Caring For The Pigeons

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donalphotoDonal Moloney writes:

This man frequenty beds down under the railway bridge at Westland Row [Dublin]. One could be easily judgemental. I approached expecting to find empty bottles & him to ask me for some money. However, he seemed shy and asked for nothing. He just smiled softly. I also suspect that under his tattered appearance is a much younger man.
He had a large sliced pan, a carton of milk and a flask. Just another homeless man living on the streets of Dublin, Ireland in 2013. And while he had time and care for feathered strangers no one had time for him.

 

Donal Moloney

307 thoughts on “Caring For The Pigeons

      1. fluffybiscuits

        Austerity pushes people to the brink, hardly think that asking for the government to be pushed out is a dumb post. Luckily there is no such thing as a dumb post on here only utter twats which you have proved yourself to be…

          1. Rep

            You are right. What we need is a new government who will just start wantonly spending loads of money. Gotta spend money to make money, eh?

        1. Rob_G

          ‘Austerity’ is a buzz word that describes fiscal prudence – Govts not spending more money than they take in.

          When Ireland had loads of money, there were still homeless people. Homelessness is related to a lot of factors; just spending more money on homeless people is not going to solve it.

          1. scottser

            agree that homelessness is a very complex problem but the long and short of it is that there’s a bed crisis around dublin with all services full to capacity before 11am most days.

            they’re compling the figures from the last rough sleeper count today, so i’ll let ye know the craic later.

          2. Rob_G

            @scottser

            Cheers. And it’s not that I think that FG/Labour’s record on tackling homeless is beyond reproach; I just thought that Fluffy’s take on the issue was a wee bit trite.

          3. Nigel

            But when we HAD more money, some was spent to alleviate the problem and now we have less money, less is being spent, making things worse, becuase it stands to feckin reason that in straitened circumstances the human beings cold and hungry and sleeping on pavements will just have to tighten their belts a bit more because there are more important things than people, human beings, who have to sleep rough. Priorities.

        2. Sgt. Bilko

          WE ARE BROKE. What is so effing difficult to understand about that? Even when we were splashing the cash around the place like we were all lotto winners, there were homeless people on the streets of Dublin. But no, one picture of a homeless guy prompts “[u]nderlines why government needs to be pushed out….” You clown.

          1. fluffybiscuits

            Ask my arse. We could cut back on paying for a couple of art projects, giving money to promote Irish or some other campaign. Yes we are broke but we can divert money from other causes. Engage your brain buddy!

            PS Would you like a coffee and a slice of cake, its a peace offering!! ;)

          2. Sgt. Bilko

            At which point someone else on here will be saying how such cuts underline why the goverment needs to be pushed out.

            Thanks for the offer of cake, but I had a fry for the brekkie, so I’ll pass.

        3. Happy Molloy

          You’re a great fella for name calling :)

          What is austerity anyway? We spend more than we earn, austerity is the effort to spend no more than we earn. Every individual practices it every day.

          Our focus needs to be on attracting more industry so we will have more to spend :)

    1. Tony Gill

      Homelessness is a very complex issue, but I agree that something must be done. There are more people living on the streets than there was in the 1960’s when the Simon Community was set up.

  1. Skeptic

    It’s awful how no one cares about this man. Did the photographer get his informed permission to take his photo and send it to a website?

    1. bucko

      +1000. Sanctimonious self important “artist” is sanctimonious and self important. I hope at least any money made from the pic goes to the “subject”.

      1. 439875698367

        A very silly assumption that money would be made from this picture.Maybe you know how though.Please inform person who took photograph how,so they can donate accrued riches to charity.

      2. CK

        what a bucket of feces you are bucko, what money do you think this guy is going to make from this pic? you are just a bitter idiot, shut up already,

      3. Nigel

        Sanctimonious commenter terrified less the photograph provoke an electrical impulse in the rigid, hierarchical structures of the brain, identified as empathy, triggering a cascade of responses down through their atrophied nervous system releasing a trickle of blood to drip in the cold cavernous wastes of their heart hides behind an asinine demand for detailed bureaucratic and financial accounting of all transactions in triplicate and nonetheless prejudges photographer as moralistic and egotistical simply for the act of photographing an inherently empathic subject and subjecting commenter to said ordeal.

          1. jungleman

            It was yeah, hence the use of the word “sanctimonious” in your post when trying to slag someone else off. Pull the other one.

          2. Nigel

            Yeah, I mimicked the tone I was attempting to slag. This does not by any means preclude the possibility of me being sanctimonious, but sometimes you find a Broadsheet thread that would make a barrel of bread mold look like a paragon of superior ethical behaviour.

    2. IDB

      I resent this “no one cares for him”. I have done some work with Focus and the Simon Community. They spend a lot of time and effort caring for every homeless person across the country. They work tirelessly, often for nothing in return.

      1. Donal Moloney

        Jesus, the haters are out today in force on the ol’ Broadsheet. You’re some shower.

        Can you imagine all the photographers currently around the world photographing starving kids etc getting written permission.
        Not gonna happen and I don’t give a shit :-). I stood beside this man with my camera and attempted to converse with him. He had no problem with my taking the photograph but I certainly was not going to run and find a model release form.

        Just for the record. It’s not for commercial gain and the pedantic moaners can kiss my arse.

        1. Donal Moloney

          Haters are always gonna hate..particularly the nameless ones that hide behind the keyboards. Now away with you sir.

          1. Doo Wah Diddy

            You’ve really made everyone here decide that not only were they right about your attitude but you’re absolutely an even worse a-hole than they thought

        2. Dee

          http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/politics/shedding-light-on-the-pay-of-charity-chiefs-168676.html An interesting article on the pay of charity chiefs! Indeed!

          Donal, a great photo. He is one of many on the streets of Ireland.

          I’m shocked at the lack of compassion shown here on broadsheet from some of the comments. No wonder at all that the country is in the state that it is in. It’s not just the government lining their pockets. Each man for himself really isn’t it!

