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Megan Killan writes:
I picked up the latest copy of the UCC [University College Cork] Express today. It has an article by Elaine Healy-Rae, attacking Gerry Adams and making the claim that Adams “as a man, and as a party leader, has gotten away with too much.” While that claim might be true, the author’s second name might indicate that she’s not writing from an entirely neutral point of view.
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From the family that tried to legalize drink driving on country roads…
And the problem is? Nearly everyone recognises the Healy-Rae name. Should she use a pseudonym? Too many people hide behind a nom de plume – who is posting this comment?
And sure wouldn’t it suit you….etc.
Who are you?
While that claim might be true, the author’s second name might indicate that she asked someone to write it for her, she can’t be daylin’ with them quare auld compyoooshers.
Or, amazingly, it may be the case that the author is a bright human being who arrived at these conclusions alone. Country would be a whole lot better off if people quit passing judgement on how other people think just because of their names.
Odd how all the Shinners involved in the 1921 War of Independence were brave, selfless, heros whereas all those involved in the Northern troubles are dangerous, psychopathic criminals.
Nailed it in one!
Dan Breen & co. were ‘Roy of the Rovers’ style gallants, whereas Bobby Sands & co. were blood-thirsty scum in a big paedo conspiracy.
There’s an ex-Tan War FF TD in black & white footage on Youtube merrily chuckling about disappearing people.
In fact there’s an argument to be made that the 1969 IRA had greater cause to resort to arms than the 1916/Tan War generation.
i.e. The former were no worse off than the working-class of the rest of UK, and had c.100 MPs at Westminster, with Home Rule legislated for. The latter were trapped forever in a Gerrymandered Orange Statelet specifically set up to prevent them ever democratically getting power, and a convention was in place at Westminster that NI matters (eg their plight) could not be mentioned there!
As for the IRA containing scumbags, all regular armies do, despite their resources, so why wouldn’t a guerilla one? That goes for the 1916-23 Roys of the Rovers too.
Dan Breen & co. were ‘Roy of the Rovers’ style gallants, whereas Bobby Sands & co. were blood-thirsty scum in a big paedo conspiracy.
I sense you’re trying to be sarcastic but you’re actually spot on. Breen and Co were not drug runners, extortionists, protectors of child rapists, bank robbers, racketeers or self styled vigilantes. I fully accept that As for the IRA containing scumbags, all regular armies do however the Provos were almost entirely scumbag criminal psychopaths who represented, without mandate, only selected sections of the republican /catholic community and their own interests.
“Breen and Co were not drug runners, extortionists, protectors of child rapists, bank robbers, racketeers or self styled vigilantes.”
It is accepted by serious authors & academic historians ranging from nationalists like Tim Pat Coogan all the way through the revisionist historiography spectrum to Roy Foster & Peter Hart, via Diarmuid Ferritter, that they robbed banks, extorted, (funding?), and were self-styled vigilantes (RIC unnaceptable, “informers” & others disappeared). The newspapers of the time are full of it!! Spend a few hours in the National Library!
As for child-abuse, are we really expected to believe the Ireland of the time didn’t have that??!
So the PIRA were just this band of psycho/sumbags who came together in a vacuum and formed a big Drug dealer/Paedo ring. Likely.
@Terry Crone
“As for child-abuse, are we really expected to believe the Ireland of the time didn’t have that??!”
We’re not talking yonks ago, we’re talking about the mid to late 1990s and a time when there were very public discussion on the published reports and those yet to be published.
Everyone was talking about abuse, it wasn’t a ‘way back when’ story and stop making it out to be one.
don’t forget Vol. Alan Ryan RIP
Arguably the romantic IRA of old never warned a town of people that a bomb was going to go off on x street, suggesting people should go to y area of town, before detonating the bomb in area y.
The day they killed Mountbatten was a perfect example of everything that was wrong with the new IRA. Kill 18 British soldiers – great, Mick Collins himself would have been proud. Then murder a 79 year-old royal. What was the point in that? Stupidity of the highest order.
What next? They’ll kill a pizza delivery man, and call it unifying?
Only a Twomey would say that.
Got that. ;-))
…oh dear…looks like the Shinners tentacles are creeping along the Jackie Heay Highway.
You misspelled ‘testicles’
Well said, I’d have gone a lot further.
Anything that makes an effort to show what Sinn Fein are like when it comes to “leader first” and “party first” should have a 24 hr spotlight on it until people cop on that these guys, the Shinners, will put the party before the electorate and public EVERY TIME !
What are we up to now…. 30 IRA/SF paedos / rapists running about free because of Sinn Fein party first politics. THIRTY! And people want the man inb charge of that, Gerry, to run the country… SWEET F**KING CHRIST !! ARE YE MENTAL?
I can’t believe… no I cannot fathom how people voting for Sinn Fein are willing to ignore the fact that they are a party, as they are now, born out of the Troubles, and as a result, they are a party born out of secrecy, blackmail, murder and hiding truths from the public and government in order to protect its leader and the party itself…
“Ah but, they’re a different party now”….yeah sure, they’ll just unlearn all that and move on to become an ‘open’ party. Some people are just thick as fupp, get a grip SF supporters…
Fupp ’em !
Hug a Dissident.
Amazing how paramilitary association means SF are automatically liars, yet the entire Cahill conspiracy is Gospel of the ex-National Secretary of Dissident republican group RNU, who still refuses to answer questions on that policing-relevant question.
It’s the Sindo attitude to Dissidents: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Sinn Fein of today has more in common with the IRA than Sinn Fein of 1921.
SF today was born out of a paramilitary group whose success was based on ‘cells’ operating in secrecy, and it in no way a stretch of the imagination to believe that there is a very heavy influence from that on SF current operations – that is, they cannot be trusted, IMO.
