Eoin O’ Liatháin and Shout.ie’s schools programme (top)
Eoin O’ Liatháin of youth LGBTQ group ShoutOut.ie writes
Just got a call from a Dublin principal [Colaiste Eoin, Stillorgan, Co Dublin] who has stepped in to cancel a ShoutOut workshop planned this morning because the board “feels that the other side needs to be heard”. What I ask is the other side of saying it’s ok to be young and LGBT?!
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I guess for straight people
What school is it?
Your restraining order is nationwide so it’s academic.
colaiste eoin stillorgan
Wow. Dare anyone challenge the LGBTQ crew. Is there a group who go around canvassing on behalf of straight kids or are they just not special enough?
All those poor straight kids getting bullied specifically because of their sexuality.
Kids get bullied for all sorts of reasons. Bullying is not gender specific. Can only gay people be victims?
Thats why I said specifically because of their sexuality, also you seem to think, based on that response, that sexuality is a gender……
Are you joking, or do you honestly not understand what the whole issue is?
If he understood it he’d have been able to make a funny joke, so at a guess…
@LLareggub – get back under your bridge. And while you’re there read up on the difference between gender and orientation.
“Is there a group who go around canvassing on behalf of straight kids”
That would be the normal, ‘don’t be bullying’ coaching that schools mete out. Pretty much along the lines of ‘The bully is the real coward’ or some other such bullshit. Unfortunately, these archaic teachings aren’t equipped to help people with things like homophobic bullying, hence the need for a specific session.
If you really care so much, I’m sure you could organise a session for the straight kids that get bullied by the LGBT ones….
Aha, now your name makes sense! Llareggub to indicate you have ‘bugger all’ in the brains department and to show how backwards your way of thinking is!
You total norom!
Wow. The heterophobia on here is astounding. Persecution complexes all round.
Clown
Either you’re a bad troll or you’re an imbecile. I’m not sure which is worse.
It is not a question of challenging the LGBTQ or not. We have a scenario in Ireland where someone like a Minister has to come out and announce they are gay which is not the norm as the majority of the population don’t have to come out and say I’m straight. Is it desirable to create an environment where young people who are gay can feel as comfortable as the rest of the population? Straight are super special because they don’t to worry about that aspect of life….
F*ck you.
I’ve not attended school as a straight boy but I’m definitely not out of line in saying it’s a hell of a lot easier.
And the suicide statistics back me up.
I’m sorry if you were bullied, beaten up, excluded and made to feel like shit for the simple fact you cannot help, being heterosexual – you asinine wanker.
It is good to see the internet is bringing out the best in you. It could be me or your articulation but your comments make no sense.
“I’ve not attended school as a straight boy but I’m definitely not out of line in saying it’s a hell of a lot easier. And the suicide statistics back me up.”
As far as I understand your comment, I agree with it. That was the point I was making but it sailed over your head.
“I’m sorry if you were bullied, beaten up, excluded and made to feel like shit for the simple fact you cannot help, being heterosexual – you asinine wanker.”
No idea where you divined this from. It is not a question as you should know of helping being heterosexual or gay. It is the way we were born, not something to be helped but to be lived.
In terms of your language, honestly, if it makes you feel better to post like that, then knock yourself out….
You see the way your reply to him was indented, JF? Ya, that. His reply was to Llareggub’s comment at the top, charming as it was.
I stand corrected by the failure to note the indented….Ta.
Yeh soz hun
Went ovr yr hed inanywyz hun
2 of us innih hun
Pretty sure it’s legible if you read it in the context of what it was actually responding to.
Yes.
They are called society.
He means the ACDEFHIJKMNOPRSUVWZYZ lobby.
actual lol, cheers
Breda O’Brien has to come in and bully a student…..for balance.
One of the Catholic church priests (who odds on is in the closet himself) has to come in and tell them being gay is morally wrong and shameful and that a life in the closet fighting their natural urges is much more theologically sound.
Wait, what does the Q stand for? Thats new
It’s been around a good while. There is an I as well which is even more confusing and as such doesn’t get used much.
The Q is supposed to be a positive reappropriation of Queer, but ‘Queer’ is more of a culture than a sexual orientation (like emo, but more flamboyant), though I’m open to correction.
Oh, and ‘I’ in Intersex; aka neither one nor t’other.