          1. Doo Wah Diddy

            Dee – a charity chiefs salary must be comparable to that of a chief of a privatised profit driven organisation. The reason for this is clear to anyone with any semblance of intelligence in terms of understanding the quality of chief execs required for charity organisations.

        3. Skeptic

          “Can you imagine all the photographers currently around the world photographing starving kids etc getting written permission.”

          Firstly, written permission is different to informed permission. And yes, I can imagine photographers and filmmakers photographing children getting their or their parents informed permission. I’ve done it and do it myself. Secondly, you drawing a link between photographers taking pictures of “starving kids in Africa” and you taking a picture of a guy in Ireland and sending it to an Irish website shows just how much you’ve failed to appreciate the ethical issues here.

          “Not gonna happen and I don’t give a poo :-). I stood beside this man with my camera and attempted to converse with him. ”

          Oh, ‘attempted to converse with him’ you say?

          1. Donal Moloney

            “Firstly, written permission is different to informed permission”
            I’m well aware of that thanks.

            “And yes, I can imagine photographers and filmmakers photographing children getting their or their parents informed permission. I’ve done it and do it myself”

            You’re a photojournalist then? Obviously not.
            Children? Permission is always required when photographing kids(particularly for commercial reasons).
            However, you think photojournalists run around after a disaster looking for Model release forms?

            “Secondly, you drawing a link between photographers taking pictures of “starving kids in Africa” and you taking a picture of a guy in Ireland and sending it to an Irish website shows just how much you’ve failed to appreciate the ethical issues here”

            Gimme a break for Gods sake. Whether the issue is a kid starving in Africa or a man in decline in Dublin makes no difference. Ethical my arse.

            “Not gonna happen and I don’t give a poo :-). I stood beside this man with my camera and attempted to converse with him. ”

            Oh, ‘attempted to converse with him’ you say?

            Yes and the problem is?
            And so Mr Ethical Filmmaker/Photographer/. What was it you say your name was?

          2. Bingo Slimz

            You are a serious pain in the arse.

            That’s what people will take away from this thread. Nothing about homelessness or internet anonymity.

          3. Bingo Slimz

            Sorry, that was supposed to be a reply.

            I’m sure there’s no doubt as to whom it was addressed.

          4. jungleman

            “Attempted to converse with him” – He probably told the “photographer to fupp off. And I wouldn’t blame him if he did.

            If this guy cares so much himself why didn’t he take him home and give him food and shelter himself? Oh no, taking a photo of him and pretending to give an actual toss, while patronising everyone else, on BS would be much more beneficial for Donal.

          5. Ian Walsh

            Funny Donal how you’ve had a pop at everyone for hiding behind their keyboards. Like to see how brave you’d be if you actually faced any of the dozens of people you’ve pissed off on this page today. You’d only die to be back behind your keyboard.

          6. Donal Moloney

            Pop? I’ve mostly had to defend myself against these tools. Don’t you worry about me Ian.

            I doubt most of them would have the balls to say some of the sarcastic poo they do to anyone’s face. They exist to beat their internet chests and slag.

            Btw, you got it wrong, they pissed me off but I’m cool now :-). Christ, I’ve wasted far too much time on this crap.

        4. Holden MaGroin

          Your opinion is your opinion Bucko. But I’m sure can deliver it without being mean. Or try at least.

        5. Donal Moloney

          “Firstly, written permission is different to informed permission”
          I’m well aware of that thanks.

          “And yes, I can imagine photographers and filmmakers photographing children getting their or their parents informed permission. I’ve done it and do it myself”

          You’re a photojournalist then? Obviously not.
          Children? Permission is always required when photographing kids(particularly for commercial reasons).
          However, you think photojournalists run around after a disaster looking for Model release forms?

          “Secondly, you drawing a link between photographers taking pictures of “starving kids in Africa” and you taking a picture of a guy in Ireland and sending it to an Irish website shows just how much you’ve failed to appreciate the ethical issues here”

          Gimme a break for Gods sake. Whether the issue is a kid starving in Africa or a man in decline in Dublin makes no difference. Ethical my arse.

          “Not gonna happen and I don’t give a poo :-). I stood beside this man with my camera and attempted to converse with him. ”

          Oh, ‘attempted to converse with him’ you say?

          Yes and the problem is?
          And so Mr Ethical Filmmaker/Photographer/. What was it you say your name was?

        6. Frodo Baggins

          @ Clampers – Not what I said, essentially what it boils down to is – Pay peanuts, get monkeys.
          CEO’s position is no less valuable in an NGO than it is in a privatised, profit driven manufacturer.
          Volunteering on the street is a lot different to directing the strategic decisions of an entire organisation.
          It takes qualifications, many many years experience in the private sector, in order to attact a capable CEO, you must compete with other profit driven organisations.
          Similarly, Concern, Oxfam et al all have paid staff, paid to a level comparible to that of private businesses.

        7. IDB

          Donal, Was that response meant for me?
          I’m trying to promote the good work that is being done on a daily basis. There are organisations that people can volunteer for if they believe that no one gives a shit.

    3. Johnny Bravo

      The photographer doesn’t need permission, as the photo was taken on public property with no expectation of privacy.

      Do you get asked every time you walk down the street, if they can record you on CCTV? What about private property, like a shop? No, you don’t.

        1. Nigel

          BOOM! Successfully provoke arbitrary argument by insisting a photograph adhere to personal moral and ethical standard, assuming it doesn’t and adopting unnecessary and arbitrary hardline skeptical attitude towards photographer because you hate pigeons. Probably.

    4. 439875698367

      @Skeptic,Why don’t you talk about the issue that the image shines a light on, rather than whats behind the camera.Probably because you dont give a shite,keyboard worrier.

      “It’s awful how no one cares about this man”

      You’re a joke.

      1. Skeptic

        “It’s awful how no one cares about this man” was a paraphrasing of the photographers blurb, placed before the sentence that followed to show up the lack of care in getting informed permission.

        The main issue relating to homelessness, particularly entrenched rough sleeping, is mental health.

        Posting someone’s image publicly without their informed permission shows a lack of concern for the implications on that persons mental health, homeless or not.

