To The Pitchforks

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Kerry county councillor Danny Healy Rae.

Tombstone-toothed purveyor of common sense.

Or lawless redneck.

YOU decide.

Kerry Council Passes Drink-Drive Permit Motion (RTE)

Interview Danny Healy Rae (Newstalk)

Meanwhile, how that permit will look:

(James M Chimney)

165 thoughts on “To The Pitchforks

          1. DaithiF

            The part where we avoid making sweeping, obnoxious, attention-seeking comments and cherish people who have a mentality larger than a crumb.

            I’m from Wicklow numb nuts.

      1. Tim

        I’ve lived in both Dublin and Kerry for long periods of time, and I have met idiots and clever and every kind in between in both counties.

  1. cousinjack

    Why oh why do the people of kerry elected these fools,
    do they have some fetish for embarassment and humiliation

    1. funman

      The Healy-Raes a very astute politicians. Anyone who thinks for one minute that they are fools will find themselves bettered by them. I did some business with Michael a few years ago, and I got the impression that his public persona is a bit of an act – guaranteed media exposure.

    2. Bubba Top Mop

      He wasnt elected to the council.

      He was co-opted.

      So given that no-one in Kerry even voted for him, maybe you would like to retract your statement?

    1. Bob

      As dumb as they were for voting in Bertie, they didn’t vote in every member of his family they could find.

        1. Clampers Outside!

          I am too. Dublin South Central according to my constituency. I love the place and have lived there nearly half my life so I can take this piss out of it (I hope) without offence.

          Tommy is being a bit precious, me thinks.

  2. smoothlikemurphys

    Out of 27 councillors:

    5 voted for
    3 against
    7 abstained
    12 didn’t show up for the vote

    Of the 5 that voted for, 3 are publicans (Michael O’Shea, Michael Cahill and Bobby O’Connell)

    F**k. That.

    1. Grammercop

      You’re forgetting Healy Rae is a publican too.

      T’was his brother suggested we drop the ’13′ from our car reg plates this year, so they’re probably moving into car sales too. There’s nothing like pissed drivers writing off their fleets for upping the motor sales.

    2. IDB

      Didn’t show up? So, I assume they’ll be given their notice for failing to turn up to work.

      Oh wait…

    3. Rumpleforeskin

      “A number of the councillors who passed the motion are publicans, but Mr Healy-Rae denied that the councillors’ professions influenced the vote.” – So funny…

    4. noddyseus

      If the number of absentee voters proves anything, it’s that we absolutely need drink-driving permits, so that in future all councillors can attend such important meetings.

    1. Mikeyfex

      Facing jail time for a suggestion? Really now. That suggestion is every bit as ridiculous as Healy Rae’s suggestion.

    1. Del McG

      No, it passed 5-3 with 7 abstentions and 12 councillors not even bothering to show up. Of the 5 who voted in favour, 4 of them are publicans.

      1. cluster

        So 19 of 27 councillors either didn’t have an opinion or didn’t have the balls to vote. Shocking.

  3. Hilton Sicliar

    Are these drink driving licenses only legal in Kerry or can I wreck the gaff with impunity over in D6 also?

    1. IDB

      No, it’s not for you city people!
      It’s to stop the inequality that means rural people can’t do what they want.

  4. Stephen

    This is a crazy, dangerous suggestion that hasn’t got a snowballs chance in hell of being looked at by the govt. I must admit though that I felt a little sympathy for the people he was talking about on the radio. Not him..he sounded like a bit of a tool…but he did paint a fairly stark picture of those who have no way of getting to a pub for some sort of social interaction.
    I’ve never lived more than 5 minutes away from a pub…ever. I can’t imagine what it’s like to be that isolated.

    But just to reconfirm….stupid dangerous idea.

    1. DaithiG

      They can go to the pub and not drink alcohol.

      But then that would cut into the Healy Rae bottom line.

      1. IDB

        I agree with stephen- I feel for the lads. But Healy Rae could buy a minivan and drop them all home.
        Or they could up and move closer to the pub. Or they could set up a community centre where drink isn’t served.
        Or they could organise a designated driver and spend one night a week not drinking.

        These ideas are off the top of my head.

        1. cluster

          Exactly, Healey-Ray and his fellow publicans could ban together to pay for a minivan but that would be money out of their pockets.

        2. mr m

          There is a remote pub in the mountains between Cork & Kerry in the village of Nadd. The woman who used to own it, her name was Bridy, used to own a minibus and would ferry people home or if you were organising a party or the likes, she would collect and run the patrons home afterwards. A great service and better when there would be a lock-in!!!!

