What concerns could parents possibly have? Only one explanation for this, and it’s that some people are bellends.
Joe the Lion
They have concerns little Tadgh and Saoirse could get the gayness
Stumpy
I believe it’s aurally transmitted……
jeremy kyle
It’s always the bellends.
gallantman
As gaeilge le do thoil.
sickofallthisbs
What a shock, people have different opinions to BS readers and they are in shock.
Rep
I find it a bit shocking that some people are against the idea that homophobic bullying is a bad thing. Do you not?
Jordofthejungle
Different views? Homophobic bullying should be promoted?
Jordofthejungle
It is rather strange how this is suddenly an issue as the homophobic bullying workshop has taken place in Colaiste Eoin for a few years now. Could it be more than a mere coincidence with the impending Marriage Equality referendum as a way of subtly underscoring to voters that parents don’t want their teenagers to be exposed to homosexuality under any guise even if it’s an apolitical anti- bullying campaign. There is an overlap here with the tactics of the US Christian Right trying to export their lowbrow guff to Ireland.
There does appear to be something manufactured and artificial about this fiasco which has touch of being orchestrated.
Drogg
Funny enough Breda OBrian doesn’t live that far from there, but her kids are home schooled .
AlisonT
seems like shout out are trying to bully the school management now.
Far too many uses of the word “Catholic” there. Sounds like the school didnt like all the negative publicity and are now firmly tail between legs, go Broadsheet! :-)
Joe the Lion
Agus a haon
Stewart Curry
Yup, it’s a get out of jail free card. Any criticism is now religious persecution.
d4n
Gas how ‘religious persecution’ is now the religious being persecuted.
Rep
Agreed. Today’s information seems completely different to what was originally said. If it was about the parents, they could have taken their kids out of the talk so this seems like a massive cop out by a school trying to deflect from the PR sh*t storm they brought on themselves.
I think the original article said it was a verbal cancellation when they arrived, in my line of work we wouldnt consider that an official response. Its a massive cop out from the scaredy school. I hope ShoutOut get legally compensated for having their time wasted and their reputation questioned.
….or do we need to have a bigot present for this too?
Don Pidgeoni
At school, when we had sex ed (yes, not Ireland), the kids of parents who had an issue just went somewhere else. Could they not do that?
Frilly Keane
Yes. But then they’d either have to find fees or go the Lucan or Clondalkin
And as the average 10 year old will tell ya
“Not gonna happen!”
Don Pidgeoni
I meant more go somewhere else like the library, or another room.
We got sex ed. from a nun, who used a tea cloth to represent the penis. She then wrapped it in a knot to represent the erect penis.
Good times
Don Pidgeoni
That is hilarious and depressing.
Our teachers gave us age appropriate classes once a year at primary school from the age of about 7 until 12. We got to say rude words in class. It was fun. At high school, a Tampax saleswoman gave a talk about periods we were going to get that we were already having and we got free samples. Brilliant marketing on their part though.
Ms Piggy
yes, this sounds similar to the sex education I got (also not in Ireland). I think each class should probably have happened a year earlier than it did, but otherwise it wasn’t awful. I particularly remember the district nurse’s visit with examples of all the different kinds of contraception, which she passed round for us to have a look at. I remember this because even now I’m alarmed by the largest size of diaphragm she showed us, and at the time I recall it caused great hilarity. But still, it did mean that I actually knew a few things about contraception by the time I needed that information. And of course there was no God. I went to an awful school in many ways (and one which had serious need of some anti-homophobic bullying classes in fact) but at least there was no God stuff interfering in our education.
Don Pidgeoni
Knowledge is power etc.
Mani
My sex education was being brought to a farm. The farmer pointed out into a field and said ‘Dyou see what they’re doing in there? That’s how babies are made’. For years I thought coitus involved a baling machine. All that money I wasted on plant hire for foreplay. Gone.
Do they do the same thing when the Bible thumpers suggest that being anything other than heterosexual is “disordered” which any rational thinking person knows is total bollix. Being gay is as natural as spring water FFS !
And also, it originates from the worst of the worst of ‘parents’
South County Dublin Parents
I am generalising, yeah.
But yesterday it crystalised.
Between Inbred Inferiority Complexes, Collective Style over Substance Policies, Arseless Pants and Bad Manners, lemme tell ye South County Dublin parents are in a *class of their own
(* they like the word so let them have it)
Mort
Give the parents in Neilstown a try and see how you like them
Frilly Keane
Knob
rotide
Yeah? Well culchies all smell of slurry
And they all shag farm animals.
I might be generalising here.
Frilly Keane
Well then produce a cluchee smelling a’slurry and riding a sow
Or one of the many, many schools between those places and Stillorgan.