        1. scottser

          skeptic – sorry, but you shouldn’t generalise about someone’s homelessness, you’re opening a huge can of worms. you absolutely nothing about the man in the photograph, his support needs or his engagement with services.

          and it seems that the photographer received verbal consent from the person to have his photo taken.

          1. Donal Moloney

            Skeptic..I doubt you give a shit about this mans “mental health”.

            I told you I tried to speak with the guy but you sneered. He showed no problem with me taking his shot and even smiled. However, you think i should have presented him with a model release form?? I seriously hope you don’t turn your hand to photojournalism.

            It’s funny but when I sent this photo to Broadsheet this morning, they wrote back saying they loved the shot but were concerned about the petty regular haters turning it into a model release whingefest.

            How right they were :-). Sheesh!

      2. Captain Redbeard

        Actually there’s a very real ethical issue about photographing someone without permission. He’s still a human being, denying his right to privacy denies his humanity. That’s what Skeptic is on about.

        Yes, the broader homeless crisis is *more important* in that it’s an issue that affects more people. But on this thread, a small part of this post, we’re discussing the ethics of taking the photo without permission. And sending it in to a major national website. Also without permission.

        1. Dee

          If anyone of you lose your job, I’m sure you’ll have a good chuckle when someone else points their fingers and laughs at you! All the best for the future boys!

          1. Mikeyfex

            Dee, I pointed out an error in Eamonn’s unfair comment and Mick and Grouse got the joke.

            Take a breath and even read what I wrote below to see where I stand on this. I know what went before this section of the thread was enough to get someone’s back up so I’ll allow it this time. :-)

          2. Pedanto

            Dee, what exact laughter-exclusion zone would you like? Is there a certain number of yards we have to stand from the picture of the homeless man before we can laugh at a typo?

            I only ask because I’m about to start Puckoon, and I wonder if I should hunt the tramps out of my garden first.

          3. Goosey Lucy

            Dee, take an oul chill pill there, with the cup of tea.

            Geez, this place is getting more sanctimonious day by day!

      1. Dee

        What C&C can you offer so, dear? We are all dying to hear about your insights into the rule of thirds and so on and so forth! Because this photo is all about taking the piss out of the photographer. Who gives a crap about the subject matter really. Lets tear the photographer apart first and foremost!! Idiot!

        1. Mani

          I thought I was being clear in my comment.

          But since you are dense as well as a bad egg:

          Me no likee this piccy.

          Me likee other piccy by old english piccy taker.

    1. B Bop

      Absolute kudos Donal, the eyes are stinging here.
      A superb photo & dare I say capturing some sort of inner peace within this man?
      If we just try to give something, if not in monetary terms, even a hot tea or coffee.

  2. Luny Loo

    The most challenging thing for homeless people is people treating them like they dont exist. Well done Donal for showing some compassion. Hope I remember to do the same next time.

    1. Mikeyfex

      +1 I don’t always give something but I try to always acknowledge the homeless person. By saying hello, not by patting my empty pockets. They may not care but in their position I know it would mean something to me.

      1. sinabhfuil

        There’s usually a shop or cafe nearby where it’s possible to get a cup of soup or cocoa, if you have €3 to spare. (Oddly, the fast food places don’t seem to stock soup or cocoa, but for instance the Hopsack in Rathmines has nice minestrone and excellent cocoa.)

      2. Salmon of Nollaig

        in their position I know it would mean something to me

        Most are probably too cold and hungry to feel anything in response to your greeting.. but sure if it makes you feel better about being a bollox, that’s the main thing. Isn’t it?

        1. Mikeyfex

          Treating people like humans rather than dirt on the ground that you step over is being a bollox, Salmon is it?

          Am I to hand over something every time I walk past a homeless person, is that what you meant? What does that achieve? You must know since you obviously do it all the time.

          Wish I saw this earlier.

          1. Salmon of Nollaig

            The implication that saying ‘hello’ was sufficient to discharge your obligation as a human being irked and continues to irk me.

            I have helped people when they were homeless, yes. And because I have, I know that sitting out in the cold freezing you don’t give a fupp about whether the person walking past with a home to go to said ‘hello’ or not. It’s the streets, not a bloody golf club.

            Genuinely, have you ever known someone who was stuck for a place to live? Desperate? Freezing? Starving? These things can’t be made right just by making sure you treat them with courtesy. A little practical help wouldn’t go astray either.

          2. Mikeyfex

            Where did I imply that “hello is sufficient to discharge your obligation as a human”? And what obligation anyway, one might argue.

            I said I don’t always give something but I try to acknowledge them at least. That’s all I said.

            Read Luny Loo’s comment in the context of the photo. Then read my response in the context of Luny’s comment. And then read yours in response to mine. Big of a high tackle if you ask me but sure you have the moral high ground…

          3. Salmon of Nollaig

            I read it.

            The most challenging thing for homeless people is not people treating them like they don’t exist.

            From a practical point of view, the most challenging thing for homeless people at this time of the year is keeping warm.

            A ‘hello’, no matter how charismatic, does not do this.

            In fact, it is quite annoying because it implies the person actually notices you, but doesn’t feel moved enough to do anything. Bad enough being freezing cold and ashamed without someone saying ‘hello’ to you as they pass.

            It’s not the Bray cliff walk you know with nice middle class people acknowledging one another in passing!

          4. Mikeyfex

            We’ve differing opinions. I respect yours cos you claim to have worked with homeless in the past. Of course from a practical point of view a hello isn’t going to keep anyone warm but I’m not rich, nor am I Mother Teresa, nor am I Scrooge, I don’t know of anyone who donates something every time they see a charity.

            To be honest my exception was to being called a bollox for doing something semi-nice when not able to do something super-nice. But sure, enough is enough; I can see your point.

        2. Salmon of Nollaig

          An interesting (and polite!) discussion, enough to make me regret slightly calling you a bollox.

