Give Them Enough Grope

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A bizarre, lairy, lap-topped encounter in our state parliament during the historic  abortion bill debate.

Consensual harmless fun or something uglier?

Watch then DECIDE.

Stay for the bottom smack.

It’s very icky.

Original Tumblr post

Thanks SH

255 thoughts on “Give Them Enough Grope

  1. DNS

    HOLY. JEBUS.

    So in a debate about womens rights etc we get this 1950s Mad Men-esque display. Just surprised it didnt finish with a pat on the backside and either “Hey, don’t pretend you don’t like it” or a “Hey jiggles, you got fries to go with that shake?”

      1. Mister Mister

        I can only imagine, judging by some of the debate I heard from our great leaders, that some believe that’s how pregnancy happens.

        I bet he’d be quick to legislate for abortion then.

        1. Bangalore

          He quite clearly does. What would you call the bit where he moves his open hand swiftly against he ass/hip? an over enthusiastic wave to her skirt?

          1. cluster

            I agree with Clampers that he doesn’t smack her on the ass. He touches her hip as he helps her get up.

            BUT THAT IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.

            Whether messing between friends, drunken hijinks or outright sexual harrassment, the Dail chamber is not the f***ing place. Why is anybody defending it?

          2. Lorcan Nagle

            Even if he pats her on the hip, that’s still sexual harassment., the crotch, hips and ass, you know, the so-called swimsuit area? Off-limits.

          3. Bangalore

            Now you’re just avoiding the question

            When he raises her hand and places it against the bit between the leg and the back, what do you see happening. Do you see a hand make contact with her body? which part?

            You are just being willfully ignorant at this stage.

          4. Bangalore

            4th time lucky clampers, keep dodging the question.

            Do you see a hand make contact with her body? which part?

          5. Lilly

            He doesn’t smack her on the ass. He actually has BOTH hands on her hips (at the small of her waist) as she stands up and he removes them at the same time.

            You can see it clearly in full screen.

            Either way his hands shouldn’t have been there.

          1. pedeyw

            I have, and you seem to be in the minority here. Bang on ten seconds, his right hand, her right cheek. Its very very easy to see.

        2. AHFFS

          Regardless of hand placement, he grabbed her and sat her down in his lap. I’m so angry at this supposed ‘bad work conduct”, not the place and especially not this particular bill. Highly offensive.

  2. Cool_Hand_Lucan

    Ah sure, it’s only a harmless bit of fun during a vote where women’s lives hang in the balance. Well done lad, your constituents must be very proud.
    On an unrelated note I think TDs should be breathalysed before being allowed cast their votes in the Dail chambers.

  3. Am I Still on This Island

    I, em, eh no F*#k it there are no words to describe how stupid some TD’s are

  4. Toe Subh

    Well if they’d closed the bar Mr there wouldn’t be full of paddy and peppermint.
    Like a scene from Copper Face Dáil Chambers.

  5. Formerly known as @ireland.com

    Shur, with the country having nothing serious to deal with, it is only natural that the TDs will get bored.

    1. Anne

      Yes, cos that is the only problem here, the timing.
      Of course that is not how you intended your remark to be read…. is it?

    1. Bat For Snatches

      The Brits have a bar for each party and a public bar.

      If they want to lead here and ban alcohol companies advertising as sports events well they should get their own house in order. They bring school tours in there I believe.

    2. Atticus

      I don’t see the problem with having a bar on site for having a drink “after” work, but to have a few scoops while making such important decisions is just wrong on so many levels.

      1. Bat For Snatches

        There are two bars, a public one for “invited guests” and a members bar for members – they have The Racing Channel HD in there.

      1. cluster

        And they have had many similar incidents.

        Seriously, if they can’t be trusted not to act like this, the bar should be closed.

        1. Sgt. Bilko

          It’s not as though they’d have go very far from the premises for a scatter of pints. Doheny & Nesbitt’s is already packed with pinstriped shysters and scumbags, sure they’d be right at home up there.

