WTF has that got to do with it? Not very bright are you?
Gokkers
His whites probably are.
realPolithicks
Pot, kettle, black etc.
Tom Joad
Excellent intervention. Let the castration of Catholic Ireland continue apace.
funman
Your impotence must be a torture you endure daily. But at least you have the internet. Onward, my brave soldier….
Useless Failure
Jesus is back.
And he’s pissed.
Mikeyfex
ha
Glat
Was there a bike locked to it?
Soundings
Priceless :-0)
Diddley Aye
Damn straight. While they’re at it theres a good few carved Celtic crosses need tumbling. Oh and I hear Brazils got a statue of Holy God that has no place in a secular democracy.
Custo
Yeah, because that’s exactly the same thing Mr. Strawman.
Diddley Aye
And the difference is?
Always Wright
Some things are of cultural, architectural or artistic merit. Some things are scrap metal from the era of floral orange wallpaper and ugly bungalows.
Nice bit of snobbery there. A cross that is “scrap metal from the era of floral orange wallpaper and ugly bungalows” has some cultural merit. A reminder, good or bad, of a past Ireland. You don’t like it. Fine. That’s the end.
chimpy
That is a pretty powerful bit of vandalism and a strong message to the church.
Hashtag Diversity
Yes, the Vatican will close tomorrow, and it’s a great boost to the Yes side in the same-sex marriage referendum. Duh.
Sancho
I’m all for it. Public property. If you have a cross, why not emblems of other religions? Oh right, cos Ireland is a catholic country and we should use our public property to address the religious desires of the majority only. Not sure people would play that card if Ireland ceased to be an apparently catholic country. But who cares? Let’s get that cross back up!!! Ideally using taxpayer money.
Alfred E. Neumann
Can one thing be strewn?
huppenstop
Haha!
Parky Mark
It’s an eyesore and has no place on the top of a mountain in this day and age.
Agreed a statue of Barney standing on one leg atop a Scandanavian designed plastic chair moulded from Kim Kardasian’s hoop would be more fitting with this age
ahyeah
I quite like the sound of that. Could you do a sketch?
KirkenBrenner
Good riddance indeed.
Gotta admire the fact that someone put in the time and effort to get up there and do this.
Always Wright
I always thought the whole thing of putting a cross on top of a mountain was a bit odd. Was it to remind people that they are that bit closer to heaven than they were at ground level? Or to convince them that god (deliberate lowercase g, because I’m a bit controversial) made the view they’re admiring? Or to ensure that those living at the foothills have a constant reminder that god (yeah, I don’t care) is watching them?
Anyway, I’m glad it’s gone. Will they need planning permission to erect a new one?
veritas
Any chance of doing the phoenix park cross next,we were promised it would be removed when jp2 left.
Always Wright
I’m not old enough to remember JP2’s visit.
I’m sure you’re right though. I’ll meet you at the cross in half an hour with an angle grinder and a sledgehammer.
Meh, the Eiffel tower was supposed to be dismantled in 1909.
Starina
are you really comparing this very plain chunk of metal with the eiffel tower? it’s not art, it’s an imposition.
pedeyw
No, I was comparing the papal cross in the Phoenix park to Eiffel tower. They said that about the Eiffel tower, too. I actually don’t like it much but I don’t care enough to demand its destruction
Spaghetti Hoop
Not a hope. Emmet Stagg is keeping vigil at it.
Diddley Aye
Probably like towers in medieval Italy or minarets in Muslim countries, a demonstration of piety and “my ones bigger than yours”. Who cares, its a part of our history, most of the people involved are dead and you can decide for yourself what it represents. I always wonder about people who want to airbrush history, why are they so threatened now and why do they feel so brave when the fighting is over.
Btw, I hope for your social wellbeing you dont seriously think you’re being controversial with the lowercase
god an all.
mauriac
yes its a fairly basic symbol putting a cross on the biggest hill in Ireland and like post communist countries getting rid of Lenin statues or post independence Ireland melting down Victoria statues a bit of iconoclasm can be healthy… fair play to the anonymous Hezekiah
Kath
Well said. If anyone’s really interested in not airbrushing history that we should just leave it up there as is, to symbolise the fall of the church in Ireland (and globally).
mountainyyeah
Kath – the church has more members today than at any time in it’s history. Hardly falling.
cluster
Mountainyeah, of course it does.