          If it makes you feel better, in my house it’s practically a term of endearment (I don’t come from the kind of family that goes for Sunday cliff walks on Bray head, if you get my drift :-))

          1. Errol Gunne

            no excuse for ripe language, a man is more than just the sum of his parents and the Bray cliff walk is excellent. have said hello to many fine people there in the past.

          2. Mikeyfex

            I didn’t even know Bray had a head, but ya I get you. This thread was thoroughly exhausting yesterday but I’m off for the next 5 days so I’m ready for anything today. good stuff.

          3. Errol Gunne

            A day off without a Bray cliff walk is a day wasted, toddle down there with the old dear myself whenever possible.

      1. Spaghetti Hoop

        I retract my last line. The sentiment behind the shot is not as initially thought it I don’t like the attitude of the photographer. I work in the business and you’d need a JCB to remove some photographer’s egos before you can begin a critique.

        1. JC27

          The photographer does seem to be an absolute tosser.

          Or maybe just a little sensitive to criticism of his work.

  3. IsMiseBartSimpson

    In the wise words of Kevin McAllister:

    You’re a good talker. You don’t mumble or spit. You should do it more often. Just wear an outfit with no pigeon poop on it.

  4. Jess

    This is a fantastic photo. I really hope more people see it as I haven’t seen another picture of homelessness with so much humanity in it.

    Fair play Donal

  5. johnmcork

    The real shame was the number of homeless people during the height of the celtic tiger when we had plenty money to do something about it.
    The most basic mistake that people make is to assume that homelessness is a result of a lack of a dwelling to live in. Its much more complex than that. Substance abuse, mental health issues, family breakdown are just some of the factors that need to be addressed. Its not just a question of getting someone a gaff.

      1. Nigel

        Not really. A lot of them had homes. But someone accused them of whinging or looking for handouts or bailouts and the Broadsheet Bailiffs went round, kicked in their doors and turfed them out for their own good. It’s sad, of course, but taught them a valuable lesson about financial responsibility.

        1. Frodo Baggins

          Ah yes – lets allow people to live mortgage free forever. WE’ll just clear all the debts, sure it’s not real money anyway.

          1. Nigel

            Them’s the choices. Crush people under a lifetime of massive debt long after their circumstances have changed and they can no longer manage it, or clear everyone everywhere of all debts for all time forever. No excluded middle there at all.

  6. JoBa

    Great photo but now I have ‘feed the birds’ from Mary Poppins playing on a loop in my head. ‘Tuppence… tuppence’

    1. Mani

      Pure Bart’s people.

      Or early Veronica Morningstone.

      I look forward to Donal’s photos from the cat fashion show.

  7. Mani

    ‘And while he had time and care for feathered strangers no one had time for him.’

    This is possibly the worst thing I have ever read in my life.

    And I’ve read the Morrissey autobiography.

    1. Sgt. Bilko

      I thought it was pretty daycent of Donal to come on here and post above to remove any doubts we might have had about his arrogant sanctimony.

      1. Nigel

        Do you have arrogant sanctimony? Taking pictures of homeless people could be the first sign! Take steps now and you can find refuge by walling your feelings behind the cold comfort of reflexive cyncism! Nothing will touch you. You’ll never be hurt again. We promise.

          1. Salmon of Nollaig

            Christ I love Broadsheet.

            This reminds me of Christmas dinner with my family, when I was a nipper.

            Just waiting for Auntie Eileen to collapse over the scotch and Granny to do her famous walkout.

    2. Donal Moloney

      and there was me wondering where all those arrogant nameless keyboard warriors who love to pat each other on the back whilst attempting to be mildly funny from Creative Ireland went :-).

  8. Doo Wah Diddy

    Had this photo been sent without the contrived cynical blurb it wouldn’t have attracted so much vitriol.

      1. Donal Moloney

        I must get William Shakespeare to write the next bit of blurb I attach to a photo. You shower are a hoot :-)

          1. Jack Aranda

            True enough. I quite like the photo. Donal – you may well be a good sort, but your posts today give the impression of an oversensitive, aggressive boor.

          2. Donal Moloney

            Abusing? haa. Check out the abuse hurled at me from your nameless buddies. The term ‘Murphy’s dog’ springs to mind.

          3. Donal Moloney

            Jack..I see you neglected to name or criticize the other clique of abusers?

            I may well be oversensitive on the homeless issue but I make no apology for that.
            I’d suggest it’s the insulting regular smartarse haters that need to concern you more.

    1. Doo Wah Diddy

      I’m loving his responses though, it’s reminding me of the backlash after Gordon Ramsey left a kitchen in the US cos he couldn’t help them. They went into insane territory with their online response. I think Donal is bordering the same area now.

      1. EBS

        If you took time to check out his site you would see the full set of photos on the subject – Donal bathing the homeless man, Donal spoon feeding him soup, Donal providing education and a job for life along with eternal happiness.

      2. Nigel

        Yeah, he’s… really tearing it up? I mean what a meltdown that was! Blood on the walls, poo in the fan, pigeon feathers round the mouth! One for the books to be sure.

      3. Donal Moloney

        Haa…Don’t flatter yourself Mr Doo Wah ‘hide behind my keyboard’ Diddy. There are 5 or 6 chip on the shoulder names that crop up here regularly and rarely have anything to say other that impress each other with smartarse childish remarks.
        It’s been fun exposing them. Later kids.

          1. Sole Sister

            So nice that you’ve found the internet as a way to express your inner toad, Bucko. And some pals too, to help with the old self-reinforcement.

            Could you spread your love around a few more websites though? Spite and ill-will becomes so tedious after a while, and you’re not as witty as Mani.

  9. EBS

    Great photo-well done. Can’t believe the reactions above. @Bucko, @Doo Wa Diddy @skeptic – please post something worthwhile that you have done with your lives bar posting useless shit on broadsheet.

    1. Mani

      They’ve criticised someone who appear to be unable to write or take criticism. His photo is average. He submitted it to a forum where the lads in charge at BS knew full well he’d attract this kind of venom.

      If you look for attention don’t be surprised when you get it.