          1. Advertising On Police Cars

            I was in Kennedy’s Westland Row and O’Reilly was their swilling pints with his minions, gobshites the lot of them, all laughing at his anecdotes.

          2. Medium Sized C

            Imagine it, a grown man, having a laugh with some other people, IN A PUB!.

            Feckin bastards the lot of them.

  6. Bat For Snatches

    That FOI terminator lad should do an FOI and find out how much gargle is on the members slates in there.

    And

    If they sell jäger bombs.

    1. Daffyd

      They don’t have shot glasses in the public bar anyway. I was in there one time and asked for sambucas, which were given to me in brandy glasses.

  7. Pablo Pistachio

    Wait, this is acceptable behaviour in the workplace now? Brilliant, I’m off to smack some bottoms and do a bit of groping. Sure the women love it don’t they…don’t they?
    Not sure who the TD is, but would he really be missed from the Dail? An idiot, during such an important night of voting too, I’m hoping that he’s already been reported.

    1. Richie

      Him and about another 50-60 could go and we’d still be over-represented (in proportion to population). But then we’d be in danger of dipping below our quota of “political dynasty/one of the lads” TDs.

      1. cluster

        The size of parliament is apparently best chosen to allow a sufficient pool to draw a cabinet from rather than purely by head of population. Otherwise say the likes of Iceland would have a tiny parliament.

        130 is the minimum size I have heard quoted, which would allow us trim 36 from the current numbers.

        1. Daffyd

          What’s this? A considered comment about how we should approach institutional design? That’s dangerous talk around here, Cluster.

          (Thank you!)

        2. Gav

          the cabinet does not have to be drawn from the Dail. anybody can be appointed to a cabinet position by the government of the day. just because we don’t do that (because there are plenty of TD boys that need Jobs and we couldn’t change the status quo). So Dail size is not linked to government size which is not linked to appointing cabinet members

          1. Mani

            Can somone contact your owners and let them know they left you with no water AGAIN in this heat?

  8. blueswannabe

    And yet it’s Mick Wallace’s shirt they claim is “inappropriate”!

    Feckless gobshites.

  9. ReproBertie

    So they tell us they were debating important legislation but now we find out they were just having a lock in?

    Close the Dáil bar.

          1. Sidewinder

            So how is your “they could be good friends” line meant to act as some kind of excuse?

    1. Bangalore

      Yeah sexual harassment is no big deal. I did it to a female colleague and totally didn’t get the sack.

        1. Jandals

          Slapping someone on the butt at work would be considered sexual harrassment. Lorcan nails it on the head below.

        2. Bangalore

          In absolutely no circumstances is grabbing a female colleague and slapping their hip/ass acceptable behaviour in the work place. It doesn’t matter the slightest if they know each other, are good mates, or anything.

          I’m good friends with one woman in the office it does not mean I can slap her ass. It demeans her in front of my colleagues, its says that this is appropriate behaviour and most importantly, its 2013 and your voting on fundamental rights for women.

          The mind boggles that anyone would think that this is not a big deal

          1. Lorcan Nagle

            I used to work in the same call centre as my wife. I would never have groped her in the workplace regardless of how we behaved at home because it wasn’t appropriate.

          2. pedeyw

            I’m pretty sure pulling a woman onto your lap constitutes a bit of a grope. but whatever. You’re a strange and creepy man, clampers.

        3. Sidewinder

          I’ll make it simple for you clampers – you do not, ever, in the workplace, drag a woman onto your lap. Ever.

    2. B Bop

      Cork TD’s the pair of them & great chums -well that’s lovely – just no “horseplay” in the Dail at such a seminal (cough) decision process.

    1. Formerly known as @ireland.com

      Our taxes are paying their salaries. We should expect them to be concerned with important State matters, not groping each other.

        1. Lorcan Nagle

          You want to blow off steam, you masturbate or play a computer game or something. You don’t sexually harass a colleague.