But I thought South Dublin was the home of the liberal elite?
You know the ones who are against catholic middle Ireland?
Leela2011
you would have thought.. rumours are there’s a bit of Opus Dei/GAA illuminati influence going on there
bullying is not confined to sexual orientation and these talks should not be confined to any one category of bullying.
Nigel
I find this puzzling. Is there something about this particular type of bullying that means it shouldn’t be singled out for close examination and discussion? Should all subjects taught or raised or discussed in school be subjected to a one-size-fits-all level of discourse?
sickofallthisbs
To cut through the bullshit – it is about what lobby groups you pay to visit schools. I suspect a parent of a child in Coláiste Eoin wants a group they run on anti-bullying to be used instead and using the cloak of Catholicism to get their way. Principal (and anyone here in management knows this) is forced to adhere to the school charter in these situations.
Nigel
I’ve seen this deployed before in cases where homophobic bullying is singled out. What about all the other bullying? is just a weird argument. There’s nothing about dealing with other bullying or all bullying that doesn’t mean you can’t also hone in on one type of bullying, and nothing about honing in on one type of bullying that doesn’t mean you can’t also cover other or all types of bullying.
sickofallthisbs
I think that’s the point – rather than focus on homophobic bullying on its own, they have probably decided to go with something that looks at all types of bullying (hence I suspect somebody who has a child in the school has a vested interest in another anti-bullying group).
Nigel
That would be truly and honestly and deeply hilarious. Do competing anti-bullying groups go around sabotaging each other? Is there backstabbing and bad-mouthing and bribery and snide exchanges in school gyms?
There’s an Office-type comedy series in this.
Malta
I’m pretty sure the lobby groups, and in particular Shout Out, are free.
Llareggub
I agree Ollie. The type of person who bullies will not restrict their bullying to somebody’s sexual orientation or gender. I sense that there is a certain persecution complex going on in this case. So what, the talk was postponed. It isn’t the schools fault if there have been objections from parents and they have had ShoutOut visit in the past so clearly they, the school don’t have an issue.
Nigel
All true enough, except it’s a bit rich to sniff at a persecution complex when a specifically anti-homophobic bullying event was cancelled, when another type of anti-bullying event mightn’t have been.
Malta
It’s not just about bullying the gay kids. Is about pointing out that dying things like ‘that’s so gay’ in a negative manner is not creating a pleasant atmosphere for any gay kids.
ReproBertie
It is of course possible that someone got the wrong end of the stick and thought the talk was to about the upcoming referendum and believed both sides should be represented.
Bluebeard
You’re being way too reasonable there Bertie. They are all bible-thumping inbred homophobes. Thats how you get ahead on here!
Don Pidgeoni
At least wait until someone has said that before spouting off
Joe the Lion
Yes because victims of disinformation and blind faith and prejudice are not victims per se, they are just ‘the gays’ what need to be cured unlike us real victims who sit here in our tiny little minority heterosexual in constant danger of being literally swept say by a tsunami of queerness.
Bluebeard
More of a squeaky mewl than a roar Joe. Go on, give us an MGM special!
Joe the Lion
Your insults are as badly formed and misconceived as your ignorant mother’s ‘belief’
Bluebeard
The hurt become the hurters. Spill Joe.
Stewart Curry
Doubtful, seeing as they’ve already had workshops there before, and (I’d assume) they’re too young to vote anyways.
ReproBertie
Yes they’ve had workshops there before but not for the same students which means there’s every possibility that some parents are encountering this workshop for the first time, getting confused about the puropse of the workshop and contacting the school board with their confusion driven concerns.
YourNan
ah the silent majority, good old backbone of this island, rearing it’s true small minded, blinkered head.
Bluebeard
A country that is currently 70% in favour of altering the constitution to include gay marriage isn’t really all that small minded or blinkered when you compare it to others.
Joe the Lion
like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan?
Bluebeard
Wow. You do hate it here don’t you.
Joe the Lion
Only the blind-siding reactionary trollops.
Bluebeard
Well there are only 14 countries in the world that permit same sex marriage. ireland will be the 15th. Thats 15th out of 190 or so countries. And yet you chose to compare us to Pakistan and Saudi arabia. Now why would you do that??
Joe the Lion
Thus you buttressed my point. Until we pass the law we are equally as bad as everyone else including Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
Bluebeard
I hope your definition of “equally’ doesn’t apply to all cases.
martco
….of course the interesting aspect of this is that we’ve gone now from having a simple quiet workshop one day in a school in stillorgan to the issues of bullying and homophobia being discussed all over the media and amongst the parents and their kids going to this particular school, the kids going to other schools that these kids interact with on faceshite and snapshite all evening long etc. etc.
