inevitable really. You could feel the prolifers gnashing their teeth when these posters mentioning the this pill started going up. Because they’re completely powerless to stop it. it’s repeat of what happened in this country with condoms.
A zygote is not a baby, you dumb-ass control freak neanderthal anti-choice lamps!
jadedwithitall
I applaud your open-mindedness, balanced approach and nuanced, intelligent consideration of a complex issue. It’s when people (on both sides) adopt aggressive and simplistic positions that problems arise. Glad to see you’re above that.
Llareggub
Cheers and thanks for your wonderful advice. That poster is the work of a group of lying nut jobs so what do expect? I am sick and tired of how these people lie and manipulate the truth. A bunch of cells is not a baby.
ahyeah
People who hold opinions that are contrary to your own are “lying nutjobs”. Chances of sophisticated, informed and informative debate are pretty much nil then, right?
will-billy
leave her alone. no one is perfect
Llareggub
It’s not an opinion Ahyeah, it’s a fact -a bunch of cells is not a baby. And yes anti-choicers are lying nut-jobs.
Brainer
Hate to break it to you Llaregub but you yourself are nothing more than a bunch of cells. And a baby is a bunch of cells. And a blastocyst is a bunch of cells. That’s an organism.
Llareggub
Duh, no Brainer! A leaf too is a bunch of cells but it is not a baby.
Nigel
Well, so long as you passive-agressively focus on tone and make that the centre of the debate as if anger and insults are anything new in this issue, then you are clearly determined to stick to safe ground where the moral high ground is being sniffy about other people’s passion and anger.
Llareggub
Nigel, I like what you’ve said, it’s brilliantly worded.
Nially
Yes, what we really need to do is give some deep, nuanced thought to the “YOU’RE KILLING TEH BABIEZ!!!1!11!” poster. Because clearly it is itself so nuanced in the first place.
Like, seriously, the problem is that there isn’t a balanced middle ground to “That clump of cells is a baby” vs “No it’s not”. What would you like our response to this poster to be?
rotide
Of course there’s a middle ground. Between the YD idiots and the Broadsheet idiots there is the vast majority of Irish Society.
They’re the middle ground.
will-billy
of the latter group you stand head and shoulders below the median
ahyeah
That was just silly, will-billy. Pretty sad how every issue and debate in this country quickly descends into puerile name-calling. Not surprising that anyone with half a brain has left.
will-billy
this lad has form but yes you are right it was silly.
Rotide, exactly!
The vast majority of opinion is getting swamped by the hyperbolic commentary from both sides.
Nially
It’s really telling that you don’t explain what the middle ground between “A 12-week-old foetus is a person” and “A 12-week-old foetus isn’t a person” is. You just assert that a middle ground exists, that most people (including yourself) fall into it as a kind of silent majority, and smugly continue on your way.
Tell me what the middle ground on that issue of contention is, please.
Llareggub is right and didn’t require nuance. Her first part is specific, scientific and accurate, a zygote is not a baby.
The second ‘dumb-ass’ and ‘neanderthal’ part is no different than some religious person saying stuff like ‘you’re going to hell’, or ‘the devil will take your soul’.
‘Control-freaks’ is absolutely and without doubt also wholly accurate. Although I will agree, calling them ‘lamps’ was excessive. Carry on
pedeyw
Some of my best friends are lamps.
Janet
Every home should have one
will-billy
do they enlighten you?
John Cassidy
Why take a pill to kill your baby?
To kill your baby obviously.
Duh!
inevitable really. You could feel the prolifers gnashing their teeth when these posters mentioning the this pill started going up. Because they’re completely powerless to stop it. it’s repeat of what happened in this country with condoms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contraception_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland#Ban_on_sales_1935.E2.80.931978
It’s a badly phrased poster.
It almost sounds like an offer of a different method to pills.
They prefer the vacuum aspiration method – it fits better with their scaremongering..
Use a coat hanger instead?
As long as it’s a holy Catholic coat hanger, galvanised with guilt and even then, only with the permission of a bishop.
50% off at Flannagan’s in Bray
somebody watched jimmy carr last night.
A zygote is not a baby, you dumb-ass control freak neanderthal anti-choice lamps!
I applaud your open-mindedness, balanced approach and nuanced, intelligent consideration of a complex issue. It’s when people (on both sides) adopt aggressive and simplistic positions that problems arise. Glad to see you’re above that.
Cheers and thanks for your wonderful advice. That poster is the work of a group of lying nut jobs so what do expect? I am sick and tired of how these people lie and manipulate the truth. A bunch of cells is not a baby.
People who hold opinions that are contrary to your own are “lying nutjobs”. Chances of sophisticated, informed and informative debate are pretty much nil then, right?
leave her alone. no one is perfect
It’s not an opinion Ahyeah, it’s a fact -a bunch of cells is not a baby. And yes anti-choicers are lying nut-jobs.
Hate to break it to you Llaregub but you yourself are nothing more than a bunch of cells. And a baby is a bunch of cells. And a blastocyst is a bunch of cells. That’s an organism.
Duh, no Brainer! A leaf too is a bunch of cells but it is not a baby.
Well, so long as you passive-agressively focus on tone and make that the centre of the debate as if anger and insults are anything new in this issue, then you are clearly determined to stick to safe ground where the moral high ground is being sniffy about other people’s passion and anger.
Nigel, I like what you’ve said, it’s brilliantly worded.
Yes, what we really need to do is give some deep, nuanced thought to the “YOU’RE KILLING TEH BABIEZ!!!1!11!” poster. Because clearly it is itself so nuanced in the first place.
Like, seriously, the problem is that there isn’t a balanced middle ground to “That clump of cells is a baby” vs “No it’s not”. What would you like our response to this poster to be?
Of course there’s a middle ground. Between the YD idiots and the Broadsheet idiots there is the vast majority of Irish Society.
They’re the middle ground.
of the latter group you stand head and shoulders below the median
That was just silly, will-billy. Pretty sad how every issue and debate in this country quickly descends into puerile name-calling. Not surprising that anyone with half a brain has left.
this lad has form but yes you are right it was silly.
Rotide, exactly!
The vast majority of opinion is getting swamped by the hyperbolic commentary from both sides.
It’s really telling that you don’t explain what the middle ground between “A 12-week-old foetus is a person” and “A 12-week-old foetus isn’t a person” is. You just assert that a middle ground exists, that most people (including yourself) fall into it as a kind of silent majority, and smugly continue on your way.
Tell me what the middle ground on that issue of contention is, please.
Llareggub is right and didn’t require nuance. Her first part is specific, scientific and accurate, a zygote is not a baby.
The second ‘dumb-ass’ and ‘neanderthal’ part is no different than some religious person saying stuff like ‘you’re going to hell’, or ‘the devil will take your soul’.
‘Control-freaks’ is absolutely and without doubt also wholly accurate. Although I will agree, calling them ‘lamps’ was excessive. Carry on
Some of my best friends are lamps.
Every home should have one
do they enlighten you?
Why take a pill to kill your baby?
To kill your baby obviously.
Duh!
Damn work-shy scroungers!
to annoy you ?
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