I think he means the Scots drafted in as part of the British army to that we needed to fight (or murder if you will) to win our independence
blueswannabe
Well one of the lines being used by NO are ‘you don’t want to end up like Ireland!’ – A big turnout would make it clear that his isn’t true, yeah things didn’t go ‘swimmingly’ after independence and no system is perfect but if given the choice to rejoin the UK it’d be 20% in favour at most. Being independent is worth the hassle.
Jess
I’d say 20% is a massive over exaggeration. the two aren’t comparable. When Ireland became independent we did it with the spectre of ‘great and terrible war’ hanging over our head, most of its budget went on servicing British debt, we had the civil war, then the economic war, the depression, the second world war etc. Not to mention any leader remotely progressive had been shot.
Scotland are in a far better place to become independant than we were
scottser
so there’ll be a scottish civil war followed by partition?
PhilJo
Yes, the New Town district of Edinburgh and Ibrox will remain under Westminster rule
Formerly known as @ireland.com
A lot of Ireland’s history involved British interference. They still control part of our Island. If the most industrialised part of the country was included in an independent Ireland, things would be very different.
I agree, being independent is worth the hassle. I think a lot of Scots realise that, too.
Chris
Are there any rallies where you get to politely mind your own business?
pedeyw
Nope. I hope they vote yes, I suspect they’ll vote no, but it’s entirely the Scottish people’s decision.
No thanks. I’ll support Scotland in which ever way the vote goes.
As my Scottish friend without a vote, been living here too long, says, either way it goes, there’ll be blame games for the next few years… this went wrong because we voted no, that went wrong because we voted yes… it’ll be the same either way.
His heart is a yes, his head says no…. although from our last chat I’d say his heart is winning :)
scottser
there was some english professor from LSE on d rajio yesterday going on about the fallacy and fantasy of the referendum, how salmond was deluded and painting this nightmare scenario for scotland if the yes vote goes through. i couldn’t help think that if i was scottish listening to that i’d vote yes for spite. his biggest objection was that the union could be ended on the say of 5% of its population, which made me chuckle.
Flashman
Let’s hope if Scotland do vote for independence they’ll do a better job of it than the piss-poor attempts of successive irish governments and their gullible electorate.
The biggest recession in the country’s history and it voted in Enda Kenny for change.
Muppets.
If Northern Ireland voted to rejoin the 26 counties tomorrow, and in its current financial mess, do we have to take it? …just wondering….
Some might call that heartless, anti-nationalist, anti-Irish or some other similar bollocks, but then again I like to put pragmatism before the heart.
dan
From a financial aspect, I think we would be made to take it back
Peter
Of course we take it. Europe doesn’t want a rump state on its western edge, and it will support us.
Some Unionists/Loyalists will move to Britain, as happened after 26 county independence. So the whole “employment shortage” up there won’t be as bad as people fear. A few numpties want to drag the island backwards; we can’t let them dictate the narrative.
Much as we shouldn’t be letting Fianna Fáil be the only party to commemorate the 1916 Rising annually. Or we shouldn’t be allowing the tri-colour to be hijacked.
We get to vote?
Celtic fans only…
Why ? Do they rally in Scotland whenever we have elections and referendums ?
No but their people were murdered for our independence
What are you on about?
I’m waiting for that answer too…. will I need popcorn?
James Connolly was Scottish (kind of). He was born in Edinburgh to immigrant Irish parents. Does that make him Scottish?
Reliable wikipedia says he spoke with a scottish accent throughout his life
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Connolly
Jess, I think he’s referring to the FCA lads.
I think he means the Scots drafted in as part of the British army to that we needed to fight (or murder if you will) to win our independence
Well one of the lines being used by NO are ‘you don’t want to end up like Ireland!’ – A big turnout would make it clear that his isn’t true, yeah things didn’t go ‘swimmingly’ after independence and no system is perfect but if given the choice to rejoin the UK it’d be 20% in favour at most. Being independent is worth the hassle.
I’d say 20% is a massive over exaggeration. the two aren’t comparable. When Ireland became independent we did it with the spectre of ‘great and terrible war’ hanging over our head, most of its budget went on servicing British debt, we had the civil war, then the economic war, the depression, the second world war etc. Not to mention any leader remotely progressive had been shot.
Scotland are in a far better place to become independant than we were
so there’ll be a scottish civil war followed by partition?
Yes, the New Town district of Edinburgh and Ibrox will remain under Westminster rule
A lot of Ireland’s history involved British interference. They still control part of our Island. If the most industrialised part of the country was included in an independent Ireland, things would be very different.
I agree, being independent is worth the hassle. I think a lot of Scots realise that, too.
Are there any rallies where you get to politely mind your own business?
Nope. I hope they vote yes, I suspect they’ll vote no, but it’s entirely the Scottish people’s decision.
No thanks. I’ll support Scotland in which ever way the vote goes.
As my Scottish friend without a vote, been living here too long, says, either way it goes, there’ll be blame games for the next few years… this went wrong because we voted no, that went wrong because we voted yes… it’ll be the same either way.
His heart is a yes, his head says no…. although from our last chat I’d say his heart is winning :)
there was some english professor from LSE on d rajio yesterday going on about the fallacy and fantasy of the referendum, how salmond was deluded and painting this nightmare scenario for scotland if the yes vote goes through. i couldn’t help think that if i was scottish listening to that i’d vote yes for spite. his biggest objection was that the union could be ended on the say of 5% of its population, which made me chuckle.
Let’s hope if Scotland do vote for independence they’ll do a better job of it than the piss-poor attempts of successive irish governments and their gullible electorate.
The biggest recession in the country’s history and it voted in Enda Kenny for change.
Muppets.
Considering the choices, it was and still is, the best option, as bad as that may be.
What would have been your preferred election outcome, party in power and Taoisaech?
So you wanted to leave FF in charge to clean things up ?
Like it or not, FG have dragged, many of us kicking and screaming, out of the shite FF put us in.
@Flashman
I’ll take a bad Irish Government, over a bad British Government, every time.
Here’s one for ya…..
If Northern Ireland voted to rejoin the 26 counties tomorrow, and in its current financial mess, do we have to take it? …just wondering….
Some might call that heartless, anti-nationalist, anti-Irish or some other similar bollocks, but then again I like to put pragmatism before the heart.
From a financial aspect, I think we would be made to take it back
Of course we take it. Europe doesn’t want a rump state on its western edge, and it will support us.
Some Unionists/Loyalists will move to Britain, as happened after 26 county independence. So the whole “employment shortage” up there won’t be as bad as people fear. A few numpties want to drag the island backwards; we can’t let them dictate the narrative.
Much as we shouldn’t be letting Fianna Fáil be the only party to commemorate the 1916 Rising annually. Or we shouldn’t be allowing the tri-colour to be hijacked.