      1. EBS

        That’s incorrect, they criticised a photographer who took a picture of a homeless man. If you think the photo is average, post one of yours that is better.

    2. Donal Moloney

      I know EBS…They’re some of the saddest people you’ll find on the internet. Nothing to do all day but hate. Drop by tomorrow and you’ll find the same batch of names attempting to be smart-arsed and buddy funny whilst impressing each other.

    1. Donal Moloney

      Or Creative Ireland 2007-2011. I bet the farm and the missus that most of them are right here again doin their thing.

        1. Donal Moloney

          Not at all. It was pathetic knowall smartarses with chips on their shoulders and all day to do it like yourself that were the disliked.

  10. TomTom

    Joe Banks… 82 years young has come to this pond every day for the past 17 years, to feed the ducks. But last month, Joe made a discovery… the ducks… were gone! Some say the ducks went to Canada, others say Toronto. And some people think, that joe used to sit down there, near those ducks. But it could be, that there is just no room in this modern world, for an old man… and… his ducks..I’m Bart Simpson.

  11. middleclasshero

    Homelessness is a symptom of capitalism which promotes individualism above community, profit above social provision and the shareholder above the citizen.

    Profit mongers want us all to be individually weak and vulnerable so we live our lives in constant fear of being poor or unable to provide.

    It’s promoted by the wealthy who never have to deal with the consequences of their actions. They use their money to insulate themselves and isolate everyone else.

    1. Doo Wah Diddy

      What’s your alternative? Give me an example of your alternative working and giving the general population a better standard of living, infrastructure, access to food, medicine, clothes, shelter

      1. middleclasshero

        Eliminate the money industry and reduce currency back to what it is, a temporary token in exchange for goods and services and not a commodity in itself.

        There are always alternatives, always ways to improve. People who cannot see an alternative to rampant capitalism are not reading and studying enough. They are narrow minded and easily led.

        1. Frodo Baggins

          “Eliminate the money industry ”
          Utter tripe.
          Say goodbye to every single mass produced convenience, commodity and comfort you have known your entire life.
          Say hellow to a system failed time and time again.

  12. SDaedalus

    No one should be homeless unless they want to be. Simple as.

    And it’s much easier to happen than you might think. All it takes is a run of bad luck, and people who, like kids hiding the fear that it might happen to them too, like to pretend it’s because you don’t really want a home, or because you wouldn’t know what to be doing with it when you got it.

    So much talk and so little practical help. Pathetic.

    1. Pedanto

      I agree with you, and I’m sure most people would, that people shouldn’t be forced to live on the street. I also think it’s unlikely that the guy under the blanket of birdshit is homeless for entirely economic reasons.

      1. SDaedalus

        I can’t speak for this specific man, whether or not he is happy being homeless.

        But I don’t think most homeless people are. Do you?

        1. SDaedalus

          Just following on from the above comment, Pedanto, which I may not have properly replied to.

          It is really easy to fall into the poverty/homelessness trap if something goes wrong in your life and you don’t have friends and family you can rely on to help while you get straightened out. Frighteningly easy. Sometimes, the reason someone falls into this trap is purely economic. Sometimes, it is something else. Often, it is a bit of both. Does it matter? The important thing is to see if it can be sorted out.

          1. Nigel

            Tangentially, thinking about yesterdays ‘Clearances’ thread, this ties into people’s almost abject terror at the prospect of having their homes repossessed.

          2. Pedanto

            I didn’t see as much fear there as you did, Nigel. I thought you tended to psychologise people’s disagreement with the protest rather than accept it as a rational stance.

          3. Nigel

            Well, no. Very few of the other commenters would have detected as honest an emotion as fear amongst the protestors. Greed, craftiness, cynicism, fecklessness, anything but real gnawing fear. I hope I made more of a good faith stab at critiquing the critics than the critics did in dismissing the protestors and, by extension, anyone in trouble with their mortgage, in fear of losing their house and daring to ask for help as whingers and chancers who are getting no more than they deserve.

  13. middleclasshero

    I give Broadsheet until summer next year max. It doesn’t know what it is anymore and maybe never did.

    1. Salmon of Nollaig

      That would be why you’ve spent the entire morning posting on here then so.

      Stop being petulant. If you think you’ve a good point, stick up for it. Don’t become snide yourself.

      This applies to Donal too. His valid message is becoming lost in the personal.

      Snotty, critical people everywhere. This is Ireland. Believe in yourself and ignore the begrudgers. They’ll die from lack of food.

      1. middleclasshero

        This is just a bad habit. It has no positive outcome or contribution to anything. It’s an addiction facilitator.

        1. Salmon of Nollaig

          It gives you a voice, to express your views and fight for them, if they’re worth it, against the naysayers and the begrudgers.

          That’s as worthwhile an endeavour as anything else in life.

      2. Donal Moloney

        I log on to Broadsheet once or twice a week and its always the same clique of smartarse knowalls destroying threads with their endless attempts at trying to impress each other at being ‘Who’s the funniest and most cynical'(or so they think).

        I’ve had photos published here in the past and never felt the need to reply. However, today I needed to because of the distraction taken from the importance of the photo…and all because the usual haters wanted to have their say.

        I guess the moral of the lesson is that responding to ones own thread is not a good idea as it only gives them more opportunity to hate.

        I seriously hope Broadsheet nips this in the bud before it turns into the joke that Creative Ireland & Boards.ie became (a haven for haters, wasters & individuals with chips on their shoulders).

        Isn’t it a shame that some sites don’t insist on real names etc. The internet lives in hope.

        Apologies for the interruption because the issue of homelessness is far greater than this unnecessary tripe.

        1. Sole Sister

          Some of the smart-arsery is mildly funny and some poses interesting questions, most of it is about showing off.

          And some of it is just nasty begrudging and spiteful but obviously such, and powerless to hurt you unless you let it.

          You know, if you’re happy with your work, it shouldn’t really matter what a bunch of anonymous people think.

          Put the photo up, and those who like it, will like it and those who won’t. Genuinely, it’s not worth getting upset about.