        1. cluster

          Nobody drinks as many soft drinks as they do pints.

          Nobody has one Coke and thinks, feck it, I’ll have another.

      2. DaithiF

        Glad to see we’re sticking to the ‘DaithiG’ and ‘DaithiF’ naming conventions.

        Aren’t we polite?

    2. Bejayziz

      They can go to the pub as they feel, there’s a wide variety of non alcoholic beverages…the very suggestion that they develop depression from not having a pint is ludicrous, i’m still baffled…this is embarrassing!

      1. Tim

        People in rural areas should be entitled to have an alcohol beverage while socialising in a bar as much as someone living in a city or town, to suggest rural people should only stick to non-alcohol is ludicrous. The real issue here is getting them home safely, after having a few pints, like people in cities and towns are able to do.

        1. cluster

          There are adantages and disadvantages to every location.

          If I said that city people are every bit as entitled to no traffic and some of the world’s most beautiful scenery as rural people are would that make sense?

        2. IDB

          I agree. But at the same time, you can’t live in an idyllic rural location AND expect the same amenities found in towns & cities. We all have to make compromises.

          1. Tim

            Sorry, entitled was the wrong word to use. In my opinion, people in country areas like a few pints while socialising like most people in this country. A few pints is good social lubrication for a lot of people. It is an accepted and widespread social behaviour in this country. I’m not talking about going out and getting langered. All I am saying is that they should be catered for and it is an issue that should be addressed. I also think that communities should organise something themselves to suit their community and it shouldn’t be a burden on the state, or at least be done in conjunction with the county council on a none loss basis for the council. It should not be a case of, sure ye live in the countryside, tough sh!t. Issues like this can be overcome with some thought and work.

    1. mr m

      “Madonna modeled her gap on this fella.”

      That’s funkin hilarious, I just re read it and spotted it hahahahahahahaha

  5. Jay

    Chicken – sh*t Councillors, afraid of voting no and not be re-elected or voting yes and be seen as a moron. I suppose the Kerryman legend was true after all?

      1. Nigel

        At a guess the borderline racist one that suggests they’re inbred rednecks. We do like our regional racism.

          1. Nigel

            I believe they’re Irish and they live in Kerry, so the attitude seems to be that they’re a sort of sub-race. I dunno. ‘Prejudice’ seems too grand a word for the small-mindedness of it. ‘Bigotry’ might be better, but it doesn’t seem mean enough. ‘Ugly provincialism’ is probably accurate but it’s a bugger to type out. Either way, I think you know what I mean.

  6. vanman99

    What a stupid waste of time, money and effort, This story is all over the international media, well done, another Healy-Rae to make us all look like backwards drunks, good man…

    Also, just to confirm….stupid dangerous idea.

    1. Del McG

      Copped a hiding a couple of years ago that put him in the hospital, supposedly a dispute over land. He’s like an Aldi Bull McCabe…

  7. Damien Doyle

    I dont see how this could go through as legislation. As soon as one drunk driver with a permit hits someone, the lawyers will sue the state for facilitating this

    1. cluster

      It has zero chance of being adopted.

      It exists purely as a publicity stunt.

      Maybe in the mix of pretend stupidity for which Kerry people are sometimes known, this is an elaborate stunt designed to highlight the weakness of local government in Ireland. *cough*

    1. Mani

      In fairness he couldn’t look more of an inbred stereotype if he was plucking a banjo and asking Ned Beatty to squeal like a piggy.

  8. CuntryBumKin

    But what are we going to do for all those Irish stricken by hurricane sandy is what I want to know.

  9. shel

    Rural isolation is a big issue in that part of the country, the main social outlet for some of these people is the pub. I dont agree with having a 2 tiered drink driving laws but something has to be done. There is NO public transport and a very very limited number of taxi’s that tend not to work during the day only at night.

    1. smoothlikemurphys

      And therein you illustrate the actual issue.

      The inference in this situation is that Rural isolation wouldn’t be an issue (or would be lessened) if people could to go to the pub.

      Newsflash: Nobody is stopping them going to the pub – there’s plenty of non alcoholic drinks on sale that they can safely consume and drive themselves home.

      1. Tim

        People in rural areas should be entitled to have an alcohol beverage while socialising in a bar as much as someone living in a city or town. The real issue here is getting them home safely, after having a few pints, like people in cities and towns are able to do.

