O’Connell Street, Dublin
Via Conor Humphries, Sam Boal/Photocall Ireland)
Athlone town, Co Westmeath.
Thanks Anne Kyle
Sligo town, Co Sligo.
Thanks RW
Waterford town, Co Waterford.
Thanks Murtles
Dundalk, Co Louth
Via James Reilly
Phibsborough, Dublin 7 (top) and Kathleen Burne from same.
(Sam Boal/Photocall Ireland)
Portarlington, Co Laois.
Via Barry Keegan
The Square, Maynooth, Co Kildare.
Navan Road, Cabra Dublin.
Thanks Simon Geraghty
Protestors passing Tallaght hospital (above) and Tallaght by-pass (top).
Thanks Ciaran and Rita Ann Harrold
Donnybrook, Dublin 4.
Thanks Stephen Browne
Bandon, Co Cork.
Via Cormac O’D
Protesters arriving at St Agnes’ Church, Dublin 12 (top) while the end of the march remains at Our Lady’s Church (above) half a km away.
Thanks Frilly Keane
Swords, Co Dublin.
Thanks Graeme Kelly
Galway city, Co Galway.
Thanks Barry Devlin and GMIT Students’ Union
Blessington, Co Wicklow.
Ringsend, Dublin 4.
Thanks Norm
Blanchardstown, Dublin 15.
Thanks Ciaran
Market Square, Castlebar, Co Mayo.
Via Enda Costello
Marching? Snaps to broadsheet@broadsheet.ie.
Meanwhile…
Defiant Detroit today.
The Detroit Water Brigade demo in solidarity with Irish water protestors.
Live stream here
The usual crowd of degenerates then.
You complete and total fupping moron. You’ve the attitude of a 2 year old and make about as much sense, oh, and you’re a scumbag bigot.
He/she is more to be pitied than despised.
I felt like I was at Mass reading that :)
I always laugh when i see this sort of response.
Broadsheet is supposed to be the home of the liberal thought process. Yet a single troll comment gets people not only clutching their pearls but throwing the abuse around like The Towers at closing time.
It’s the same as everything else. Live and let Live, as long as you’re willing to live like Us.
Broadsheet is supposed to be the “home of liberal thought process”? Since when?
Since they started tailoring posts to you Ms Winder.
What posts have been “tailored to people” like me? And how does that make it the home of the liberal thought process? Oh and also what’s the “liberal thought process”?
I guess rotide assumes that if we are against water charges, we must be liberal. I have some liberal tendencies, but I certainly wouldn’t describe myself as liberal through-and-through.
It’s the same as the argument that we must all be left-leaning, so why are we suddenly against taxes? I am left-leaning, but a tax that doesn’t take into account your wage is not a tax that I (nor any other left-leaning person) would happily subscribe to.
The previous system (where we all paid taxes related to our income that paid for water) was a far fairer system. Of course, conservation is definitely an issue, as well as an antiquated system, but one that could surely be solved within paying taxes based on how much you earn.
rotide phrase it badly but it is definitely true that Broadsheet commenters struggle with playing the man rather than the ball.
The vehemence & personal nastiness that so often go with stating an opposing decision/approach/attitude (not really including the initial attempt to troll – ‘degenerates’) gives you a good ida what it was like not to be Catholic in Ireland back in the day.
‘Conservation is definitely an issue, as well as an antiquated system, but one that could surely be solved within paying taxes based on how much you earn.’
Eliot Rosewater, how does that make any sense? Conservation issues are not addressed by income-based charges, they clearly need to be tied to consumption.
My bet is that once the current charges are introduced, you will see people across the board being more careful about usage – leaky taps & pipes fixed, low-volume flushing etc.
Take that 100million spent on consultants and instead invest 5m into awareness programs for the conservation of water which would last 20 years and you would have got far better results if indeed conservation is the main aim.
People keep coming back with the “only want something for free” argument when it is plain to see the arrogance of government in setting this whole debacle up. And it’s an obvious quango. Massive salaries with no responsibility included. The same old same old. Government couldn’t even be bothered to dress it up a bit to make it more palatable.
Look at the shady dealings going on as well. The permission for PPS numbers to be used hidden and not debated in a social welfare bill. The obvious plans to privatize it when the people of the country have paid for its restoration and installation of meters and all the other far too many coincidences involving DOB.
And it was expected that people would just roll over and take it.
“My bet is that once the current charges are introduced, you will see people across the board being more careful about usage – leaky taps & pipes fixed, low-volume flushing etc.”
Is it not the case that the majority of water waste occurs due to the state of the public water infrastructure rather than domestic waste?