The world had 1 billion people in 1804 and there are 7 billion today.
In relative terms (particularly in terms of power and influence), I’d suspect the Church is still dying.
DD
Big time. It’s a bitch of a walk and I done it on a perfect July afternoon. Fair play.
To my mind, erecting a crucifix in a site of great natural beauty is itself vandalism.
realPolithicks
The devil made them do it…
mountainyyeah
Same kind of sniggering that accompanies the theft of relics, etc from churches. Some people have a blind spot where church history is of no relevance to Irish history.
(What, you think they never tried? You have to make your own entertainment down home lad…)
Alfred E. Neumann
I wonder what kind of update they are hoping to post when they get there. “Cross still down, but hundreds of smaller crosses have sprouted from the ground where it lies. It’s a Christmas miracle!”
Mani
I imagine the cross will be back up in, oh, about three days.
Diddley Aye
Brilliant. Divine even.
Sido
A few blessed bingo drives would surely finance this good work
ahyeah
Will there be an easter egg?
Atlas
Not sure how I feel about this. I’m all for dismantling the church’s power in Irish society, but tearing down monuments feels like erasing history. I also don’t like the fact that one individual took it upon him/herself to take it down, presumably without any input from the local community.
‘Tis the same as those that would remove traces of when Ireland was part of the UK, when many Irish people were delighted that hero like Wellington had spring from these shores (the oft-quoted line about a stable was never said by the man himself but by O’Connell)
Gokkers
Say one act of corrosion, 1 rail Mary and a Glory Fe : /
Quite impressive when you think someone put the effort into carrying up a petrol angle grinder, probably a con-saw, to the summit of the highest point in Ireland.
It’s not like he climbed a rock face (there’s a marked path) but it’s still a fair walk carrying a con-saw. Presumably in the dark, since that’s not as deserted a part of the world as you’d think and sound carries…
Fredtheninja
you’ve clearly never done this climb. There’s 8 marked paths, all coming from different angles. Every one of them is dangerous to varying degrees during the day, let alone at night time. Whoever did this was a local with good climbing knowledge. Also, there is no life whatsoever for a few kilometres from the peak.
pedeyw
Probably barefoot. Having fasted for a day.
gerry
There are battery operated angle grinders available.
Speaking of our Lord and savior, anyone list to John ‘Preposterous’ Ryan on RTE business talking BS, I mean Broadsheet. If anyone deserves a cuddle, its you John.
What sane person wants/needs to be reminded of our shameful subservience to the Catholic Church?
Cut down ALL the crosses, (and burn ALL the flags while you’re at it).
They only serve as instruments of division, and have no place in a civilised World.
Diddley Aye
Like I referred to above, would you include Christ the Redeemer on the cutting list. What are you, the Unreligious Police
pedeyw
I think you’re confusing cause and symptom. People are very good at finding reasons to hate each other.
Alfred E. Neumann
It always baffles m that people don’t get this.
cluster
You’re right, Fergus. We need to get back to Year Zero without any of this complicated, ambivalent muck which is our inheritance from the past.
You start rounding up the priests and I’ll herd up the lads with glasses.
Fergus O'Leprosy
PS.
And don’t get me started on what I think of people who hold religious beliefs, of ANY persuasion.
-If you want to waste your life like that, so be it, but don’t expect me not to laugh at you.
sickofallthisbs
You should hear what they say about you, you obnoxious shit.
Derek
There was a papal cross erected in Cusco, Peru when Pope JP II visited. It was later torn down as the catholic church lost favour.
I’m waiting for the one in the Phoenix Park to be removed.
veritas
Speaking of vandalism does anyone remember the news item from 1976 about someone defacing Ireland’s highest mountain with a couple of rusty girders
deliverancecountry
Jesus woz ere
cluster
It should stay as it captures the apex of a movement of significant social significance at the time. The move away from the church was really just beginning to gather some small amount if momentum then.