What about the ‘A’ as in asexual, the ‘U’ as in ‘Undateable’….albeit subjective…
or the ‘C’ as in celibate?
Or how about a workshop for ‘E’ as in everyone?
Intersex sounds cool, like getting a handy on the Autobahn…
Jaysis how old are you, the kids have been doing the junior sex since the 90’s.
Can be also q for curious
no dont be silly. if anything its for dr Quinn, medicine woman
The genius that came up with Q for curious could have done with the group above to make sure he stayed in school.
Or she…
or…..intrasex?
I love that show!!
Rotide, its cool and down with the kids, innit
Or Q for Questioning, for those of us who are familiar with the alphabet
Saucer of milk for table Nially mee-owwww!
Queen.
Lads
Queen
Q is for Queens
That acronym is getting unwieldy.
I’m still not sure why there is an L and a G in a movement that is about equality, but I’m open to correction on that.
their new logo could be a tin of alphabet soup :-)
The Q is for quare-for down the country, like.
Apparently it’s not.
How about a tin of ‘O’s?
She is D – desirable
.
.
.
She is ooOOOooo
Ya, that works.
the pro suicide lobby is under represented in schools
When do the philistines ever get a look in?
The country’s gone to the dogs since we stopped stoning people.
The ‘loveless marriage & many cold showers’ lobby.
Under-rated post.
I’m sure the same ape was out on strike last week due to his concern over student welfare
I think at this stage, the fear is that everybody in Ireland will come out as gay, and there will nobody left to populate the species.
Kids are a pain in the hoop anyway, literally and figuratively
That is a fantasy of mine. Think how much more sex I’d get. Lol
I can not take any one/thing seriously when they use LGBTQ. Stop lumping everyone under the same stupid heading.
Im sure LGBTQ people are very upset you feel this way
They can’t be. It’s impossible. There is no such thing as an LGBTQ person.
See above
For what?
You literally can’t cope with a heading that covers more than one type of person. I’m not sure I can take you seriously.
No i don’t like the lumping together of different people. I can say from experience a Gay man does not have the same problems as a transgender. So stop lumping everyone together.
Tell you what, find some of them, one example of each maybe, grab their hands and use them to slap there faces while you chant ‘stop lumping yourselves together!’ over and over again. Or whack them with an umbrella and say ‘stop expressing unity despite your varied individual experiences by expressing yourselves as a community using a shared umbrella term!’ over and over again.
Other side? the teens who believe that the “intrinsic disordered” should be ok with who they are as long as they don’t actually form any intimate relationships?
Isn’t that religion class? Happening everywhere.
come on down the Catholic Church and the new media-spin friendly Pope…….
This is nothing short of gay recruitment.
Is what I’d say if I wanted a nice troll. Really though, these visits are a great idea because I can imagine it’s d to still very difficult to struggle with your sexuality at school.
Problem with a lot of schools is that they don’t deal with sexuality at all, of any sort let alone the subtle nuances of variation.
ha! nice troll fake-out dude!
*fist bump*
That’s what i love about lgbt groups. everyone else is wrong.
Can the school name be published? if that could then the principal could be asked what other side is that he is referring to?
On a related note; I enter online writing competitions, and some of the application forms I’ve completed contained questions about ethnic origin, religion, disability, and sexual orientation. I don’t understand why this information is relevant to my submissions, how could it be?
Its not relevant to your submission, its checking the diversity of people who submit to make sure they get a range of people, not just straight, white, middle-class folk. It generally says this on the form.
Thanks Don, but if that’s the case, does it mean that those minorities who are accepted as finalists are awarded their positions purely on the basis of them being in a minority group, as opposed to individual merit, based on the quality of their submissions? I’m genuinely curious as to how the system works, most of the competitions are international, so there would be a diversity of applicants.
No. The two have nothing to do with each other.
Fair enough, thanks, and I hope that is the case.
They probably want to show that they’re not discriminating against any groups and consider submissions from a variety of sources.
Some also use this information to highlight where there are gaps so they can identify where they may be unconsciously biased in terms of how they word their requests for submissions, or where they are requesting submissions.