Ah for fuxsake Cluster, you just repeated Michael Noonan’s theory on how stupid and wasteful the people are! As if we all leave the taps running and can’t help ourselves to turn off our utilities because we’re so addicted to them and they really control us? Here’s Gene Kerrigan debunking that same idiotic thought stream.
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/gene-kerrigan/were-not-the-wasters-mr-noonan-30710511.html
Seriously now, what in the hell is that other comment about? “…gives you a good ida what it was like not to be Catholic in Ireland back in the day.”
Are you saying that you are some sort of religious martyr?
We’re not all Catholics on here, or in real life.
It makes you sound like you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder and does you no favours. And I won’t call you names like “Blueshirt” or “FG Shill” because there’s been enough of that sort of thing on here.
@Italia’90
Kerrigan doesn’t debunk anything in that article so far as I can see.
People generally are wasteful with a resource if there is no cost attached to it and the truth is that we have no authoritative idea how much water is being lost/wasted once water goes into private property.
And yes, a huge amount of water is lost from our crumbling water infrastructure. Part of the reason that there has been no drive to change that is that we generally (the councils, the state nor the individual citizens) assigned a value to that water. It was bundled up generally with the cost of running the councils and there was no over-arching body/person with the incentive nor the knowledge to do something about it.
On the ‘Catholic’ comment, I am not suggesting that I am some sort of martyr, On a lot of issues, my views are fairly mainstream on Broadsheet. I do notice, however, that those with dissenting viewpoints are often shouted down & dismissed in a personal fashion by those holding the ‘right’ opinions. This is similar to what would have happened to an overt aetheist a few decades ago.There is little point replacing one hide-bound narrow view of the world with another.
say what you really feel :-)
My toes sore and I’m a little hungover.
A bit embarrassed then by your earlier response?
You know what, I take it all back Munkifisht :)
Shoulda said you were hungover, I’d have helped with the shouting!
You forgot to slag the penneys clothes and no one got jobs to go to.
Why do they all look so visibly poor? Decent dress sense doesn’t cost that much. And whats with the techno Viking lad leading the charge in one pic.
Maybe cos they are poor, tard
That certainly seems to be the attitude of the government to the voters, yes.
Young Fine Gael Counter-Insurgency Strike Eagle Comment Force – ASSEMBLE!
Oh look, a counter opinion. Must be a team of paid shills!
And you’re the worst of them, fart breath. But in fairness yizzer all out in force today what with the ongoing DEFCON scenario.
Hey look, its coleman sheehy.
so hot right now
You’re thinking of the mustard.
Look like the usual strangers to soap.
Hey Banotti …nothing remotely usual about this crowd. …
Where’s the “Down with this sort of thing” banner? Reckon a high percentage of the “marchers” are just out for a stroll on a nice day. Another decent percentage are just along for the ride hoping for a bit of bother to break out.
Your comment belies your name
that’s utter bollocks
there was a good couple of thousand people out for the DL march and the weather was shitty
dontcha worry, enda joan noonan and hogan were all called out and informed of their fate
watch the rats scurry and spin next week
You’re going to have trouble spouting that one with a straight face when the full extent of the protests becomes apparent.
Not much insight displayed there. The weather was hardly conducive to a nice stroll today.
Enda, Joan… You’re fired!
Photo one : Bad idea letting the baby write it’s own banner.
It does surprise me how much the Irish people were willing to take before they realised the power of their own voice. It would have been brilliant if we had done this at the time of bailouts and bondholders. Delighted though to see people on protesting for something. Hopefully the impetus won’t end here. The country is sickly corrupt and in dire need of serious political overhaul.
+ 1. This is just the start, a long time coming.
Indeed. Better late than never!
Yeah, it’s not really about the water charges. It’s a culmination of everything over the last few years.
+200bn!
I wish you were right, munkifisht.
Sadly, I suspect people are not protesting for serious political overhaul. They are not protesting about the manner that water charges have been implemented. They are just protesting that FF won a few votes by abolishing water charges and they’ve got pretty used to not paying it.
Arguments about water conservation or water infrastructure don’t hold much weight for the mass of us, I think. ‘I’m not paying’ sums it up.
Hey look. A Sinn Fein poster promoting violence. Who’da thunk it.
Idiot.
jasus is that the best you can do?
try again
are these Waterford folk on their way to hound more Romanys?
That second photo is damaging to the Sinn Fein image.
OK , so lots of folk don’t want to pay any more – that’s a choice. There is a logic to saying ‘no more tax’ . But don’t come looking for more spending in health, education , social support or anything else. Low tax and low spending has a logic. Personaly I’d prefer to pay more and support state spending. The bit that is not acceptable is ” I won’t pay, someone else can pick up the tab”.