“Just got a call from a Dublin principal [Colaiste Eoin, Stillorgan, Co Dublin] who has stepped in to cancel a ShoutOut workshop planned this morning…. ”
– Eoin O’ Liatháin of youth LGBTQ group ShoutOut.ie.
“We got an email at 10.30am this morning cancelling the workshop,” Mr Meehan said. Confirmation bias? It’s amazing the lengths some go to to bash Catholics. Is it worth it honestly?
Nially
“Yes, I always trust the word of the aggrieved party 100% in any dispute.”
…he said, using the word of one member of the aggrieved party to ‘disprove’ the word of another member of the aggrieved party. But yeah, “confirmation bias” is definitely only at play on the “liberal” side here…
sickofallthisbs
@Nially, it works both ways, pet xx; I am so glad you are catching on.
Bluebeard – I just got a call/email from the catholic league of Broadsheet commenters saying that your username has pornographic connotations and as a precautionary measure you have been permanently barred from commenting or reading any future articles.
I hope you understand, its nothing personal we just want to protect the kids
sickofallthisbs
Good one – the peado line. Always a good comeback.
newsjustin
What kind of legal action might they take? For one reason or another, good or bad, the school didn’t want them. No one has a legal right to address a school.
sickofallthisbs
If anything the school can take action against Eoin O Liathain for defamation if he misrepresented the principal’s words.
Llareggub
Yes. I know of cases where people have had speaking appointments cancelled in schools. They didn’t go running to the media. Broadsheet is all over this one like a cheap suit.
Then what kind of message does that send to any LGBT kids who might be getting bullied in this exact school? Bullying is ok so long as its because of their sexuality? Pathetic comment
sickofallthisbs
It means exactly what he said. Schools are not obligated to have LGBT groups (or any group for that matter) to speak to them. What schools have to have is an anti-bullying charter – which I assume CE does.
Get off your high horse and stop pontificating about it online; if you don’t like it, do something about it.
Derp yourself, fool.
Llareggub
Sincerely doubt that ShoutOut were actively ‘hired’. It is more likely that ShoutOut approached the school.
Paid for or not, they have to be requested by the school or a student of the school (checked the website). Fair enough if you dont think they deserve financial compensation but suggesting the school does just boils my blood
Llareggub
Who suggested they deserved compensation. It certainly was not me. Be better to read what was actually said before you comment.
If you’d follow your own advice, you’d see i was referring to the comment before yours
Bluebeard
A paedo is a criminal. Thats where the line is crossed. Its seems to be ok to thrash anyone except LGBT people. You’re not the only victims in the village you know!
Bluebeard
They weren’t hired Jimmy, but you know this. They weren’t cancelled verbally and you know this too. But let nothing stand in your way of your agenda. Including insinuating that Im a paedo.
i have been called a paedo and a homophobe in two days on here. And by people purporting to be in favour of equality, free speech and de childer. :-)
Don Pidgeoni
“i have been called a paedo and a homophobe in two days on here. And by people purporting to be in favour of equality, free speech and de childer. :-)”
The two aren’t inconsistent if free speech includes their right to call you a homophobe and a paedo while supporting your rights to be either
1.) They were requested, after being there the previous year. Their website shows you have to request them (as I stated before).
2.) They were cancelled verbally, as stated in the original article.
3.) Could you please outline my agenda? I seem to have missed that email.
4.) I have never insinuated you were a peado, that was the commenter after me. Also never insinuated you were a homophobe, I insinuated your username was mildly pornographic and that it would offend the cattle licks.
Facts not a big deal for you then bluey? Go lie down.
Joe the Lion
What? Reactionary bigoted trolls don’t like it up em?
Bluebeard
A paedo is a criminal. Thats where the line is crossed. Its seems to be ok to thrash anyone except LGBT people. You’re not the only victims in the village you know
Llareggub
While you can request a workshop, that’s an option alright, I am sure that ShoutOut also request visits to schools. You have zero evidence that the school sought them out.
Bluebeard
You said they were hired, not invited.
They were cancelled by email in their own words.
Verbal cancellation – i.e. no hard evidence for them to take legal action and the good catholic school can make up whatever they want
I never said you called me a homophobe
I hope you understand, its nothing personal we just want to protect the kids..
I don’t care really. It just gives me pleasure to show your hate-led agenda masked in compassion.