        1. Ace Rothstein

          Just because certain people choose (yes, its a free country) to live in rural or urban areas DOES NOT entitle them to anything.

          Living in a city entails much higher prices for rent, stress involved in commuting, noise pollution, light pollution etc. etc. Conversely this means better access to shops, pubs, museums and so on.

          ‘Entitled to an alcoholic drink’ my ar$se.

          1. shel

            And thus brings the demise of Rural Ireland!

            Lets just move everyone who lives there to the city. Rural Depopulation will solve it all!

            There isnt an option for the older generation who like to have 1 or 2 during their day, what does the publican do, leave the pub for 30min or more to drop them home? Thats not really an option.
            Rural pubs are not the same as city pubs they act as ‘community centres’ to the locals many of customers are of the older generation who’s only outlet is this service. (That and mass and the odd GAA match but thats dieing out as all the young people are gone and fielding teams has become another major issue)

          2. smoothlikemurphys

            @Shel – what about carpooling? a group of auld lads go to the pub with an alternating designated driver each time – wouldn’t that solve the issue of rural isolation?

            Perhaps the poor can craturs can only find sweet relief from their isolation when there’s alcohol involved for everyone?

          3. Tim

            OK, let’s forget about entitlement. People in country areas like a few pints while socialising like most people in this country. My previous response was to your suggestion that they can go to the pub and not drink alcohol and then drive home. I’m sorry but for a lot of people that is an awful evening out. A few pints is good social lubrication for a lot of people. It is an accepted and widespread social behaviour in this country. I’m not talking about going out and getting langered. All I am saying is that they should be catered for and it is an issue that should be addressed. I also think that communities should organise something themselves to suit their community and it shouldn’t be a burden on the state, or at least be done in conjunction with the county council on a none loss basis for the council. It should not be a case of, sure ye live in the countryside, tough sh!t. Issues like this can be overcome with some thought and work. Anyway at least I’m not going to condemn them to the life that you think they should have. As for some of the urban issues you raised. I hope they improve for city folk too.

        2. cluster

          No they shouldn’t. Drinking in a pub isn’t some inalienable right.

          If you do want to, find a way.
          Organise a rotating designated driver with your friends.
          Pressurise the publican to buy a minibus.

    2. D

      If you don’t want rural isolation then live in a city. I’m not being facetious. We all make choices, I live in a city.There are downsides and upsides to that choice same as living in the countryside. One of the downsides of the countryside is that lower population density means it’s not possible to provide equal level of services with the cities.

    3. General Waste

      So Danny and his fellow publicans should put on a minibus service like other rural publicans up and down the country do.

    4. colmahhh

      If there is demand for it, they will work.

      The Healy Raes really know how to make a fool of a country.

    5. cousinjack

      tough shit, don’t live there.
      Live in villages and other groupings of dwellings like normal people

      1. Sido

        Some of the excess money collected from the Property Tax levied on Dubs, could be used to provide taxi’s and minibuses for rural dwellers, so that they could occasionally get out and socialise.

        1. Tim

          I think they should add 10% to the price of a LUAS ticket to subsidise rural pub-run transport. In return collect your LUAS tickets and when on holidays in Kerry you get 10% off the price of a pint. Everyone’s a winner.

        2. cluster

          I take it this is a joke. ‘Specially considering Dubs and other urban dwellers are goign to be punished by the means of evaluating property tax for living in towns even though it would be better to punish the one-off country housebuilders.

          1. cousinjack

            yep make those who already pay most tax and cost the government least pay more to subsidise those who contribute least and cost most (whilst they despoil the environment)

            guardians of the countryside, another of the grand irish lies

  10. Tim

    I live in Kerry and it isn’t a good solution to the problem. But there is a problem. There are a lot of very rural areas and rural isolation is a real issue. I do think communities should not be depending on councils and help themselves and organise some kind of shared transport system in conjunction with publicans. The owner of my local bar drives home some of the regulars every night, sometimes having to make two runs. I suspect the Kerry County Council vote is a bit of cuteness. They know it won’t become law but it has brought it back to the fore in the media.

    1. D

      What services would you like to be cut to make room in the budget to provide transport for people to go and have pints?

      1. Tim

        Communities should organise amongst themselves something that suits their area, wether that’s a few locals willing to share driving their neighbours or mini-bus hire. Rural transport has been talked about for ages, I can’s see something being done about that in this economic climate.