Spending on health, education, social support etc is good. Spending on bonuses for Irish Water staff, not so good.
The bonuses issue is a bit of a red-herring. Performance-related pay is a feature of many industries.
Are the Irish Water employees being paid too much? I don’t know what they typically earn but pointing to the fact that they can be paid bonuses proves nothing.
Given how squeezed people have been, without major ructions, this seems counter-intuitive. People have been willing to pay, more and more, through the nose and then some. Waste, cronyism, incompetence and an overwhelming sense of being taken completely for granted play more of a part, I suspect.
Also, increasingly, momentum. This is starting to feel like a winnable fight.
Heres where you make a ***t of yourself. Again.
There is no spending in healthcare, education and other infrastructure because all the spending, now and for the next thirty years is on PAYROLL.
And Irish Water is just another funded ATM for those who are incapable of cushy 6 figure incomes for life anywhere else.
Eg. Phil Hogan.
And when Irish Water is sold off … Will the “buyer” be keeping up those salaries allowances pension promises with the workforce he inherits? Will he the fat füpp füpp. We will.
Its a scam
That’s for Geoff Hogan
You are an idiot.
Perhaps.
But I’m the one laughing at you.
well it takes one to know one
Well said Frilly!
Frilly, your point makes little sense.
There is no doubt that the govt (both the prev and the exg) have been too quick to cut capital expenditure rather than salary costs but ‘PAYROLL’ is a fundamental part of health, education, etc.
Nurses, teachers, water engineers, etc. all cost money. And a relatively dmall proportion of them (and their other PS colleagues) are on six-figure sums.
Geoff
that idea works if the money is well spent, as in its spent for the fair benefit of you, me and every citizen in the country in a transparent
but it’s not
I believe if you support the idea of Irish Water Inc. you are supporting the idea of commoditising a resource to the end benefit of some Goldman Sachs employee cnut
your jacks at home will enable the extraction of a few pence from your pocket into some fatcats hand everytime you take a shite…think about that
it’s a privatisation scam
our political system is broken, right now it’s just a trojan for this kind of scam
IMO
Bondholders bondholders bondholders.
n thanks t’ Martco I’ll be thinking of all those Bondholders and Sutherlands every time I read the sticker on the cisterns here
” (if its yellow let it mellow). WHEN ITS BROWN FLUSH IT DOWN.”
I love the way they go the right way around the roundabout at Tallaght hospital.
on another note, fair dos.
Teeny correction if ye dont mind.
D12 Arrives at St Agnes Church while the rear guard is still at Our Ladies (Hospital For Sick Children)
My second pic is Crumlin Cross / Ashleaf as Hooch ( the biggest horn dog in Stannaway Park) and his Daddy reaches The Cherry Tree Walkinstown Roundybout
Shame you guys missed the “tiocfaid ar la” banner at the Galway protest. Says it all.
Is Feidir Linn
Abu
It’s a sad reality that any protest going will attract the usual baandwagonning Socialist Worker/Sinn Fein crowd. The difference here is the sheer numbers. If you think you can pin this all on troublemaking Shinners, you’re dreaming.
Whats your problem realPoliticks. Is there something too real about the politik expressed in the poster. If anything we should be glad that some of the shinners are honest about their motivation.
its nothing but a commoditisation scam sponsored by your government
air tax next followed by maybe by a right to live beyond 60 tax (sorry sorry)
another revenue stream for city bankers who certainly don’t live in your jurisdiction
Good idea. The fiery ritual of Carousel! Renewal for all at 60!
Well done to all involved
Oh dear. Sorry Broadsheet. I’m always loath to mention another site.
But.
Back in the dial up days, that’s pre iShit WiFi for all ye Y-Gen Social Meeja babies. There was a site called Clarehurlers.com
I was mod there.
Anyone who recalls it. Remember Young Kenny?
Banotti. You’re not new.
You have dementia. I’ve never posted on any site related to hurling or Clare.
No. But Blue Shirt Puppets did.
Banotti you appear to be a jerk.
Dublin says yes, lol. Apparently not, d*******d
instead of playing the lotto, pay your water bill (about a fiver a week).
sometimes too much sense hurts.
Delusional
Happily.
Üpp if I’m paying for another rotten quango’brien and consultants reports and and and and
Irish Water is a scam
LOL Banotti/Spork thinks the prices will be the same when privatised and we live in a world of water futures
fpp…anyone know the stock symbol for Irish Water? (I’m sure Hogan does)
must get onto me broker now
:)
ieH2o’Brien
10 million people turned out in Cork. We won’t stop now until EVERYONE has Roscommon standard water for free.