          1. pedeyw

            Despite your weird denial of any slap/pat, he still pulls her onto his lap, which could be deemed sexual harassment.
            It seems he has apologised to her and she accepted it but it’s still hugely unprofessional behaviour.

    2. juno

      How do you know this? And that is not really the point anyway. It’s hardly acceptable behaviour in the workplace … and while such a serious debate is underway.

      1. paidi

        How do you know she did? Just seems like hijinks, in every situation some relief is called for, be it comic or otherwise. Handbags.

    3. Laza

      Yes, it looks like she sprang into his lap Paidi! I don’t know if you’ve ever been caught in that moment of ‘harmless fun’, but let me tell you- when a lad grabs you and pulls you unwittingly back onto his lap you’re (a) 100% uncomfortable and (b) raging that you can’t get out until he releases you. This woman clearly decided to sit tight, until he let her go, otherwise there’d be a much more awkward scene to play today and unnecessary attention on her.

      1. paidi

        I didnt see her react in a bad manner. You are reading your own views into something that looks incredibly harmless. Mere hijinks as far as I can see. A real Mrs Lovejoy reaction from you here.

        1. cluster

          This is why most workplaces have strict rules on this sort of behaviour.

          It is very hard for the ‘victim’ to let his/her true feelings known without causing ill-feeling and many put up with atrocious behaviour.

          1. paidi

            You’re doing the lady a disservice here. Shes a strong powerful public representative, if she cant stand up on a matter such as this as you seem to be claiming, then how can she stand up on other such matters?

    4. Lorcan Nagle

      Even if she did enjoy it, which I doubt, it doesn’t make it acceptable workplace behaviour. If you were to do that in an office or wherever, you’d get slapped with a harassment lawsuit in short order.

      But even beyond that, these people are elected officials. They’re meant to set an example and have failed yet again. I’d like to say I’m surprised but it’s par for the course

      1. paidi

        Then let her slap him with a lawsuit if she so wishes, but why are you getting so upset over it? His constituency have the opportunity to vote him out if they feel his behaviour is inappropriate, otherwise this smacks of think of the children type behaviour. They’re adults, I feel confident they can deal with this themselves without me or you interjecting.

        Storm/Teacup. Nice to see they can have a bit of light heartedness amid such a serious subject.

        1. Lights

          You’re the reason why instances like this still occur.

          “Sure it’s all a bit of a laugh, whats the harm?”

          The fact is that these people are elected representatives at the highest position of power in the land. They are debating the most important laws on womens rights in decades, and one male TD grabs (one of the very few) female TDs, pulls her onto his lap and then smacks her arse. The utter stupidity and utter disregard for her diginity is thrown out the window in seconds. She was treated as an object of fun, a ‘silly girl’ to have a grope with. Not as an equal member of parliament.

          The idea if she was ‘up for it’ is a moot point. Here we have a prime example of why at the very highest levels of Irish society women don’t matter as much as men.

          1. Bangalore

            +1000

            This is a prime example of the day to day sexism that some men don’t even notice and can dismiss as a bit of fun.

          2. Paidi

            I wouldn’t have thought so, she replied to my post, it seems quite obvious to me. But thanks for the reply.

        2. Nigel

          Why the feck shouldn’t people get upset over it? Why should we pass through this life in a dull haze of pandering and mediocrity? Why shouldn’t bad things annoy us? Why should you care about our caring?

      1. paidi

        Thanks Mani. Great to see Mr Barry has apologised. Credit to him for being the bigger man in all of this, a mere bit of hijinks taken out of context and its all been put to bed now.

      1. Nigel

        Se didn’t pull out a knife and stab him with the psychotic frenzy of a wronged woman, so she must be all right with it and therefore so should we.

        1. ABM's Bloodied Underwear.

          “Dail authorities now realise that the four female ushers are vulnerable to incident with TDs.

          Rota bosses are now considering putting them on earlier duties. ”

          Another problem resolutely solved.

  10. ciaran Bolger

    If this happened in the normal workplace it would be a clear case of sexual harassment, I am wondering if the Dail bar was closed last night? and even if they were drunk its still no excuse.