  11. teal

    same fellas who i remember suggesting that the smoking ban would cause elderly pub goers to get “pneumonia, as they are forced to go outside for a cigarette”. tragic logic!

  12. sean

    1. If I were Kerry Gardai, I’d be sitting outside the pubs of these Councillors/Publicans breathalising anyone getting into a car
    2. The law is there for a reason, the safety of people on the roads and the drivers, this doesn’t change because you don’t live in the middle of a city.
    3. What constitutes a quorum at County Council Meetings?
    4. I’d have these people in front of a review for voting in the interests of their private businesses, whether they mean to or not, this is potentially corruption as they personally benefit from an attempt to pass a law.
    5. How do the people of Kerry feel about how their elected officials are spending their time?
    6. Let’s have an interview with these clowns the next time someone is killed by a driver who has 2, 2 or 3, 3 at the most pints in them.
    7. It’s kinda ridiculous that in 2013 anyone is trying to “bring to the fore” whether or not drunk driving is a good idea.

    1. cousinjack

      Guards enforcing the law
      not in this Country and especially not in the country
      who knows who the chap might be related to or owed a favour by (don’t want to effect promotion prospects)

  13. Arbs

    Given the man’s unfortunate appearance and the headline, I initially thought this had something to do with Youth Defence!

  14. Lazer specced Bogman

    3 pints and then couple of miles on a back road a few hours later. Really that dangerous?

    1. Glumpy

      Exactly. It isn’t. I don’t know what all this fuss is about. 3 pints over an evening won’t make you drunk and if you drive slowly and carefully on a quiet road, what’s the problem? I’m not being a troll here. I’m not a publican! I’m certainly not condoning drunk driving. I live in an isolated rural area myself and it’s a rare night I get to the pub these days. If it was legal for me to have 2 or 3 pints and drive home, I could do it without killing anyone on the way. I know how to drive carefully. Surely I’m not the only one. People have more common-sense than they are given credit for. Damn nanny state with their one law fits all.

      1. ah here

        “People have more common-sense than they are given credit for”

        You are not one of them hire a taxi, organise a lift, maybe one of you becomes the designated driver. Maybe go to the pub and have a tea or a glass of coke or something, there are a lot of other options out there. Why don’t you just grow the f**k up drink driving kills fact! Even surprise surprise on rural back roads.

      2. Marty

        Nanny State, ugh, you conservatives are the worst. Look at the facts.

        One in three crash deaths is alcohol-related
        Drink driving offences increased by 74% between 2003 and 2007, from 11,421 to 19,864

        In the period from 2003 to 2005, approximately 120 people were killed each year in alcohol-related crashes
        In the same period, almost one third (31%) of crash deaths were alcohol-related

        Where Blood Alcohol Concentration (BAC) levels were available for drivers killed, almost six out of ten had alcohol in their blood

        One in every six drivers with alcohol in their blood, who were responsible for fatal crashes in 2003, were not above the legal limit

        1. Glumpy

          So if I’ve got my maths right, you’re saying that 1 in every 10 drivers involved in fatal crashes had alcohol in their blood not above the legal limit. So why are we focussing on 10% of fatalities, and ignoring the 90%? And there must be other factors besides drink in all these cases. In my opinion dangerous driving is far more serious than drink driving. You don’t need to drink to drive dangerously. I see people doing crazy things on the roads every week, not paying attention to other road users most likely. Drink driving can be a contributing factor to dangerous driving, of course. I’m just saying there’s some over-reaction here to the notion of driving with mild amts of alcohol, that’s all.

          1. Nigel

            Drink driving is a subset of dangerous driving. Driving drunk is inherently dangerous. Oh, of course, YOU’D be all right with just three pints in you. YOU’D go slow along the back roads. You know who else would? Every f*ucking drunk driver ever.

          2. Glumpy

            I meant to say “the notion of careful driving”. I can’t stress the “careful” enough. If everyone drove carefully (you know, constantly expect the car in front to jam on the brakes, or kids to jump out from between parked cars, be ready to stop in an instant) we’d have way less fatalities on the roads.

          3. sean

            Glumpy you can have as many pints as you want, so long as you’re not over the limit when you get behind the wheel.

            Add to that, you might have a higher tolerance to alcohol than someone else who has three pints and gets behind the wheel. The limit is so low because it’s deemed to be the highest amount that anyone can drive having consumed without being impaired. What do you expect them to do? Give everyone a few cans and send them out for a few laps in Mondello just to try them out?

