Mercy Mercy Me


22/7/2011. Quinn meets Catholic congregations(Representatives of the Sisters of Mercy meeting the Minister of Education in 2011)

Conor Ryan writing in today’s Irish Examiner shows correspondence between religious orders (including the Sisters of Mercy) and the State.

In a letter to the Minister for Education dated 29/5/2012 Cóirle McCarthy, leader of the congregation states:

In the course of several letters and meetings, I have explained our position that we are not responsible for a 50:50 cost sharing. The Congregation of the Sisters of Mercy has not made any agreement with the Government to pay half of the State’s expenditure in respect of the Redress Scheme and CICA (Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse). This continues to be our position.

Our voluntary contribution in response to the Ryan Report, as contained in our Contribution Document of December 2009, is not a matter for negotiation. We will not be participating in an exercise of valuation or reckoning with the State in relation to those parts of the Contribution which the State has decided to accept, or otherwise.

We are not willing to enter negotiations with Government towards its fulfilment of the commitment which it made in its Programme for Government for the tranfer of school infrastructure, currently owned by 18 religious orders cited in the Ryan Report, at no extra cost, to the State.

Conor Ryan also reveals that 66 schools worth €412m were transferred to the Ceist Trust. CEIST (Catholic Education, an Irish Schools Trust) includes MEP and former GAA president Séan Kelly as a member and Ronan Mullen is listed as being on its board of directors.

Its website states:

CEIST engages with all people of good will to promote a preferential option for those made poor, to take action for justice, and to exercise care of the earth in a spirit of respect and welcome for diversity.

Order told State to scrap vow on abuse redress (Conor Ryan, Irish Examiner)

(Leon Farrell/Photocall Ireland)

32 thoughts on “Mercy Mercy Me

  1. NavyandBlue

    A Constitutional Amendment to expropriate the schools from them into State ownership would soften their collective cough. And let’s face it, it would just be recognising that these schools are de facto State schools in that the taxpayer foots nearly all of the bills.

    1. Am I Still on This Island

      This; the time is right to separate church and state and create a proper secular state

      1. Drogg

        I think we should get C.A.B to seize the schools for the state, at this stage the church can only be described as organized crime so lets seize their assets for the greater good.

        1. Am I Still on This Island

          As good an idea as that is I don’t think it would hold up in court, I think Sentino; below is on the right line, similar to Germany time to Tax people who wish to opt in to the church and any religious funding from the state comes from the tax.

          Then actually tax the assets of all religious institutions, property, wealth etc.

          1. Drogg

            I know your right, i just hate this criminal organization getting away with murder. So lets tax them into oblivion.

      2. Blobster

        Seperate chuch and state by inserting an amendment in the Constitution taking, unilaterally, private property from church groups into state hands. That sounds like a meshing/merging of church and state. Bizaarre suggestion.

        1. Navy_Blue

          No, the State takes over the schools and we dispense with all of the religious ethos. So education is a strictly secular system. If parents want to indoctrinate their children with religion, they can do that on their own time.

          And if you take the view that many parents only baptise their children so that they are a shoe-in for a place in the local primary school, then secularisation of schools may see a significant drop off in baptisms and Church membership, hence speeding up the decline of the Church. Yay!

          1. sentino

            Constitutional amendment would have a good chance of failing to pass. Tax is faster and harder to challenge. You can’t avoid property tax with a trust: you repossess the lands if the taxes are not paid even if they are held in the Caymans by a gang of Iona mentalists.

          2. Blobster

            So you’d “seperate chuch and state” by inserting a clause in the Constitution that prevents religious communities from choosing to educate their children as they wish. How very liberal of you.

          3. Am I Still on This Island

            Blobster, Religious communities would be free to educate their children as they wish but must provide the financing themselves, I think that is very practical and reasonable.

        2. Jane202

          Blobster, to spare my sanity I must alert you to the frustratingly common error that your use of seperate is in fact the most common misspelling of separate. The word you wish to use is rendered with two As.

          1. Navy_Blue

            No Blobster, parents can educate their children however they want. If they want them to receive an education that goes hand in hand with their religion, then they can send them to a private religious school. What I don’t want is the taxpayer paying for a religious education. Public school should be non-religious. If parents want to embellish this education with religious instruction, they are fully free to do so on their own time and on their own dime.

  2. Atticus

    That statement should’ve finished with the words, “…and there ain’t nothing you can do about it!”

    Watched Philomena over the weekend, really shocking stuff. They really were all about the green. That said, there were plenty of people complicit in their treatment of the vulnerable at the time.

    1. Jane202

      Ah yes, terminally single Senator Ronan Mullen – nothing wrong with a 40 year old vrigin who preaches about the right kind of sexual mores. I guess he just hasn’t found the right girl yet.

    1. Bangalore

      You can only sue if they’ve done something illegal. And thanks to Fianna Fail the state legally agreed to take on all the burden for the redress and everything the catholic pay is on a voluntary basis.

      Great isnt it!

  3. sentino

    Clerical supertax.
    5% yearly on all capital and property.
    End of tax free exemption for church income.

    Applies to all religions.

    1. cluster

      The RCC in Ireland was never very Christian.

      Ireland when the RCC were at the apogee of their power and influence, was tough and unforgiving.

    1. sentino

      Jesus would ask his lawyers to transfer his capital assets into an offshore trust run by hatemongers and headbangers.

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