Add to that the 30 sexual predators which Gerry knows about, can find out information on, but refuses to. That’s putting party before public on a ‘danger to the public’ level – that is, SF cannot be trusted.
SF / IRA acknowledged there was a problem dealing with Ms Cahill (that’s not a conspiracy, that much is fact. I could care less about how others are using the story).
Only weeks ago SF sent Mary Lou and Doherty out to deny ALL sexual charges, they’ve since climbed down – they cannot be trusted.
SF / IRA ran a campaign of non-cooperation with the RUC. It was that campaign that lead to sexually abused persons looking to SF / IRA for help. SF / IRA then say ‘the people came to us because they could not go to the RUC’, a situation created by SF / IRA and one which (i) they were not capable of dealing with (ii) SF / IRA attempted to brush under the carpet by sending the abusers south – that is, they cannot be trusted.
None of the above is conspiracy. All of the above is fact – my conclusion SF / IRA cannot be trusted and should never be in government.
My point was that all of our parties have been born out of conflict situations. I find it strange how we romantise the bravery of those who fought historically and pillory those who got involved in the North. It is likely that it is a more nuanced reality. It is likely that people got involved with the IRA for both noble and not so noble reasons.
SF has some legacy issues it needs to deal with. No doubt.
However the establishment in this country, political, legal, medical, educational, tolerated paedophiles/rapists foe decades because to stand up to the Church was political suicide. The charge of putting party first on this topic applied and still applies across the board then. FF and FG stood idly by while the church dealt in-house with such matters. Gave then financial indemnities etc….all because the support of the Church=votes.
I responded below.
Yea because FF/FG have a spotless record… lets find out how many people have died or committed suicide or ended up in jail because of austerity and making drastic cutbacks shall we? the fact you brought up blackmail and secrecy… hilarious that you only associate that with SF!! Im willing to guess theres alot more victims of domestic violence going uncared for after Joan B cut 40% out of the budget for womens shelters, wonder how much was caused because of elderly “rapists” being released. Got a link to any of those figures out of interest? I expected more from you Clampers, I really did. Fair enough if you dont want to vote SF because of past troubles, but youre making it sound like the other parties are a valid second choice
Stop being an idiot. I never said that, nor did I defend the parties you mention.
Pointing out the faults of SF does not mean other parties don’t have those faults.
Cop on DERP!
Just responding to your allegations by comparing this “paramilitary group” to some of the alternatives. Fact is SF members have skeletons in their closet but these are well known about and publicized. If as much scrutiny was delved upon the other parties I promise you they wouldnt seem so favourable
I answered this already.
it wasnt a question
Well, at least it makes a change from them writing literally everything UCC Labour feed them…
My point was that all of our parties have been born out of conflict situations. I find it strange how we romantise the bravery of those who fought historically and pillory those who got involved in the North. It is likely that it is a more nuanced reality. It is likely that people got involved with the IRA for both noble and not so noble reasons.
SF has some legacy issues it needs to deal with. No doubt.
However the establishment in this country, political, legal, medical, educational, tolerated paedophiles/rapists foe decades because to stand up to the Church was political suicide. The charge of putting party first on this topic applied and still applies across the board then. FF and FG stood idly by while the church dealt in-house with such matters. Gave then financial indemnities etc….all because the support of the Church=votes.
If that’s a response to me, I’ll say this again ….Pointing out the faults of SF does not mean other parties don’t have faults also. I don’t give a monkeys about the whataboutery, I’m just saying SF is not an alternative but likely to be far worse, IMO
I’m no great fan of SF myself. However they have done a lot of positive work, on the ground in forgotten communities. They have engaged a new constituency of voters as a result and the other parties are now running scared. That, to me is the backdrop to all of this. No doubt SF have lots of issues to deal with and questions to answer.
I would just like to see Enda and Co. deal all of the legacy of abuse in this country- ones which won’t score them any political points- with the same enthusiasm that they are applying to the IRA cases. That is the aspect of this that is so galling….
I think we’re in agreement. I too find FGs handling of the Cahill case pretty hideous point scoring, but that’s politics.
The only point I wanted to make is that SF cannot be trusted and their history in answering difficult questions with denials and then them having to come out with some twisted answer of barely admitting truth is more galling then anything FG / FF / or any other party could do… those parties are in the sh*t for lack of investigating a ‘third party’ the RCC, while SF is in the sh*t for allowing it to go on IN-HOUSE…. a massive chasm of difference because of the access SF have to first hand knowledge to deal with the situation, in fairness.
Fair enough in general we agree. I think in needs to be borne in mind that a lot of the RCC abuse in Ireland went on with the imprimatur of State agencies and Government Departments. A lot of it was systemic and involved the cooperation and facilitation Ministeries of Justice/Health and Education. I think that explains the government’s reluctance to grasp some of those nettles too strongly.
“SF cannot be trusted and their history in answering difficult questions with denials and then them having to come out with some twisted answer of barely admitting truth is more galling then anything FG / FF / or any other party could do”
Oh come on! You’re criticising Sinn Féin throughout, while at the same time claiming that this is not an endorsement of the oligarchy. And then you type something so obviously stupid, like the above.
Yes, Wayne, if you follow the thread, I brought in the other parties to answer the question put to me.
It in no way invalidates or contradicts anything I said prior to it.
But if it makes you feel better thinking I did something counter to my previous points above… you carry on, good lad.
I didn’t read all your comments, Christ I’d be here all day. But if YOU follow the thread, t’s a clear back track on your part, which shows you up for what you are. Being a condescending *rs*h*l* doesn’t change that.
But hey, if flip-flopping (ala Sinn Féin), and refusing to accept that you were wrong (ala Sinn Féin) makes you feel better (are you sure you’re not a party member?!) about yourself, you carry on… good girl.