        2. Pedanto

          “I guess the moral of the lesson is that responding to ones own thread is not a good idea as it only gives them more opportunity to hate.”

          Don’t you think you could have responded to it differently?

          1. Sole Sister

            Of course he could.

            But no need to bait people either.

            That’s what above looks like, in fairness. A little bit of mobbing.

            People are allowed to be a bit sensitive, surely.

          2. Pedanto

            First, I don’t think other people’s rudeness justifies yours. Second, when people disagreed politely you responded rudely to them too. (I’m assuming your “Yaaaawn” to Redbeard up there wasn’t a compliment.)

          1. Donal Moloney

            Pedanto. “Politely”? You really do need to go back and read the insults thrown from your buddies.
            Btw, you have far too much time on your hands :-)

          2. Salmon of Nollaig

            I like Pedanto’s comments. He/she is one of the most intelligent commenters on this site.

            I think however that his status as part of the ‘gang’ is leading him to expect things of you with regard to good manners that he really should be expecting from his friends too.

            Or possibly he/she is just not the kind of person who doesn’t understand what it’s like to get bothered by criticism.

          3. Pedanto

            I do indeed. I think neither of us is today’s poster child for single-minded productivity.

            I think you would have accomplished more if you’d taken the higher ground (and actually answered that question about the ethics of your photograph) but I suspect we’re in agree-to-disagree territory.

            So I think you’ve behaved pretty badly here but, for what it’s worth, your chair pictures are lovely.

        3. bucko

          Is it for you Donal to comment on how “important” the photo is. I don’t think it is. Perhaps that is why people find you tedious?

          1. Donal Moloney

            Of course it is. Are you denying me my right to speak? have you a monopoly on commentary?

            And who is the divine you that has decided the “people” deemed me “tedious” :-)

            There’s that clique arrogance again.

  14. David Milligan-Croft

    I think it’s a great shot and a touching story.

    I also think the majority of people have got the point of this post wrong. It’s not about homelessness per se, but about how society judges people – whether they are homeless, gay, travelers, ethnic minorities etc. We tend to opt straight for the stereotype. What this post honestly and sensitively highlights is that we should take our time before we form an opinion about someone.

    In terms of some of the vitriol spewed on here, you have to ask what is their objective for commenting? Is it because they want healthy debate or are they more concerned with one-upmanship? Having the last word, being the most offensive or insulting. (So many of them are completely off the thread.) It’s just a form of cowardly bullying and is probably more of a sad indictment about their own predicament.

    1. Sole Sister

      It’s a typically Irish way of behaving.

      One of the very fascinating things about the internet- and Broadsheet specifically – is how people show in plain sight in comments the things – some good, more often bad – they don’t dare to show offline. These are the lads who’d be bitching behind someone’s back, but tell them they were great to their face. The reasons they bully online are the same reasons they bitch behind people’s back. A mixture of jealousy, fear, powerlessness, resentment, and a craving for excitement and to feel important. The sad thing is that these are the people who never do anything. The more you criticise and put down others, the harder it is to do anything yourself. Seems a bit of a waste, really.

          1. Salmon of Nollaig

            I don’t think Donal was talking about Sole Sister there, in fairness.

            This seems to be one of those threads where everyone’s so emotionally overwrought they can’t work out whether something is an attack or a defence lol.

            I’ve had so many relationship moments like that. Possibly because my girlfriends tend to be redheads.

          2. Donal Moloney

            I wasn’t responding to Sole Sister…and yes there are many vaild reasons for internet pseudonyms but unfortunately there are many many more invalid ones.

        1. Mikeyfex

          You’re all getting very caught up on a few commentors here. ~215 comments now and I have to say, Donal, that a lot of it has been perpetuated by your responses.

          I come here to see the articles and make jokes (some good, more bad) I’ve no problem admitting that. I therefore have seen a good few of your photos on here and you respond to each of them whenever there’s criticism. On each of those, from what I remember, there were more good than bad comments. I’d be quite happy with that if I was lucky enough to have my work featured here. Don’t get too caught up on other peoples opinions and maybe the point of the article would not be lost.

      1. David Milligan-Croft

        As you rightly say, it’s: “A mixture of jealousy, fear, powerlessness, resentment, and a craving for excitement and to feel important.”

        But I also think people behave the same way over in the UK. Once there is anonymity it’s carte blanche for impotent people to vent their spleens.

        1. Salmon of Nollaig

          There is a particular apathy in Ireland the flip side of which is bitching about people who are not apathetic. Often (offline) punctuated by periods of fawning on them or others. It’s endemic here.

          I don’t think it’s quite so widespread in the UK.

  15. AHFFS

    Its a brilliant Photograph Donal, it should of sparked a conversation about homelessness and not the caustic reactions above. If its not done to some peoples exacting standards, they feel the need to tear it apart, hope it doesn’t put you off taking pictures that need to be seen.

    1. Pedanto

      Look back up the thread. The first post did spark a conversation about homelesness. The initial responses are largely complimentary. People are moved, people congratulate the photographer.

      There are mild dissenting voices. Mani makes a gag about not liking the picture, which he is perfectly entitled to do. Skeptic wonders whether the photographer sought permission. A charity volunteer resents being told that “nobody cares,” as well he might.

      Donal’s response? “Jesus, the haters are out today in force on the ol’ Broadsheet. You’re some shower… Can you imagine all the photographers currently around the world photographing starving kids etc getting written permission. Not gonna happen and I don’t give a shit :-)”

      And so on.

      1. Captain Redbeard

        Yeah, it was all pretty reasonable until Donal showed up and started acting like a troll. Bizarre behaviour. Certainly nothing you would call ‘hating’.

        1. Donal Moloney

          Haa. “Troll”. My name is there for all to see. Whats your name captain? I think I may have commented on this site perhaps twice since I discovered it.

          You got some neck dude. I’ve read much of your antics on this and other threads and you love the attention.

          You gotta be kiddin me!

          1. Mani

            I’m beginning to think that you’re not actually an Andy Kauffmanesque character and you’re for reals.