    I think that Enda Kenny and the FG party have shown further arrogance by calling this “Just a bit of fun” It is far from fun especially when such a serious topic was being discussed.

    1. NightOwlsNightClub

      Bar was hopping until 1am until last orders.
      PA staff, TDs and invitee guests partied like it was 2006.
      Ushers ushered drunk people through the halls.
      Kehoes and Cafe en Seine got hit next.
      Someone got the ride in the car park.
      Back to the chamber for a vote.
      Groping ensued.

      Fin.

  11. Looking In

    Get this bunch of fools out of power, it’s just insult after insult, to think that’s who gets to decide our future. They do not represent me, do they represent you?

    1. paidi

      Unfortunately for you, thats exactly what they do, represent you. Run next time and represent me if you wish.

  12. Oh me oh my

    erm . . . so quite clearly the female party member reaches out, takes the males hand spins around and sits in his lap laughing. He also laughs. He does not “pull her into his lap”, but is happy to be equally at fault for acting like a clown just as much as her. At the end he touches her right hip. He does not pat her on the ass. There are two people at fault here. It astounds me how people can jump on a bandwagon to brand a man and not a woman . Next people will be saying that abortion isn’t murder.

      1. paidi

        Because it was a woman walking by? Are you saying women shouldn’t be there in the first place?

  13. Roisin

    I find it fascinating that so many comments here revolve around the idea that, “sure, he must’ve had the drink taken” as if that makes it, if not acceptable, at least understandable. Some of you are the sorts who would agree with Judge Martin Nolan that sexual assault is worthy of a wee fine.

    1. cluster

      I’m not sure that anybody thinks that ‘drink taken’ would excuse this behaviour but further indicate a lack of professionalism on the part of the chap involved.

      Getting tipsy and engaging in ‘hijinks’ is ridiculous enough before one even considers the issue of whether this was sexual harrassment or if the two of them had been messing around.

  14. Clampers Outside!

    The Outrage Brigade are out in full on this one Jim… and no one knows the two in the image or how well they know each other.

    Accusations of ‘drink taken’ and stupid questions like ‘would you like it if someone grabbed your penis’. And sweeping statements like Róisín’s above re that fool of a Judge, Nolan.

    FFS people. Wait until you know more.

    1. Lights

      *sigh* copy and pasted from above…

      ——

      You’re the reason why instances like this still occur.

      “Sure it’s all a bit of a laugh, whats the harm?”

      The fact is that these people are elected representatives at the highest position of power in the land. They are debating the most important laws on womens rights in decades, and one male TD grabs (one of the very few) female TDs, pulls her onto his lap and then smacks her arse. The utter stupidity and utter disregard for her diginity is thrown out the window in seconds. She was treated as an object of fun, a ‘silly girl’ to have a grope with. Not as an equal member of parliament.

      The idea if she was ‘up for it’ is a moot point. Here we have a prime example of why at the very highest levels of Irish society women don’t matter as much as men.

        1. Jess

          What are you on about. He quite clearly slaps her. what on earth would you call it?

          do you genuinely not see it or do you think its something else.

          Im genuinely perplexed

          1. Clampers Outside!

            Perplexed? The only reason you are perplexed is because you haven’t watched the video properly.

            He does NOT slap her bum. Full screen the video, slow it down, whatever, just watch it properly… with your eyes, not your mind.

          2. Jess

            Ive seen it, Again.

            So I ask again, what would you call it?

            Or are you avoiding the question because you think it will make you look even stupider?

          3. Jess

            I thought you just said he didn’t slap her bum. But it is still unprofessional conduct?

            And exactly what unprofessional behaviour is she engaging in? Letting herself be pulled into his lap or getting her behind in the way of his hand?

            Stunning logic there. You really are just a chauvanist.

          4. Clampers Outside!

            @Jess

            You’re not even reading before responding are you?

            You have it fixed in your head I said something and you’re going to keep at it until I say whatever it is so you can say ‘Aha!’ or something like that. Go away if you are not going to read the comments.

