From top: Barry Cummins outlining details from the Graham Dwyer trial to David McCullagh on Prime Time last night and (above) Senator Marie Louise O’Donnell with Aoife Barry, from Journal.ie and Gavin Reilly, from Today FM, on Tonight With Vincent Browne last night
Are the salacious details of this ongoing criminal trial the new standard that RTE aspire to? #rtept
— Phil O’ Meara (@Phil_O_File) January 22, 2015
And the major public interest matter at the heart of this particular murder trial is? #rtept — Mark Brennock (@MarkBrennock) January 22, 2015
Is this necessary? #rtept
— Niamh (@NiamhPitts) January 22, 2015
#vinb Says a lot about the standards or Lack of in Elaine O Hara(R.I.P) case Coverage on TV,Papers,Radio Salacious Disrespect to the family — Anna Farrelly (@farrelleye) January 22, 2015
I’m going to write a complaint to #RTE about their coverage of the Dwyer case. Disgusting details on #sixone that kids might have heard.
— Mark Meehan (@MarcasPadraig) January 22, 2015
Alternatively, following Marie Louise O’Donnell’s appearance on Tonight With Vincent Browne last night in which she asked: “Do we need to know those details?…I’m in favour of censoring, censoring is the wrong word but I think we need to be more measured.”
Can Vincent please censor Marie Louise O’Donnell from misusing the word “obesity” to describe media’s coverage of the Dwyer case? #vinb — Mark Tighe (@marktigheST) January 22, 2015
hacks love getting self righteous over a 5 page spread on murder
The Irish Times deleted similar graphic details from an article published on 29th October, 2014.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/man-given-five-year-sentence-for-sexually-abusing-his-sister-1.1980604
I would re-post the deleted text here, but there’s probably a reason they deleted the graphic text from their website.
So much for being “the paper of record”.
What is all the fuss about exactly?
People are questioning the public interest in details like the victim’s father recounting that the victim told him she was seeing a married professional from Foxrock who “ties me up and masturbates over me”.
Mani?
Or as your mother likes to call it ‘ocean spray’
Mani – An Inexhaustible fountain of mother jokes.
Haven’t been keeping up with the news at all over the last week or so , so have literally no idea when this case took place but Mohammed Wanking good, Murder Victim Details Bad yes?
Yes, because the two things are totally comparable.
I can the Irish Independent’s boner from here.
They absolutely love the tragedy of others.
Yep, they’re probably just gutted she wasn’t prettier or related to someone important. Ah well, you can’t have everything, At least the accused is suitably middle-class and not harsh on the eye.
Would you?
‘Tell ya what
That R1 news didn’t hould back either
Jesus I’m not right thinking about that poor girl and her father.
Ya just never know
a bit of common sense should prevail here. you don’t want to be banging on about r@pe fantasies and bdsm fuelled murder on the 6 1 news. there is a watershed for that sort of a thing.
Aren’t there three murder trials going at the minute, the reporting from the other two is sketchy at best, but involves the lower classes.
you reckon it’s class thing, soundings? to me it’s about sensationalism and little else.
Or human interest? I’m amazed she was so open with her father about her sex life. Possibly because she was vulnerable generally.
Lily, I’m paraphrasing, but in his testimony, her father said that she was an attention seeker and she liked to shock him by divulging details of her sex life.- according to RTÉ and Newstalk bulletins today.
Oh ok, that makes sense thanks.
Yeah…there used to be a place for this kind of thing and it was called Byker Grove.
byker grove? is that your safe word?
So that’s what Ted and Dougal were up to.
I can never understand why the safe word can’t be ‘stop’.
Or ‘I can hear clampers crying in the next room’
It’s in the public interest to alert innocent people to the fact that there are some sick predators out there masquerading as ‘nice professionals’. The devil is in the details. Some people lead sheltered lives, having pious religious BS rammed down their throats, instead of equipping them with an awareness of danger where it’s least expected.
Having said that anyone who goes online looking for S&M is probably aware that they might be getting into dodgy territory. But it sounds as if her murderer did groom her and win her trust over an extended period of time. Poor woman did not deserve this. RIP.
I think “alleged murderer” is the correct description until the defence has had its say, and more importantly the judge. He’s pleading “not guilty”, right? He may be acquitted.
If the accused is in fact adjudged innocent, then reporting this level of detail will surely ruin his life anyway.
I referred to her murderer since she was in fact murdered. Her murderer was presumably the man she exchanged texts with. At no stage did I imply that the accused is her murderer.
Cause of death has not been determined so, as yet, we can’t say that she was in fact murdered.
Ahem Bertie, this is a murder trial we’re discussing.
No, she was killed. Just like Veronica Guerinin 1996 and the journalist Eugene Moloney in 2012. In both cases, the accused were convicted of manslaughter, not murder. If the accused in this case is ultimately convicted of murder, then at that point, the killing becomes in fact a murder, not before.
“Her murderer was presumably the man she exchanged texts with” looks like a dangerous assumption. Life isn’t always like Colombo where the perpetrator is one of the characters on screen, and a common defence strategy is to suggest there might be other suspects.
Bertie, I think the cause of death has been determined. She didn’t die of natural causes, she was killed.
You can argue the semantics til the cows come home but the fact remains, at no stage did I finger the accused in making my point.
For those, like the moderators on here, who don’t know that Garda Jerry McCabe was killed in 1996 and that his killers were convicted of manslaughter,
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0805/120352-mccabej/
Asked whether there were there any signs or features of the remains that allowed him to form a view as to the cause of death, Deputy State Pathologist Michael Curtis said: “No. The cause of death is undeterminable.”
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/graham-dwyer-trial-cause-of-death-is-undeterminable-says-deputy-state-pathologist-1.2077288
I wasn’t suggesting you did Lily.
No, Soundings was.
That was a new level of stupidity in the commenting on this website.
You were there were you?
…thought Vincent was excellent last night the way he carved up both Lucinda Creighton and Marie Louise O’Donnell and exposed them for the right wing cranks that they both are.
And for revealing Lucinda’s party for what it really is, the Keep Abortion Out of Ireland party.
When the rubber hit the road, that was the only issue on which she made a stand. Not economic, social, foreign affairs, political governance policy, but abortion policy.
And, my did she look like a lightweight.
Ranelagh Right wingers – how dare they vote for Lucinda Creighton.
Left wingers sure as hell like Ranelagh’s burrito bars, sushi bars and hipster coffee shops.
No burrito bars in Ranelagh anymore :(
who owns today fm and the journal?