            Take a gently proffered piece of advice, Donal: If you are involved in a field of work that draws criticism, either be able to dazzle the critics with your Wildean wit or stay silent.

            I am not trolling when I say i dislike your photo. It is the pictorial version of Mr Wendell.

          2. Continuity Jay-Z

            To be fair to Captain Redbeard, that is his actual name. Well Not exactly; his last name is Redbeard and he is the Captain of a ferry operating out of the Shetlands.

        2. Captain Redbeard

          @Donal
          I’m pretty easy to find if you were to take the time. That’s the whole point of having a gravatar. It’s not very anonymous at all.

          You’re making personal attacks, being aggressive and generally not very nice. As a friend, I feel obliged to point that much out to you.

          1. Donal Moloney

            “Aggressive”? Really? perhaps you can point out exactly where I’ve been aggressive please or is it that you’re game has been rumbled?

            “Friend”? :-) I dont have friends that behave like you dude. Perhaps you can tell the class you name here ‘friend” and save me the bother of goin thru all that Gravatar stuff?

      2. Donal Moloney

        Mani. I’m well aware of photographic critisism as Ive been doin this craic for many years.
        I don’t care what you think about the photo as the intention of the pic was not a portfolio pice. I merely spotted the scene and took out my camera. The intention of the photo was to create awareness of homlessness not to impress the Broadsheet photgraphic geniuses.

        A exchanging word of advice, don’t be hatin’. Stay positive.

  16. Ontheqt

    Two weeks ago this guy started roaring and shouting at me as I walked on the other side of the street for looking at him feeding the birds. Another passer by told me he had spat at her as she walked down Westland row earlier that morning!

      1. Donal Moloney

        I’d forgive him the Niall Horan episode :-)

        The guys obviously not well. Can’t for the life of me think how he got like that with all the good luck in his life at the moment.

  17. Ger

    Some people identify with homeless people ie an accident or mental trauma could send you there not just drug problems. I worked for 6 months in a soup kitchen in Sidney the most rewarding experience. Every city has homeless people the reasons are just as different as people are different. It’s only when we can see ourselves in others that we can change. It was the most rewarding experience and also opened my eyes ‘who knows what tomorrow brings?’ I hope you smart bastards ???? some of you, you know who you are realise that some people through no fault of their own are dealt such a bad situation that very few people could cope with it. Just stop judging and making fun of people less well off than you. Wow none of you know the future! I could tell you stories of happy healthy people who ended up on the streets. Very annoying for me as I want to say ‘there but for the grace of god !’ but I no longer believe ! So we’re all f***ed if you guys comments are anything to go by……

  18. 439875698367

    Technical question- Was this taken with a camera phone (doubtful) or a dslr?

    Was the sunlight/lens flare filter in the top right adsolutely necessary?

      1. 439875698367

        Everything in photography is subjective in the sense that it is mutable,especially with modern tchnology,but unnecessarily adding ‘sunlight’ to this scene is more than a tad twee don’t you think?
        Changing the very weather and the conditions he is sheltering in does rob the viewer of the facts and makes his situation less real and really less desperate.

        Thanks for your reply

        1. Donal Moloney

          I’ll inform the Photo Garda :-)

          There are no rules in photography anymore. Like I say, everything is subjective and one should always stay true to themselves. If ones likes it, do it, and forget what others might think.
          In the professional world, practically every client these days wants unreal images. You can give them a perfect image but I guarantee they’ll retouch it.

          1. jungleman

            There most certainly are rules in photography these days. What a silly comment to make. And I doubt any of the truly respected photographers would be happy with their photos being fiddled with.

          2. 439875698367

            Who was your client for this image? I believe you mentioned earlier you just came across this moment and took out your camera ,so I presume you took it for yourself.
            If there is no commercial client then the tasteless retouching was your own choice.

            Be true to your subject

          3. Caroline

            You added the sunlight in the corner? Anything else we should know – were the pigeons even there, or has he just picked his nose and wiped it on the blanket?

            Consider doing up some posters and adding a quote from the Bible to make it even more inspirationaler. Suggestion: “Do not fear; you are more valuable to God than many sparrows. Matthew 10:31”. Hell, I’d cry.

          4. Donal Moloney

            Silly?

            I’d like to think that I’m a respected photographer and I know many other respected photographers who work here (and abroad).
            Practically every pro photographer have their images retouched nowadays, whether they like it or not(particularly within the world of advertising). Once it leaves our computer its in other hands and if it not already slightly “fiddled” with by the photographer himself, it is by the agency.

            Only those amateurs who shoot what they want have the luxury of choosing to retouch or not(no matter how little), and most amateurs retouch anyway no matter what they say.
            Many pros are not happy with some of their shots being “fiddled” with but they accept it as it’s an integral part of modern day photography.

          5. jungleman

            What is the difference between professional and amateur photography? Is there a certificate? When I say respected, I am not referring to the paparazzi, those who take photos for advertising, etc. I am referring to famous photographers who have documented wars and strife, sports, various other occasions and would certainly not entertain the notion that their photos are in some way fake/adjusted. You took a photo of a homeless man in just such a way, but then went on to say that it would be acceptable to fiddle with the photo. It is not. This was not for an ad or anything else. It was not “professional” to use your own word.

        2. Donal Moloney

          439875698367 It was a snap, no more. no less. Cheers for your input Mr Bailey.
          I’m actually surprised you had to ask whether it was an IPhone or Dslr shot but then I just figured out that you really just wanted to insult. Cheers Mr Bailey!

          1. 439875698367

            “Only those amateurs who shoot what they want have the luxury of choosing to retouch or not”

            Donal,this remark is a sad indictment on you as a self professed ‘respected professional’ ,worse still it’s a smear on anybody who has the misfortune to be called a ‘respected professional’ by you.

          2. Donal Moloney

            Oh Christ!

            So one must be only a “respected photographer'” if one has “documented wars and strife, sports, various other occasions”. This is 2013 not 1970.

            Really? Many of the best photographers on the planet shoot advertisements and most have no choice but to retouch.