Nigel
Nobody should have called you either, but you’re a bit too quick to anoint yourself with victim status. Free speech often means that if you take a position that disagrees with a lot of people, then a lot of people will disagree with you. To suggest that a lot of people disagreeing with you is inimical to free speech is stupid. Calling you paedo and homophobe absent evidence of either is also stupid as well as being over the line. But it hardly measures up to what the LGBT community have had to put up with, and still have to put up with.
Bluebeard
Nigel, read my last line there! i was precisely not doing victim status and I ended my other comment with a smiley. I am pointing out the hypocrisy and incongruence of many of the commentators on here. It is a forum after all. Pulllease, I am not going to let anything on here get to me.
And please don’t use that line of “imagine what others went through” to justtify doing it to others. thats how bullying is perpetuated.
Llareggub
Bluebeard, the ‘oppressed’ are becoming the oppressors on here. As far as i can see, it’s okay to take the piss out of one group but not another on Broadsheet.
Nigel
Well, you were trivialising it, of course, just as your complaints of free speech and equality because people are robustly disagreeing with me trivialise those, I mean that’s obvious. You want to dictate the tone and strength of the response to the issues surrounding homophobic bullying and gay marriage by dismissing expressions of genuine anger, passion and even disgust at some of the things being done and said as hypocritical and incongruous. You’re concern trolling
Joe the Lion
You’ve done nothing only haul out the victim card at every single opportunity.
So what if everyone here disagrees with your passive-aggressive trolling and disrespects your precious Mom? That is not evidence of bullying per se. But no matter, you are playing a blinder in that department and making sure that you will get precisely the type of oppobrium that your bigoted stance merits.
Bluebeard
I think you’re right Llaregub. Broadsheet knows how to throw out the bait as well.
lol lads if you think youre being bullied then youve lead a very privileged existence upto this point
Bluebeard
Nigel, am i upsetting the cosy agenda here? Soz!
Bluebeard
Joe, in what way am I bigoted? Name me one place where I payed the victim? I am not a victim. I am a survivor. And beware those who have survived, because they know they can do it again. Grrrr.
Don Pidgeoni
Bluebeard, your constant use of “agenda” is as lame as the “homophobe” slurs you are talking about. I bet you use PC nonsense a lot too right?
Nigel
I actually think it would be more oppressive if there was some sort of obligation imposed on people to take the piss out of one thing or another equally. You think its oppressive that people don’t share your sense of humour. You think its somehow oppressive to respond defensively or aggressively to people taking the piss out of LGBT people, while at the same time taking the piss out of homophobes and their enablers. I don’t think decreasing popularity and increasing irrelevance actually constitute oppression.
Nigel
Well, Bluebeard, you sure as heck ain’t elevatin’ the discourse.
Llareggub
Bluebeard, I laugh at that fact that you have been accused of being a troll. It happens here a lot when you disagree. You get that puerile crap thrown at you. When you dare to disagree or voice an opposing view, you get called a troll. You’re right to just laugh it off.
rob
Most people on Broadsheet are probably going to hate me for saying this, but I would tend to believe the school’s statement and their explanation of what happened. I am in no way trying to excuse it.
I am a past pupil of Colaiste Eoin and unfortunately when I was going there in the 80s, there was a small but vocal extreme element among the parents/families who attended, including the woman who is now the leader of Youth Defence. There were also families involved in Opus Dei and the Knights of Columbanus.
At the time, Colaiste Eoin also had some republican families – Aongus O Snodaigh TD is a past pupil. Generally it was a nice school to go to and even though there were a few Christian Brothers still teaching, including the headmaster, it was quite a tolerant school.
Not sure what it’s like now, but it would appear from this incident that the extreme Catholics are still able to bully the staff.
He’s right. They’re out there. Interestingly a lot of alumni are among the most talented and creative Irish-speaking folk going and many are heavily involved in traditional music etc. You can be sure their views are not reflected here by this reactionary gangster vocal mob
martco
+1
Colaiste Eoin is actually already very on the ball with this subjectmatter, very tolerant
OD are in this picture
however in my view overall this has been a very very satisfying self-destruct for the asshats that made the phonecall to threaten CE
as I said earlier instead of having a simple quiet workshop one day in a school in stillorgan the issues of bullying and homophobia now being discussed all over the media, amongst the parents and their kids going to this particular school, the kids going to other schools that these kids interact with on social media
own goal hattrick
Joe the Lion
Níl aon tinteán mar do thinteán féin
martco
Is minic a bhris beal duine a shron ;)
rob
Hi Joe, yes, I should have added that in my original post. The extreme Catholics were thankfully outnumbered by so many decent, talented, creative people. There are countless examples of CE alumni working in the media, making & playing music etc. It was a nice school to attend and I feel saddened a bit that it is in the media due to the reactionary/bigoted element.
