark of the English landed aristocracy. The exploitation of that country is not only one of the main sources of the aristocracy’s material welfare; it is its greatest moral strength. It, in fact, represents the domination of England over Ireland. Ireland is therefore the great means by which the English aristocracy maintains its domination in England itself”

  6. Catherine

    That made me laugh. Good old Engels hit the nail right on the head. It’s sad to say that not much has changed in the decades since this was published.

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