            It ain’t gonna happen.

        2. Jess

          You must be getting confused about which person calling out your chavanist bull you’re responding to.

          Allow me to summarise for you convenience

          1: You said he didnt slap her bum, to which we have a video showing quiet clearly that he did.

          2: In light of this denial of reality I asked you what you did see and you responded saying Unprofessional conduct by two people. Implying she was also engaged in unprofessional behaviour by being gropped.

          So I ask you again, but not with any expectation you will actually reply, What physical act do you see when he raises his hand and places it on her person? What unprofessional conduct is she engaged in?

          Its quite clear that you are avoiding this question because you know you are wrong. And your blame the victim chauvanism by saying she was engage in unprofessional conduct is just dispicable.

          1. Clampers Outside!

            I have not once avoided any of the questions. This is the last time I’ll answer this

            Your two points:

            1. He didn’t slap her bum. That is clear.

            2. She was not groped. She clasps his hand. He did not pull, drag, force or detain the woman.

            The unprofessional conduct was that two persons engaging in a giggle during important matters of the Dáil.

            Call me a chauvinist if you will. Just know that when someone blatantly refuses to see what is right in front of them I know I am dealing with someone who is determined to stand to the end on an issue already proven to be not the case. And by engaging with you further you just drag me down with you.

            So, I’m done. Sink away.

    2. Eve

      We’re using personal experience. I am NEVER comfortable when a man lands me on his lap.
      I can see her trying to get up before he lets her, and she walks away from him right away.
      Had it lasted longer, or if she had stayed to chat after, I would think she was ok with it.
      It doesn’t appear to be the case.

      1. Scared Vagina

        Agreed, she seems to struggle to get off him towards the end and runs off up the steps pretty sharpish.

        Perhaps attitudes like the ones seen in this comments section are the reason she shrugged it off and agreed with the ‘it was all a silly laugh’ narrative.

        1. scottser

          i’d say he got a right face full of grief later on from her in private. he should have anyway, you just can’t don’t get away with that no matter where you work.

      2. Úna

        At last someone sees what I see. Her body language is that of someone who is very uncomfortable, she clearly tries to get up once before she is released. I have NEVER been comfortable with this kind of harassment and I am confident she was not either.
        Have you ever experienced this kind humiliation @Clampers?

      3. Kim V

        That was exactly my take on it. She walked away FAST. She didn’t stay and chat, or rib him back. She was clearly not ok with it.

    3. Chinafoot

      It doesn’t matter how well they know each other. They could be best mates who carry on like that in private all the time. The point, which you seem to be deliberately missing, is that they are at work. They are there in the process of debating a seriously important piece of legislation that has been 21 years in the making. They also should have been fully aware that there are cameras in there.

      They were both completely in the wrong and should be fully reprimanded for that ridiculous behaviour. It is disrespectful to the people that they represent. This isn’t some local issue that nobody cares about. The eyes of the world are on us with this and that kind of behaviour makes a mockery of all of us.

      1. Marfl

        Totally agree. They are behaving like two teenagers, which is not appropriate in this situation. Have they never heard of professionalism at work?

        1. Bangalore

          Whats this ‘they’ business. How was she behaving in an inappropriate manner by being manhandled.

          This is all on him.

    4. Karl

      You seem particularly invested in this Clamps, given the previous anti-woman tripe you’ve written on this site I can’t say that your 50+ comments of apologia are much of a surprise.

    1. munkifisht

      I’m almost more outraged by the hedonistic f*cks walking on the blue carpet. No elected official is allowed cross the yellow border on the Daíl floor.

  15. Donal Moloney

    No harm at all. Just two adults havin’ some fun. The world has gone PC crazy and this sorta caper should be congratulated.

      1. Donal Moloney

        Manual my arse. Check out the manual on fun, laughter and enjoyment in the workplace. It makes the world a better place.

        1. Jandals

          Fun and keeping your hands to yourself are not mutually exclusive. Isn’t that what they teach little kids at kindergarten?