It should stay, just as the Wellington monument should stay.
Gokkers
They won’t take this lying down….
…gonna have to cut it up.
CousinJack
No big water protests today, must have been the sinster elements at work
(read it in the sindo tomorrow!)
Gooch
Not only is it the highest mountain in Ireland, tis also the highest mountain in Kerry.
I care what happens in Norn Iron about as must as I care about the Shetland islands.
cluster
You don’t become a true republic by unilaterally imposing your personal beliefs on the landscape and built environment around you.
Alfred E. Neumann
Does anyone know how this cross came to be put up?
Anne
Something to do with the pervasive catholic influence in Ireland..
Alfred E. Neumann
No doubt, but was it a lone Cistercian with girders to spare, or did someone get commissioned to put it there?
Anne
I’m not sure Alfred.. there was a wooden cross there from the 50s, which was probably rotting I suppose.
It’s supposed to mark the summit. The pinnacle of the climb.
Never did it myself. Was going to last summer with a bunch from the gym, but it meant getting up at 7am on a Saturday morning..I did a roll over instead. :)
ahyeah
Fantastic comments from Kerry cllr John Joe Culloty on this…. apparently it was “obviously the work of certain persons who want to bring this country towards godlessness and other abnormalities like gay sex”.
Wow. Up there with ISIS leading the water protests.
Kieran NYC
Be very wary of the opinions of anyone who uses two first names.
Art Garfunkel
I wish I’d heard this advice years ago.
Anne
Wow. Shocking he’s allowed get away with saying that in this day and age.
What exactly is gay sex anyway? Would that be the same type of sex straight couples partake in?
bagpuss55
yeah there should be a law against people expressing views that don’t jive with your p.c fundamentalist beliefs
#thoughtpolice
Owen
Gay sex is just like normal sex, but you smile more during it.
#nowyouknow
Casey
Sounds great…. there has been complaints from the missis about my ‘sex-face’
Let’s try a single straight girder and see how we feel.
cluster
It doesn’t have to be a cross and it seems unlikely that we will be building many crosses over the next century or so.
They doesn’t excuse this sort of fascist vandalism
Formerly known as @ireland.com
On the scale of criminality, destroying a cross ranks pretty low in comparison with the crimes of the Catholic Church. This cross is nothing more than a few pieces of metal bolted together. There is no god to be offended.
The RCC can put as many crosses as they get planning permission for, on their own land.
Or let’s try a cairn, like every other mountain does (often because the stones are put there by friends and family as markers for people who died on the mountain).
Inopro
it is an eyesore and a sign of an old archaic Ireland-why so quick to reinstate it?
cluster
‘Cause individual vandals don’t get the right to decide what parts of our history to whitewash.
Formerly known as @ireland.com
1976 – That was about the time one could call ‘Peak pedo protection’ by the RCC. I am happy to see it gone. It has no historical or cultural value. If it was any other structure, it would not have been allowed to have been erected. It should not be allowed to be replaced.
The RCC and their loyal followers needs to get the message that Ireland is not a theocracy. The Irish Taliban have lost power.
If you want to keep the cross at the Phoenix Park, how about making it a memorial to the victims of the RCC. Listing the names of the victims, or the places they were mistreated, at the base of it, would put things in perspective.
Inopro
i love this comment. spot on
Hashtag Diversity
@Labour have lost their power too. Ponder the reaction if the name-plate on the Rosie Hackett bridge was angle-grinded off.
Formerly known as @ireland.com
Let me know when Labour hide dozens of pedophiles. They will get their rewards at the next election.
Soundings
Probably not in the dozens, but as you know Labour and the Democratic Left merged in 1999. Democratic Left included Eamon Gilmore and Pat Rabbitte. Democratic Left was formed in 1992 when the Workers Party split. The Workers Party was intrinsically linked to the Official IRA, an organisation which was responsible for killings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seamus_Costello
(that’s the reason the Shinners occasionally taunt Labour about fake fivers in the Dail)
It’s certainly not beyond the realms of possibility that the Official IRA had its own paedophile and sexual abuse issues. How were they handled? Probably in the same manner as the IRA. They’d probably be on a smaller scale because of the relatively smaller size of the Official IRA compared with the Provisional IRA, but in principle, there’s likely to have been some cases comparable to the ones PIRA is presently accused of covering up.