            Also, many of those modern day “respected” guys in sport and war etc ARE retouching their shots whether it be removing, highlighting or enhancing their images in some way(no matter how small). That’s a fact. Some may not like it occasionally but modern photgraphic standards almost demand it.

            I have no problem with that as long as the heart of the story is true. Its modern photography. You may not like it but it’s all but an unwritten rule.

            Ok, I’m off to wash this pain the hole thread out of my day. Yukkkk!

          3. 665463645376

            You do that Donal,you deserve.It’s been a long day I’m sure.

            Oh,one last thing though,next time just leave the old cheap lens flare affect to the pros.G’night.

      2. Donal Moloney

        439875698367. Welcome to the 21st century. I hate to burst you bubble but it’s a fact and frankly I’m astonished you’re not more aware of it.

        Practically every single pro “respected” photographer on this Earth is photoshopping their shots to some degree and if they’re not a second party is..even if it is sometimes to a small degree.

        Seriously! You didnt know???

    1. Donal Moloney

      439875698367. Welcome to the 21st century. I hate to burst you bubble but it’s a fact and frankly I’m astonished you’re not more aware of it.

      Practically every single pro “respected” photographer on this Earth is photoshopping their shots to some degree and if they’re not a second party is..even if it is sometimes to a small degree.

      You didnt know???

  19. 439875698367

    Technical question- Was this taken with a camera phone (doubtful) or a dslr?

    Was the sunlight/lens flare filter in the top right absolutely necessary?

  20. Happy Molloy

    Wow, this has been quite a read now that I have had the time.

    It’s a good photo though personally, I don’t like the idea of someone taking a photo on his nice DSLR of a homeless guy to share online, though i don’t think his intentions were bad. It just doesn’t sit right in my stomach.

    I don’t have much sympathy for junkie homeless guys but for the ones with mental illness, I would hope that someday (soon) we could have a better place for them to go, or even stay away from if they choose.

    And Dónal, I’d say you’re a nice chap but go for a bit of a walk and cool down

  21. phil

    @ Donal.. great work and fair play

    Unfortunately, broadsheet is becoming more and more of a home for pathetic whingers who’ll jump over each other to knock anything that anyone else does..

    All sufferers of ” I didn’t think of it/do it so it’s shite” syndrome

    Sitting behind their keyboards spewing out vitriol, big hard men throwing shapes on the internet.. probably weren’t cuddled enough as kids.. or perhaps cuddled too much (or is that coddled)

    The kind of fine specimens of humanity that wouldn’t give a homeless chap a second glance, let alone the price of a cup of tea..

    You took the time to talk to him, take his picture, and put it out there to make people think a bit..

    More than any of the haters would

    FTB

  22. phil

    @ Donal.. great work and fair play

    Unfortunately, broadsheet is becoming more and more of a home for pathetic whingers who’ll jump over each other to knock anything that anyone else does..

    All sufferers of ” I didn’t think of it/do it so it’s shite” syndrome

    Sitting behind their keyboards spewing out vitriol, big hard men throwing shapes on the internet.. probably weren’t cuddled enough as kids.. or perhaps cuddled too much (or is that coddled)

    The kind of fine specimens of humanity that wouldn’t give a homeless chap a second glance, let alone the price of a cup of tea..

    You took the time to talk to him, take his picture, and put it out there to make people think a bit..

    More than any of the haters would

    Fupp the begrudgers

  23. TK ickle

    This is a great example of why you should never argue with people over the internetz.

    Also BS HQ peeps, can you not just edit posts? As deleting them starts “comment roulette” I assume yis have noticed.

  24. Shayna

    What a wonderful character portrait! Nicely framed and beautifully exposed shot. I could imagine myself standing and staring at this picture at a gallery.
    Perhaps this is part of a study of 21st Century Dublin?

  25. Kieran

    Jay-sus.

    What a calamity of a post. The only person who comes out of this well is the guy covered in birdshite.

  26. AmeliaBedelia

    What a great photograph. So many homeless on the streets of Dublin tonight. Apparently an increase of 88 per cent in the numbers since the same period last year. With the weather turning so much colder it is unimaginable what homeless people will endure when they can’t access accommodation in hostels for the night this winter.

    At a bus-stop in Rialto last week, a couple approached me and my friend asking 3 euro for a bag of chips. They were sleeping rough in and around the Luas line, avoiding the hostels because of the violence and the fact that as a couple they would be separated for the night. The woman was visibly pregnant and both addicted to heroin.

    It is easy to fall through the cracks in this society, when family and friends are non-existent and when mental illness and substance abuse takes over every waking moment. I don’t think we do enough for these vulnerable people and often the money spent on homelessness is wasted in bureaucracy and agency salaries. I don’t know what the answers are, but I do know that compassion and empathy are both missing when we discuss the problem, as witnessed by the interactions above.

    1. Donal Moloney

      Well said Amelia. This photo was posted to create awareness but sadly the usual suspects were more concerned with a model release form & how to negatively critisize, slag the photography and snobbishly sneer at the words attached to the photo.

      Homelessness is a real problem in this country no matter what the individual’s history. I was genuinely touched by this guys misfortune and got a real sense that underneath his harsh exterior lay a once gentle caring individual.

  27. Donal Moloney

    Mr sneering Chumpsky. Name calling seems to be your internet want. Congratulations!

    I can assure you that I have no intention of making any money from this photograph and the reason for my copyright stamp is to prevent some tool using it to do exactly that. Does that help or have you another chip on your shoulder you’d like to discuss?
    I’m now done with this thread and these brave internet heroes. Over and out.

  28. Tom

    This man needs help. He is certainly someone from Malta, who grew up there and went to boarding school at St Edwards, one of the few private schools there. He was also from Sliema, and from a wealthy upper middle class family. His father or grand father was probably in the army or navy. He must have had a very good up-bringing and education. He was probably better off that any of you commenting on this article. He is ill and needs help. We are all just a nervous breakdown or overwhelming tragedy away from living on the streets. Sometimes we take too much for granted.

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