        2. Bangalore

          Its a national parliament voting on the biggest women’s rights legislation in a generation.

          Taking that seriously is what makes the world a better place, not knobheads stuck in the 50s.

          1. Donal Moloney

            They’re not voting. Theyre goin back to their seats. It doesn’t matter if it happens to be on a day when they’re in work to vote on Womens rights legislation or the problems with red lemonade.
            Lighten up for Jaysuz sake and whinge about real problems and not two consenting adults havin a giggle. Christ, the prudes of Ireland!

          2. Bangalore

            They’re not voting. Theyre goin back to their seats

            Jesus christ.

            They’re there to vote. Go back to school will you.

        3. Original Cynic

          Rules apply to the rest of us in the country. This would have serious implications. What makes these eejits different?

          1. Bacchus

            One those adults was not consenting. Maybe by your standards she was but not by normal ones. What might be normal” in a GAA car park at 4am isn’t acceptable in the Dail. If you think that behaviour is ok then you have issues.

        4. Nigel

          So does rape, groping, verbal abuse and all other forms of sexual harrassment. With them gone, there’s no fun to be had in the workplace no more.

  16. Bobby

    Holy sh*t!

    I never thought I would be surprised by anything happening in the Dail, but this is f**ked!

  17. Butt

    To all the idiots defending this carry-on, “oh they might be best mates”, “oh it’s harmless”; “oh you’re overreacting, Maude Flanders etc etc” ….it’s still highly unprofessional. In any workplace in the country this would be out of order, that’s before you even mention the fact that they are paid public representives, carrying on like eejits during this incredibly important time for women’s rights in our country.

    1. Richie

      Nail meet head. Even if she was his wife it’d still be inappropriate carry-on in their place of work during an important debate/vote and worthy of criticism regardless of any suggested level of intoxication. Are people not concerned that because the Dail ran through the night TD’s couldn’t stay off the drink for a night. No wonder the drinks industry has such political sway, seems everyone in Dail Eireann has a drinking problem.

      1. Willie Banjo

        Lack oh heating on the warmest night of the year…oh yeah, that would explain anything.

    1. pedeyw

      “I have apologised to Aine Collins and she graciously and immediately accepted my apology. No excuses, I just shouldn’t have done it.”

      Why bother with the heating excuse?

        1. Mani

          But yuo’ve at least admitted that she had her arse smacked, to increase circulation?

          Great. Time to move on.

        2. Chinafoot

          Sweet Jesus.

          How can you not see that this is inappropriate? Genuine question. I am absolutely baffled at your dogged defence and ridiculous dismissal of anyone who dares to find it inappropriate.

          The pair of them were out of order. That behaviour wouldn’t be acceptable in any workplace.

          1. Clampers Outside!

            My dogged defence is of one thing only. He did not slap her bum.

            What was pissing me off was all the muppets that likely did not even watch the video that kept saying he did.

            That is all I have said.

          2. Mikeyfex

            I haven’t read all your comments about this but do you acknowledge that he pats her ass? Which could easily be construed as a slap, in this context.

            And in my own opinion it looks like he was about to again right at the end but thought better of it.

          3. Continuity Jay-Z

            It’s probably a signature Clampers move and vicariously he is the one being lambasted. Poor perverted Clampers, no means no.

          4. Clampers Outside!

            @mikefex

            No. I most definitely do not agree he pats her ass. And no, he does not attempt again at the end.

            Watch it slowly, pause, rewind, full screen it or whatever.

            Of course I agree that what transpired can be construed as a slap. It’s the damned construing that got me annoyed in the first place. Construing something does not equal actual happening :)

            I’m getting tired now.

        3. Jandals

          And pulling her onto his lap for a cuddle is appropriate at work? I don’t do to my colleagues in winter.

          1. Jandals

            @Clampers – given the broad definition of sexual harassment, well yeah it could be

            “Sexual harassment is defined in section 14A(7) of the Employment Equality Act as any form of unwanted verbal, non-verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature which has the purpose or effect of violating a person’s dignity and creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment for the person.”