So far. Going by my back of the fag box sums from the round up posted.
We’r looking at closer to 300 thousand than 200 thousand.
RTE reckon 130K but of course you will come out with some sort of pravda or O’Brien mouthpiece nonsense.
The organisers usually quadruple their crowds so I will say 50K to be kind.
Shoulda gone to specsavers..
RTE are reporting that 130 turned out…
Neither the organisers nor the people they’re protesting against are reliable when it comes to numbers attending a protest.
The group being protested against is the Irish government. “RTÉ is a statutory body, run by a board appointed by the Government of Ireland” (Wikipedia). You think they’re reliable when it comes to counting attendees of an anti-government protest? You’ve been accused of being a government shill. You’re certainly making it difficult not to believe that.
So you’re saying RTE are faking the truth and creating news to support the government? What wank.
RTE has a generally pro-government line. That’s not to say that they are “faking the truth” or “creating news”. It merely means that they often report events in a way that is favourable to the government. I can think of numerous examples of this.
You’re some man to twist people’s words.
@jungleman
How has Kieran NYC twisted anyone’s words here?
The clear implication of Tom Stewart’s post was that RTE downplayed the marching figures to support the govt.
RTE is definitely taking a pro-government stance on this. I couldn’t believe my ears during the week when Pat Rabitte was treated with kid gloves on Morning Ireland, followed shortly by Richard Boyd Barrett who was subjected to an abrasive grilling. There was nothing subtle about it, you couldn’t but notice.
@cluster.. There is a difference between spin and lies as you are well aware. Tom was clearly referring to the former, as you essentially pointed out yourself. Kieran NYC twisted Tom’s words into an accusation that RTE is telling lies, rather than merely conveying the facts in a manner that favours the government, i.e. spin.
Tom wasn’t referring merely to spin. He suggested that the marching numbers were being deliberately misstated by RTE.
That would be a lie rather than merely spin.
Ah come on now. Are you being deliberately ignorant? RTE has the option to give a conservative estimate of the protest numbers as there is no definitive measure of the numbers. They are not lying but they are being selective in how they report events where such a legitimate option arises. In this case they made a conservative estimate.
Hurrah.
First the Guildford Four and now water? No way.
well done to the irish pwople who marched today. just remember to ignore the fine gael fupping tossers who get paid to troll broadsheet.
They will always vote for da party, just like mammy and daddy tell them to.
2,000 turned out in Phil Hogan’s home city of Kilkenny. Here is a video of it with a bit of Ronnie Drew and Padraig Pearse thrown into the mix- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RT3jb5AlCk&feature=youtu.be
I’m with Sinn Fein on this issue. After 800 years of rain we deserve free dutch gold or something.
Except in Norn Iron where the feckin Brits left Us Ourselves to work it out and hey, Water Charges aren’t such a bad thing after all
The Detroit shutoffs and protests are worth a read.
http://m.wsj.com/articles/detroits-water-cutoffs-spark-protests-1405714429?mobile=y
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/24/canadians-deliver-water-to-protest-detroit-shutoffs/13130625/
thanks for that.a good read
also
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-vampire-squid-strikes-again-the-mega-banks-most-devious-scam-yet-20140212
Power to the people!
Fair play to the protesters! This Government need a kick up the hole
…are you anything to Mary….@Banotti? An embarassing third cousin’s nephew doesn’t count…don’t hold your breath for the Seanad.
If you’re heading to Lanzarote this winter and there happens to be a touch of frosty weather at home – make sure to turn all the taps in the house. This will keep your uninsulated pipes from bursting.
It’s often, was often, reported of marches on the continent where 100,000 turn out, in countries like Spain and France, countries with populations of 47m and 66m respectively… and you hear it on here, look at that, look at those numbers…. well fupp them!
For 150,000 to turn out in a country with a population of 4.6m that’s numberwang sh*t right there !
Huuuge like !
Fair play to all who turned out… didn’t make that one myself.
Off topic nitpicking, I know, but here goes. 4.6mill is the population of the larger of our two states. The population of the country is 6.3mill+.
Still good point though. Consider sentiments echoed.
Also when you take into account the awful weather across the country on the day, it really was a massive turnout.
Although in fairness numbers where hugely swelled due to the Clery’s sale, which is quite obvious in the first picture.
Did I just misspell were?
You were missed.
But everyone understood you were very very busy
;)
Ming was in flying form this morning on Sean O’Rourke. He let Aurthur Spring have it for Labour’s cravenness on the entire issue – particularly their refusal to entertain his questions way back about the appointment of John Tierney.