            You might be a safe driver, but your ability to react is impaired after drinking. If someone hits glass in front of you and blows out a tire you are more likely to hit them, if a deer or something else jumps out and you hit it you’re less able to deal with it.

            It’s the law for a reason, not to annoy rural drinkers who don’t want to stay dry in a bar for a night.

          4. Nigel

            ‘Drinking’ is inimical to ‘careful driving.’ As are other things, but it’s slightly staggering to find that ‘drinking’ is a controversial one.

          5. Glumpy

            I’m not taking the piss. I didn’t think my comments would go down well here, but I just think the overall focus should be on dangerous driving rather than on drink driving and I thought someone should make that point. I don’t drink and drive myself, let me make that clear, but I do think I’d be fine if I did. Maybe my mistake here is assuming other people would be as responsible as me. When I got my first car my Dad sat me down and said “You can kill someone with that thing if you’re not careful.” I’ve never forgotten that.

          6. Nigel

            There IS a massive ongoing campaign about dangerous driving operating in this country and you CAN be arrested for dangerous driving and you CAN report people for dangerous driving in its many and varied and sometimes terrifyingly concurrent forms (I’ve done it myself) BUT this thread is focused on drink driving because that is the subject under discussion so to suggest that YOU are oh so concerned about dangerous driving and not so much about drink driving (‘Never done it but I think I’d be fine?’ F**king REALLY?) because everyone is discussing drink driving on a thread about drunk driving and this makes you the responsible one is, at best, downright obtuse.

      3. Rod

        a friend in work had a young daughter killed due to a drunk driver and who wasn’t very much over the limit, it happened over 15 years ago, he still randomly bursts into tears about it and on every anniversary, it has destroyed him, permanently. Under this new proposal this kind of drinking practice would be ok… Let’s ask him shall we, and see if he agrees with your ideas?

        1. ah herte

          “Maybe my mistake here is assuming other people would be as responsible as me.”

          Now there’s a contradiction. Responsibility does not equal promoting drink driving. Drink driving causes dangerous driving among other factors as well. Just because you are some higher being and can handle your three pints and drive even though you actually, in your words, have never done this, does not mean Jimmy down the road can handle his. To suggest that drink driving is in anyway ok to do under any circumstances is extremely irresponsible.

    2. cluster

      Firstly, yes.

      Secondly, the zero tolerance approach works. It is much easier to send the message that having a drink might have you put off the road than letting people risk it once they’ve had a few pints.

  15. Eddy

    This is gobshitery of the highest caliber but surely this will never actually come to pass. I’m from the country myself and this talk of 2 or 3 pints and driving home on back roads being grand is absolute nonsense. Most of those back-roads are already in a complete state, adding drink to that equation is a terrible idea.

    1. mr m

      It’s easy yes, he’s supposed to be a public representative and his own appearance isn’t great.

      He lines his own pocket out of politics, him and his old man. They get government funds to widen and resurface the roads around kerry and give themselves the contracts with their own machinery!!

      Another (literal) clown is that b0ll1x tax evading pink shirt, long white haired building idiot up the country. He is another public representative that needs a boot up the ar53

  16. Ureii

    I have forwarded a letter to leo varadkar requesting that he should make it illegal to drive on certain roads at night & expand the Killarney Jaunting cars to the whole county of Kerry.

    Scoops?

  17. Cort

    What an absolute insult to anyone injured or the family of anyone killed by a drunk driver. Drink and driving do not mix end of story. The Healy Rae’ are an embarrassment

    1. Tim

      Agreed. But there must also be other questions answered. Why did so many not vote? I can’t believe this is the opinion of the majority of KCC.

  18. ginette

    Having lived down there myself I can understand the isolation,remember these old folk have no internets or sky,must get seriously lonely-like suicide lonely,I used to cycle to the pub but I’m young and it wasn’t far.While allowing drink driving isn’t the solution something should be done for these poor old sods.

  19. Court

    Before I make my sweeping general statement let me say that if you drive over the legal limit you are uninsured. No insurance means its illegal to drive on a public road. Also everyone in rural IReland is drink driving anyway. Do boy racers get an allowance. every morning morning it breaks my heart to hear of a death or a tragedy on country roads. There’s no where in Ineeland where a taxi can’t be called, a lift arranged or where a group can take turns driving. Down the country there’s bad roads, no lighting, speeding, bald tires, mad young fellas and already drink driving.

  20. Justin

    Install breathalisers in their cars that limit them to 10kph if they’re over the limit.
    They can get themselves home, it’ll just ages!

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