          2. Jandals

            Clampers, if you can’t see that this situation (not necessarily here but in general) might be seen as sexual in nature, then you need to cop on. And its not just purpose, its effect as well. Someone might not mean it in that way but if the person on the receiving end feels it crosses a line, that what the definition describes and what matters.

          3. Clampers Outside!

            You said it Jandals. Absolutely. I totally agree.

            “but if the person on the receiving end feels it crosses a line, that what the definition describes and what matters.”

            And by that, there was no sexual harassment as Ms Collins said it was nothing.

          4. Jandals

            Clampers – yes, that’s true. What is she had said it was, given that it falls within the legal definition? As you said anyone call it harassment “needs to have their head (and eyes) checked immediately” would you be sending her to SpecSavers rather than a lawyer?

          5. Lorcan Nagle

            Because no woman in history has lied about bring fine after she was harassed, out of fear for her position or reputation were she to be labelled a troublemaker or radical feminist. Or if she was being pressured. Or if she lived in a society which puts the blame on the victim of the harassment.

          6. Clampers Outside!

            @Jandals

            I’m not talking about ‘what ifs’ or ‘in general’ situations. Only this one situation.

            You absolutely can not talk in those terms on this subject if accusations are being made.

  18. Chinafoot

    Eh Clampers Outside! You have actually said more than just “He didn’t slap her arse”. You also said:

    “Ms Collins.
    Said herself.
    To him.
    That she was….

    “Freezing”

    Get over it.”

    and

    “Right, good. That’s put an end to it. FFS.”

    and in reply to the suggestion that people need to “chill” and not get all “Maude Flanders” over it

    “I concur.

    They could be very good friends, who knows.”

    Those are three examples of you telling people that they shouldn’t be annoyed over what is very clearly inappropriate behaviour. If you don’t see how that would gall people then you must be extremely ignorant as to what is and isn’t acceptable in the workplace. I most certainly wouldn’t want to work with you.

    1. Clampers Outside!

      That’s juvenile and you bloody well know it.

      Of course I said those things. What’s that got to do with my point that I am trying to put across that he did not slap her arse.

      His behaviour is unprofessional. I never said it was not.

      He did not slap her arse.
      It was not sexual harassment.
      It was unprofessional.

      That’s me done.

      1. Scared Vagina

        Why is it only sexual harrassment if there was arse slapping? Is that the Clampers Official Line in the Sand of Sexual Harrassment or something?

        As Jandals so rightly said above, the definition of sexual harrassment is dependent on the receiver not wanting it. i.e. it should be consensual. Maybe this was or wasn’t.

        But as Lorcan Nagle points out above, people claiming baldly that this act could objectively never be sexual harrassment and that those who claim it could need their eyes checking is the very reason why people who are subject to it shrug it off and dismiss it as part of every day life that has to be accepted. If a young girl is touched in this way by an adult she knows is she going to think ‘oh well it made me feel a bit uncomfortable, but everyone thought it was normal when those TDs did it so I probably shouldn’t complain’?

          1. Scared Vagina

            He extends his hand and she takes it (in the same way you high five someone who raises their hand to you so as not to look awkward). I don’t think she expected or wanted anything of what followed. But that’s just what I see based on personal experience of similar behaviour.

  19. Mani

    I think the most distressing thing about all of this is how years of viewing pornography have so desensitised Clampers to images of graphic sexualised behaviour, his brain can longer process images of a mildly sexual nature. He cannot see the ‘slap on the arse’ as it’s too ‘maintstream’. Now, had the deputy farted in her face Clampers would be all up in arms like everyone else.

  20. Dr. Richard Kimble

    they are not robots, yes it’s their place of work but is everyone 100% all business all the time when they are at work ? are they not entitled to have a bit of a joke at work?.

    1. Bangalore

      You are not entitled to grab female colleagues and pat them on the ass no.

      Thats pretty elementary stuff.

