Heartbreaking ads from october 1945 Irish indo- found by a listener – horrific #adoption pic.twitter.com/GBk5aaQnaG
— WILL HANAFIN (@willhanafin) September 10, 2014
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Heartbreaking ads from october 1945 Irish indo- found by a listener – horrific #adoption pic.twitter.com/GBk5aaQnaG
— WILL HANAFIN (@willhanafin) September 10, 2014
Shocking stuff. What does “full surrender” mean? I am guessing that the child’s parent(s) have surrendered their rights to the child.
Why is this “horrific” exactly?
It is a very sad vestige of the time but back then single mothers were not supported by our state or their families very often,they could not raise their children.These little ones were probably facing life in a home .They were probably better being adopted given what we know of care homes.
Right now we have children being mistreated,denied social workers and a frightening proportion have died in the care of our state in the last ten years. Where are the people wringing their hands over this, something we could do something about?
A newspaper ad selling kids is tragically sad to some people, I guess.
Wusses.
Where’s the for sale bit? Or are you just exploiting the sadness of this to make some kind of point?
You caught me! I was just about to flog my new lifestyle website, drat you Bluepubes!
I’m sure the good sisters only sold them abroad, freebies for locals.
There’s no mention of sale, references are sought to ensure good parents are found.Would there have been a better outcome for children whose parents couldn’t care for them in 1940’s Ireland when there was no social welfare or state help?
You’d prefer an orphanage perhaps?
Kara, there’s no incompatibility between feeling heartbreak at the past and wanting to make the present a better place.
In fact , as anyone who genuinely wants to make things better will tell you, the two usually go together.
Such a typical Irish trick, of apologists for the past, and people who for whatever reason are unable to feel/are repelled by compassion, going “but what are you doing NOW”.
At best, you seriously lack empathy.
Lady, what I can’t understand are people who trawl the past looking for things to prove whatever medieval image of it they have, regardless of norms or context. To judge people from another time against the values and possibilities of the present seriously lacks empathy and is actually quite cruel and exploitative.
Lady what absolute embarrassing nonsense. When it comes to child welfare anything that doesn’t feed into the anti-church narrative is being largely ignored by the likes of the broadsheet demographic and children are suffering because of it. There’s a big difference between empathy for children and seizing an opportunity to jump on board everyone’s favourite hobby horse to air crimes of the past. The measure of empathy is surely who you’ll fight for here and now ,not what honeyed words you’ll use to express your pain at past events and in the same paragraph cast off present victims as inconvenient to your grandstanding. “What are you doing now?” is exactly what an empathetic person would say.
Ease off the ‘Broadsheet demographic’ generalisation there Kara.
I’m pretty much with ya on the rest tho :)
Jaysus…. get off that horse will ya before ya fall off ffs
“Right now we have children being mistreated,denied social workers and a frightening proportion have died in the care of our state in the last ten years. Where are the people wringing their hands over this, something we could do something about?”
What are you currently doing to address these problems?
I work in the area, I lobby for better care and support for children who are not getting the help the need. However it’s met with lots of wringing of hands and “oh if only we had the money” when sometimes the truth is “oh if only we have the motivation to help children that the middle classes don’t feel an emotional tie with”. Many cases of serious abuse and serious failings of the state that have resulted in death and injury to children have made the paper in recent times with little public interest, few “horrified” tweets from broadcasters and people of public note.
Also how dare you… it’s none of your business what I do, I don’t have to earn the right to air an opinion here. If you think you’re any better than a church or 1950’s Ireland who abandoned needy kids to a life of abuse then think again. Your response is the exact same measly, lazy attitude to suffering people I’d expect from such a time.
Lol, relax there Kara, if as you say “it’s none of your business what I do” then don’t bother answering.
John and Teresa could still be alive today, my parents are around that age
I teared up a little. Its kind of upsetting to think of.
Horrific why? A sister trying to help poor children by finding them a good family? I think it shows compassion all round. I pity the poor mother who probably had no option, but am glad people were around to try their best for the children.
Remember, this guy is surrounded by Ray D’Arcy, his co-presenters, and their listeners. Emotive language…
The buffer zone of hell.
it’s not clear at all that the sister had these children’s best interests at heart. how many prospective parents were turned down in favour of catholic parents? you have no idea what criteria were used in making a decision to rehome these children.
Nor do you.
exactly, and neither do you
Spanner
bet that was a bit of a wrench for ya..
That is so distressing. 5/6 for a stone of blackberries?
+tuppence ha’penny
If we wanted your tuppence we’d ask for it.
Gwan givis a go on your tuppence…
It’ll be a thruppence up the backside you’ll be getting next!
From a strap-on I hope!
But experience tells me not to get my hopes up… sigh
that makes little cents
But they’re sound.
Pigs must be fierce fond of blackberries.
A lot of assumptions made in that tweet. Some people are simply ‘anti-adoption’ – regulated or otherwise.
How is adoption “heartbreaking” or “horrific”? A newspaper advertisement might seem a strange method of placing children in families to us now, but it was nothing unusual at the time, or for a long time after. There’s no suggestion the children were for sale. Want to explain your bleeding-heart and revulsion to the thousands of adopted Irish people today, living happy lives with families that love them? Or is it just about RTs and Favourites?
‘Phone 5’
Did phones only have one number back then???
They were probably on what was called a ‘party line’ then. If the receiving phone rang 5 times it was for you. Or something.
The address is in Tralee. If you were directly connected to the Tralee exchange, you would dial 5 (I think). If you were not directly connected to the Tralee exchange, you would ring the operator and ask for ‘Tralee 5’.
Or you could send a telegram to BacoNOMNOMNOM….
that ad for CWS looks like a front for a secret organisation of muc smugglers.
Horrific? Is there a better outcome for a child in that situation to be adopted by a stable couple? I suppose there no melodrama in happy ever after is there?
Exactly!
Mary and Joseph were a stable *cough* couple, and look what happened to Jesus !
What’s heartbreaking about unwanted children finding a (hopefully)loving home with parents who want children (full surrender – it’s a fairly understandable criterion surely?)
The unwanted bit.
Or worse still, they were wanted and the mother was forced to give them up.
3 and 4 year olds. Old enough to know what was happening to them, too young to understand.