Would it not just be as simple as some “scrap collectors” who cut it down with an angle grinder and then realised that it was too heavy and difficult to get down the mountain. Maybe they intended to come back and chop it up into manageable, moveable pieces for scrap?
Alfred E. Neumann
Whoever did had the equipment to cut through metal.
fits
you havent climbed that mountain, have you…
Langer
So carrauntoohil loses it’s most famour erection…… plenty up there in the dail that could replace it.
Hashtag Diversity
Why would anyone here seek to put a political justification (“we hate the RCC”) on a common act of criminality? That’s the propaganda machine of the terrorist at work. Oh, right.
Formerly known as @ireland.com
I have been up there, only once. It was a Mountain running race. I got to the top, looked around for about 10 seconds, then ran back down.
It is a great sport, well run in Ireland. The race to the top of Ireland is on May 31st:
Sat May 31 1:00 PM Carrauntoohil 1137m 12.50km 10/10 (difficulty)
I do not agree with what has been done but in the words of the church, now is the time for the healing to begin. So I vote they remove it (to keep it safe, like) to a more RCC friendly location and let nature take over the spot.
Good Riddance…
WHy?
Magdalene Laundries, paedophilia, homophobia.
An iron cross did all that?
WTF has that got to do with it? Not very bright are you?
His whites probably are.
Pot, kettle, black etc.
Excellent intervention. Let the castration of Catholic Ireland continue apace.
Your impotence must be a torture you endure daily. But at least you have the internet. Onward, my brave soldier….
Jesus is back.
And he’s pissed.
ha
Was there a bike locked to it?
Priceless :-0)
Damn straight. While they’re at it theres a good few carved Celtic crosses need tumbling. Oh and I hear Brazils got a statue of Holy God that has no place in a secular democracy.
Yeah, because that’s exactly the same thing Mr. Strawman.
And the difference is?
Some things are of cultural, architectural or artistic merit. Some things are scrap metal from the era of floral orange wallpaper and ugly bungalows.
So its about Ort now.
Take a look at this and stroke your chin for a while http://www.redbubble.com/people/amuigh-anseo/works/4417468-cross-on-carrauntoohil-corr-n-tuathail-1039m-kerry-ireland#zoom
Bitta silly string and we could have a year round thing of beauty
Deadly ;)
I liked the sound of floral orange wallpaper
Nice bit of snobbery there. A cross that is “scrap metal from the era of floral orange wallpaper and ugly bungalows” has some cultural merit. A reminder, good or bad, of a past Ireland. You don’t like it. Fine. That’s the end.
That is a pretty powerful bit of vandalism and a strong message to the church.
Yes, the Vatican will close tomorrow, and it’s a great boost to the Yes side in the same-sex marriage referendum. Duh.
I’m all for it. Public property. If you have a cross, why not emblems of other religions? Oh right, cos Ireland is a catholic country and we should use our public property to address the religious desires of the majority only. Not sure people would play that card if Ireland ceased to be an apparently catholic country. But who cares? Let’s get that cross back up!!! Ideally using taxpayer money.
Can one thing be strewn?
Haha!
It’s an eyesore and has no place on the top of a mountain in this day and age.
Agreed a statue of Barney standing on one leg atop a Scandanavian designed plastic chair moulded from Kim Kardasian’s hoop would be more fitting with this age
I quite like the sound of that. Could you do a sketch?
Good riddance indeed.
Gotta admire the fact that someone put in the time and effort to get up there and do this.
I always thought the whole thing of putting a cross on top of a mountain was a bit odd. Was it to remind people that they are that bit closer to heaven than they were at ground level? Or to convince them that god (deliberate lowercase g, because I’m a bit controversial) made the view they’re admiring? Or to ensure that those living at the foothills have a constant reminder that god (yeah, I don’t care) is watching them?
Anyway, I’m glad it’s gone. Will they need planning permission to erect a new one?