    2. Karl

      You’re actually defending an over-paid, unproductive politician’s right to engage in inappropriate horseplay in the Oireachtas during political proceedings that will decide of the women of Ireland will have some modicum of bodily autonomy? WTF.

  21. Eve

    Ok, one last attempt to explain this to the ‘ladies, calm on down’ crowd.

    Reverse the scenario: almost all female Dail, with a few gents thrown in there. Middle of the night, one of the women grabs one of the few, forces him to stay on her lap, while the other women look on smiling. He gets off and runs up the stairs. Emasculating/Infantilising much?

    1. Eve

      And if he made a fuss the following day, how would that affect his career prospects in the practically all female Dail?

      1. Clampers Outside!

        The sequence of events….

        Tom says something.
        She responds, looking at him.
        She taps his shoulder.
        He puts his arm out.
        She clasps the outside of his hand (he does not grab hers).
        She turns by her own doing as she has already balanced herself by clasping his hand.
        He guides her to his lap.
        She sits.
        They joke… probably realising this is not appropriate.
        She begins to rise.
        His hand goes up as she leaves his lap to let her go.
        His other hand touches the lower right hand side of her back.
        She turns to walk up the stairs.
        He waves her off.
        She walks on at normal walking speed.

        Following morning. Spanners on Broadsheet see things as sexual harrassment rather than as straight up inappropriate behaviour for the workplace.

        Watch it again.

        1. ABM's Bloodied Underwear.

          Look Tom, you shouldn’t have done it. Now get over yourself and don’t be late for the 4pm start.

          Also, avoid the bar, yeah?

        2. Scared Vagina

          Okay, that’s how you interpreted it.

          I see her trying to get up a couple of times, restricted by his arm, before she eventually manages to struggle free and walk away sharpish.

        3. Oh me oh my

          My last post on this because I have better things to do than to listen to a pack of femme nazis baying for man blood. You are completely right in everything you’ve said Clampers.

  22. Gigiglee

    Before we all go nuts thinking this is a clear case of sexual harrassment, just note that the Employment Equality Act states the following:

    The definition of sexual harassment includes any:
    • act of physical intimacy
    • request for sexual favours
    • other act or conduct including spoken words, gestures or the production, display or circulation of written words, pictures or other material that is unwelcome and could reasonably be regarded as sexually offensive, humiliating or intimidating.

    The important word here being “unwelcome”. Unless she makes a complaint about it, nowt will come of it.

    The question of whether it’s appropriate workplace behaviour or not is completely separate I think.

    1. Charles Brennan

      Unless you can prove that she wanted hands laid upon her, it’s not just harassment: it’s ASSAULT.

  23. CK

    the simple fact people try to justify this act shows 1) they have never worked a day of their life in a real professional environment, 2) the 1950’s called and would like their gender prejudices back.

  24. B Bop

    This thread is exhausting!
    Think the majority of Broadsheeters are rightly disgusted with the very inappropriate antics that took place at our seat of parliament during crucial abortion bill vote process.
    The rest agree on a “bit of banter” occurred.
    Clampers has defiantly defended his point of no slapping of bottom took place & agrees on inappropriate nature of it all.
    The Inner/Outward eejits of the Dail continues.

  25. Charles Brennan

    HOW could anyone think this is acceptable in this day and age? Fun? A bit of fun? No wonder the whole country is full of blind pigs laughing at date-rapists and cat-callers, arse-pinchers and wife-beaters.

  26. Formerly known as @ireland.com

    I have been reading Tom Barry’s website. I am surprised to see that we shared the same Primary school.

    Under a section called “Local Issues”, there is a story about some bloke called
    “Anthony Worrall Thompson” being prosecuted by Tescos for shoplifting. I presumed he was a local, living in the Mallow area. When I googled him, it turns out he is a TV chef. How does this count as a ‘local issue’, or an issue that an Irish TD needs to comment on?

    http://tombarry.ie/local-issues/criticism-tescos-shoplifting-prosecution

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