But I guess the major problem for you is, there’s no space for “Huge Ginger Cat” https://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/01/21/great-artists-mews/
He, he, excellent, thanks John, I haven’t seen that article before :)
My pleasure. It is the post that has made me laugh the most recently.
lookit – these workshops can only be a good thing. When initially the marriage referendum thing was discussed, I’ll admit it, for a time, i had that Iona thing in my head about ‘what about the kids?’
Not because of any belief that two men, or two women couldn’t provide love or anything like that for a child that they’re raising, but rather that, say, when kids go to school and they’re collected by Dad 1 or Dad 2, that their classmates – kids in general – can be cruel. And y’know, I stand by that, and I guess the only way to try and correct that is hope that adults are more enlightened, and pass on such enlightened views to their kids. I dunno what values ‘this’ generation of adults are passing onto their kids about acceptance of others, but I can only think that workshops like this would mean that adults of tomorrow would be *more* accepting of others.
I do hope my turns of phrase here don’t cause ructions. Short comment – Boo for cancelling this – these things can only be good.
I think its important for schools to act as gatekeeper to various organisations with agendas who wish to access children. I’m not too sure they made the right decision in this case but its good they’re being vigilant. The parents’ wishes would need to be taken on board too.
The ol’ gay agenda eh?
Agreed, silent scream was shown to us without context nor parental knowledge.
And if they have a legitimate reason for turning away the workshops (which have been performed in dozens of other schools to, as I understand, pretty universal approval) then let them say it. Cancelling it on the day of, when the volunteers were already at the school, with no explanation beyond “balance” (and a refusal to explain that further) is pretty shitty.
The journal naming Coláiste Eoin in Stillorgan
http://www.thejournal.ie/colaiste-eoin-stillorgan-homophobia-workshop-1905500-Jan2015/
What’s the Irish for “balance”
Anyone?
Radio Telifis Eireann
Country’s bollixed, off ye go.
Well seeing as the law still hasn’t been changed, the principal could be legally fired simply for allowing the group to have the workshop in the school seeing as it is completely counter to the Catholic Church’s ethos on homosexuality.
This group had spoken there before on 2 occasions.
Probably just sick of listening to them
I wonder if some “concerned” parent got involved.
Very hard for a principal to continue to let the group have access if some parent points out that they are directly opposed to the “ethos” of the school, when his or her job is on the line.
One God squad hard-line looney of a parent can cause massive problems for principals and teachers due to the Catholic ethos nonsense.
With the “both sides” comment, it feels like someone has gotten themselves in a muddle, thinking this anti-bullying workshop, albeit with a particular focus, is actually part of the referendum campaign!
More bullying now! It’s good for you…
Much better they run the risk of some kid killing themselves.
At least then they just have to worry about possibly dealing with one set of upset parents.
Handy, like.
No coincidence this has happened given the referendum coming. The scare mongers have lost the ‘think of the children’ argument because now adults of same sex parents are coming forward to have their say. So guess what? Different tack but same old. What the hell is wrong with these people that they so full of fear?
Teaching a child to be happy in who and what they are is a far better education than any book and no its not just LGBT. It could be the black, or small, or fat, or skinny or whatever else is to be picked on but tackling LGBT bullying by default raises the bar for everyone. There is nothing in Catholic school ethos to prevent that, apart from prejudice.
No one seems to have commented on how much of an absolute ROIDE that Eoin O Liathain is. Well, he IS!
Ya durty walloper ya
He’s hardly 15
Look at ‘I’m
I’ve got shoes older than him
Parental pressures? See 28mins in… http://www.rte.ie/news/player/prime-time/2014/0415/
And broadshett says that the church indoctrinates the young! Gimme a break! More brainwashing from “progressives” ahead of the vote. I really freaking hope inequality wins the day. (Heck! I love freedom of thought and expression)
Everybody’s free to be an @rsehole if they so wish!
Only a see you next Tuesday would defend the advocating of bullying of vulnerable minors.
“On this particular occasion, however, the Board of Management have received written communications from a number of parents outlining their concerns regarding the workshop.
“In this context it was incumbent on the Board to address all issues and to seek the advice available from Catholic management representative bodies available to secondary schools.”
Extract of statement from Colaiste Eoin, a state-run school.
Could they not still run it and the kids with the weird parents who think it is not appropriate can go somewhere else?
Wont’ some one think of the children
Colaiste Eoin is, of course, not a state-run school.