Any chance of doing the phoenix park cross next,we were promised it would be removed when jp2 left.
I’m not old enough to remember JP2’s visit.
I’m sure you’re right though. I’ll meet you at the cross in half an hour with an angle grinder and a sledgehammer.
you’re going to need a bigger bike.
;)
Meh, the Eiffel tower was supposed to be dismantled in 1909.
are you really comparing this very plain chunk of metal with the eiffel tower? it’s not art, it’s an imposition.
No, I was comparing the papal cross in the Phoenix park to Eiffel tower. They said that about the Eiffel tower, too. I actually don’t like it much but I don’t care enough to demand its destruction
Not a hope. Emmet Stagg is keeping vigil at it.
Probably like towers in medieval Italy or minarets in Muslim countries, a demonstration of piety and “my ones bigger than yours”. Who cares, its a part of our history, most of the people involved are dead and you can decide for yourself what it represents. I always wonder about people who want to airbrush history, why are they so threatened now and why do they feel so brave when the fighting is over.
Btw, I hope for your social wellbeing you dont seriously think you’re being controversial with the lowercase
god an all.
yes its a fairly basic symbol putting a cross on the biggest hill in Ireland and like post communist countries getting rid of Lenin statues or post independence Ireland melting down Victoria statues a bit of iconoclasm can be healthy… fair play to the anonymous Hezekiah
Well said. If anyone’s really interested in not airbrushing history that we should just leave it up there as is, to symbolise the fall of the church in Ireland (and globally).
Kath – the church has more members today than at any time in it’s history. Hardly falling.
Mountainyeah, of course it does.
The world had 1 billion people in 1804 and there are 7 billion today.
In relative terms (particularly in terms of power and influence), I’d suspect the Church is still dying.
Big time. It’s a bitch of a walk and I done it on a perfect July afternoon. Fair play.
Admiration for vandalism… riiiiight…
To my mind, erecting a crucifix in a site of great natural beauty is itself vandalism.
The devil made them do it…
Same kind of sniggering that accompanies the theft of relics, etc from churches. Some people have a blind spot where church history is of no relevance to Irish history.
It’s not a blind spot, nobody gives a f**k!
You just confirmed his point. Well done genius.
Ouch! ;)
Further proof, if proof were needed, that the country is being overrun by godless Marxist-Leninist-Trotskyist-JoeHigginsist-Jihadist hooligans.
Probably the work of the blackphones. Damn them and their threat to our island democracy.
When it comes to the farmers revolting I’ll be expecting a gathering of massed-ISIS!
I’ll get me coat
That funny’s been waiting a century to see the light of day. I doff my cap to you sir (or madam, apparently women can be funny too)
apparently women can be funny too
Have you just met a woman for the first time recently or were you always a misogynist?
Ah BS, come on… how about we let Ann decide for herself if my comment (removed) was offensive or not?
I take it all back Annie, you’re a hoot!
Sounds better than the priest ridden hell hole it was before
@Soundings
You say it, like it is a bad thing.
If you attach rubber bands to the two arms, you could probably hit Cork city with a boulder.
I like your thinking. perfect crossbow.
No, you can’t.
(What, you think they never tried? You have to make your own entertainment down home lad…)
I wonder what kind of update they are hoping to post when they get there. “Cross still down, but hundreds of smaller crosses have sprouted from the ground where it lies. It’s a Christmas miracle!”
I imagine the cross will be back up in, oh, about three days.
Brilliant. Divine even.
A few blessed bingo drives would surely finance this good work
Will there be an easter egg?
Not sure how I feel about this. I’m all for dismantling the church’s power in Irish society, but tearing down monuments feels like erasing history. I also don’t like the fact that one individual took it upon him/herself to take it down, presumably without any input from the local community.
This
Exactly.
‘Tis the same as those that would remove traces of when Ireland was part of the UK, when many Irish people were delighted that hero like Wellington had spring from these shores (the oft-quoted line about a stable was never said by the man himself but by O’Connell)
Say one act of corrosion, 1 rail Mary and a Glory Fe : /
Oh the iron-y!
Nailed it
You’ve cut to the crux of it.
Couldn’t bear that.
Rust in Peace.
Quite impressive when you think someone put the effort into carrying up a petrol angle grinder, probably a con-saw, to the summit of the highest point in Ireland.
No. Not really.
It’s not like he climbed a rock face (there’s a marked path) but it’s still a fair walk carrying a con-saw. Presumably in the dark, since that’s not as deserted a part of the world as you’d think and sound carries…
you’ve clearly never done this climb. There’s 8 marked paths, all coming from different angles. Every one of them is dangerous to varying degrees during the day, let alone at night time. Whoever did this was a local with good climbing knowledge. Also, there is no life whatsoever for a few kilometres from the peak.
Probably barefoot. Having fasted for a day.
There are battery operated angle grinders available.
Today’s stories had it as a con saw alright…
Speaking of our Lord and savior, anyone list to John ‘Preposterous’ Ryan on RTE business talking BS, I mean Broadsheet. If anyone deserves a cuddle, its you John.
Great interview.
http://www.rte.ie/radio1/the-business/
So do the employees of New York Dog.
Historic value my ass!
What sane person wants/needs to be reminded of our shameful subservience to the Catholic Church?
Cut down ALL the crosses, (and burn ALL the flags while you’re at it).
They only serve as instruments of division, and have no place in a civilised World.
Like I referred to above, would you include Christ the Redeemer on the cutting list. What are you, the Unreligious Police
I think you’re confusing cause and symptom. People are very good at finding reasons to hate each other.
It always baffles m that people don’t get this.
You’re right, Fergus. We need to get back to Year Zero without any of this complicated, ambivalent muck which is our inheritance from the past.
You start rounding up the priests and I’ll herd up the lads with glasses.
PS.
And don’t get me started on what I think of people who hold religious beliefs, of ANY persuasion.
-If you want to waste your life like that, so be it, but don’t expect me not to laugh at you.
You should hear what they say about you, you obnoxious shit.
There was a papal cross erected in Cusco, Peru when Pope JP II visited. It was later torn down as the catholic church lost favour.
I’m waiting for the one in the Phoenix Park to be removed.
Speaking of vandalism does anyone remember the news item from 1976 about someone defacing Ireland’s highest mountain with a couple of rusty girders
Jesus woz ere
It should stay as it captures the apex of a movement of significant social significance at the time. The move away from the church was really just beginning to gather some small amount if momentum then.
It should stay, just as the Wellington monument should stay.
They won’t take this lying down….
…gonna have to cut it up.
No big water protests today, must have been the sinster elements at work
(read it in the sindo tomorrow!)
Not only is it the highest mountain in Ireland, tis also the highest mountain in Kerry.
Tear down the relics of the past.
Ireland is becoming a true republic.
Leave your superstition and icons of repression in your churches.
Keep them out of my eyeline.
Planning permission to put it back up??
Hope so, I will be quick to write my objection letter.
Take your message to West Belfast and preach. I’ll get the popcorn.
I’m only worried about the republic.
Where people pay their taxes in euros.
I care what happens in Norn Iron about as must as I care about the Shetland islands.
You don’t become a true republic by unilaterally imposing your personal beliefs on the landscape and built environment around you.
Does anyone know how this cross came to be put up?
Something to do with the pervasive catholic influence in Ireland..
No doubt, but was it a lone Cistercian with girders to spare, or did someone get commissioned to put it there?
I’m not sure Alfred.. there was a wooden cross there from the 50s, which was probably rotting I suppose.
It’s supposed to mark the summit. The pinnacle of the climb.
Never did it myself. Was going to last summer with a bunch from the gym, but it meant getting up at 7am on a Saturday morning..I did a roll over instead. :)
Fantastic comments from Kerry cllr John Joe Culloty on this…. apparently it was “obviously the work of certain persons who want to bring this country towards godlessness and other abnormalities like gay sex”.
Wow. Up there with ISIS leading the water protests.
Be very wary of the opinions of anyone who uses two first names.
I wish I’d heard this advice years ago.
Wow. Shocking he’s allowed get away with saying that in this day and age.
What exactly is gay sex anyway? Would that be the same type of sex straight couples partake in?
yeah there should be a law against people expressing views that don’t jive with your p.c fundamentalist beliefs
#thoughtpolice
Gay sex is just like normal sex, but you smile more during it.
#nowyouknow
Sounds great…. there has been complaints from the missis about my ‘sex-face’
In the reeks also on the top of Chruach Mhor there is a large grotto erected by a local man, story here http://gfmurphy101.wordpress.com/2013/07/11/mountains-of-ireland-cruach-mhor/ hope they don’t attempt to destroy this……
They might. Haters love to spread their hate.
ye’ll get no haters up there…bring yer coats!
Why does it have to be a cross??
Let’s try a single straight girder and see how we feel.
It doesn’t have to be a cross and it seems unlikely that we will be building many crosses over the next century or so.
They doesn’t excuse this sort of fascist vandalism
On the scale of criminality, destroying a cross ranks pretty low in comparison with the crimes of the Catholic Church. This cross is nothing more than a few pieces of metal bolted together. There is no god to be offended.
The RCC can put as many crosses as they get planning permission for, on their own land.
Or let’s try a cairn, like every other mountain does (often because the stones are put there by friends and family as markers for people who died on the mountain).
it is an eyesore and a sign of an old archaic Ireland-why so quick to reinstate it?
‘Cause individual vandals don’t get the right to decide what parts of our history to whitewash.
1976 – That was about the time one could call ‘Peak pedo protection’ by the RCC. I am happy to see it gone. It has no historical or cultural value. If it was any other structure, it would not have been allowed to have been erected. It should not be allowed to be replaced.
The RCC and their loyal followers needs to get the message that Ireland is not a theocracy. The Irish Taliban have lost power.
If you want to keep the cross at the Phoenix Park, how about making it a memorial to the victims of the RCC. Listing the names of the victims, or the places they were mistreated, at the base of it, would put things in perspective.
i love this comment. spot on
@Labour have lost their power too. Ponder the reaction if the name-plate on the Rosie Hackett bridge was angle-grinded off.
Let me know when Labour hide dozens of pedophiles. They will get their rewards at the next election.
Probably not in the dozens, but as you know Labour and the Democratic Left merged in 1999. Democratic Left included Eamon Gilmore and Pat Rabbitte. Democratic Left was formed in 1992 when the Workers Party split. The Workers Party was intrinsically linked to the Official IRA, an organisation which was responsible for killings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seamus_Costello
And other miscreancy, eg counterfeiting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seán_Garland
(that’s the reason the Shinners occasionally taunt Labour about fake fivers in the Dail)
It’s certainly not beyond the realms of possibility that the Official IRA had its own paedophile and sexual abuse issues. How were they handled? Probably in the same manner as the IRA. They’d probably be on a smaller scale because of the relatively smaller size of the Official IRA compared with the Provisional IRA, but in principle, there’s likely to have been some cases comparable to the ones PIRA is presently accused of covering up.
So there!
@Soundings
Now, that is a pretty long bow.
Rosie died in 1976.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_Hackett
Would it not just be as simple as some “scrap collectors” who cut it down with an angle grinder and then realised that it was too heavy and difficult to get down the mountain. Maybe they intended to come back and chop it up into manageable, moveable pieces for scrap?
Whoever did had the equipment to cut through metal.
you havent climbed that mountain, have you…
So carrauntoohil loses it’s most famour erection…… plenty up there in the dail that could replace it.
Why would anyone here seek to put a political justification (“we hate the RCC”) on a common act of criminality? That’s the propaganda machine of the terrorist at work. Oh, right.
I have been up there, only once. It was a Mountain running race. I got to the top, looked around for about 10 seconds, then ran back down.
It is a great sport, well run in Ireland. The race to the top of Ireland is on May 31st:
Sat May 31 1:00 PM Carrauntoohil 1137m 12.50km 10/10 (difficulty)
https://www.imra.ie/events/
I do not agree with what has been done but in the words of the church, now is the time for the healing to begin. So I vote they remove it (to keep it safe, like) to a more RCC friendly location and let nature take over the spot.
white messiah’s cant jump