Bluebeard
Coláiste Eoin is an excellent school and I know some great Alumni.
Still not sure what exactly happened, but I’m sure the initial reporting did not give the full story.
The way they were pounced on for this is sad. The glee with which people pounced is even sadder. McCarthyism at its best!
Nigel
By all accounts it is an excellent school and this is unfortunate, but I think to qualify for the best kind of McCarthyism it needs more national fear, paranoia, hysteria and individuals compelled to testify before extremely powerful kangaroo government committees.
Bluebeard
We are on our way.
Nigel
So clearly you are saying our McCarthyism could do with some improvement and this is not, in fact, the best that our McCarthyism has to offer, and there are many miles to go yet on the long road to the best of McCarthyism, so you are comparing this to something it does not really resemble that happened in the past and something it does not resemble that may or may not happen in the distant future. That’s the kind of grounded, sensible perspective we need on this issue, truly.
Bluebeard
The “homphobic” witchunt is gathering pace. I have never heard the word flung around so much. In fact, its in danger of becoming meaningless. The marriage referendum is not a ground to settle scores, it is a ground to bring a common good. but some chose it as a platform to accuse, hate and fingerpoint which will taint any victory. I wouldn’t accept it from either side.
Nigel
See? This is concern trolling. ‘I agree with you but I’m gravely concerned that you’re doing it wrong and evil!’ If somebody talking about this issue didn’t call someone a homophobe, I’m sure you or someone like you would be along directly to talk about how it’s awful that everyone is being accused of being a homophobe and that’ll dominate the conversation thereafter nicely, and the more people talk about how the yes side are calling everyone who disagrees with them homophobes the more true it will become, whether it’s true or not. I fully anticipate the Iona institute to adopt this tactic.
Bluebeard
Oh please Nigel. leave it out. Concern trolling? What is that? is it like victims and paedos and bigots and every other cr*p being bandied around here. Everyone here claims to be concerned for someone. I agree with gay marriage and I hate those who are using the referendum to spite others. On either side. Can I be any clearer. More than anything i hate the hypocrites who hate in the name of love. If you want the yes side not to concentrate on the homophobe word, then stop throwing it around and engage with the actual issues they are raising.
Nigel
Oh, sure, why can’t you be nicer to the people who hate you? And why can’t you be kinder and gentler to the people who may not hate you per se, but who have aligned themselves with the people who do and give them cover. Like Bluebeard! As a strategy, I agree, attacking them is not the way to go. But you act as if there’s moral parity between the two sides, and that’s just laughable.
Bluebeard
I don’t know if you have worked on any campaigns Nigel. I have on plenty. And in my opinion you begin by respecting your opposition and their point of view, even if you disagree. Remember it is never those who are converted you speak to, or those who you will never convert (Iona etc), it is the bulk of people in the middle who you are trying to sway. Thats why reasoned, persuasive argument works, not shouty insults.
Nigel
This isn’t The Campaign. This is the Broadsheet comment section. You’re not critiquing strategy. You’re accusing gay marriage supporters of being equivalent to homophobes because they sometimes call people who oppose gay marriage homophobic. If it was just about strategy, you wouldn’t be decrying gay marriage supporters as McCarthyites.
Joe the Lion
There you go again with the good old victim card. Fair play to you for consistency and tedium.
Bluebeard
As i said, name me one place where I was a bigot, one place where I was a victim. And as for the troll accusation, stop making me laugh. You’re probably not used to being stood up to. This is what it feels like. I am a lion, hear me roar.
What concerns could parents possibly have? Only one explanation for this, and it’s that some people are bellends.
They have concerns little Tadgh and Saoirse could get the gayness
I believe it’s aurally transmitted……
It’s always the bellends.
As gaeilge le do thoil.
What a shock, people have different opinions to BS readers and they are in shock.
I find it a bit shocking that some people are against the idea that homophobic bullying is a bad thing. Do you not?
Different views? Homophobic bullying should be promoted?
It is rather strange how this is suddenly an issue as the homophobic bullying workshop has taken place in Colaiste Eoin for a few years now. Could it be more than a mere coincidence with the impending Marriage Equality referendum as a way of subtly underscoring to voters that parents don’t want their teenagers to be exposed to homosexuality under any guise even if it’s an apolitical anti- bullying campaign. There is an overlap here with the tactics of the US Christian Right trying to export their lowbrow guff to Ireland.
There does appear to be something manufactured and artificial about this fiasco which has touch of being orchestrated.
Funny enough Breda OBrian doesn’t live that far from there, but her kids are home schooled .
seems like shout out are trying to bully the school management now.
Yes Alison that’s exactly what is happening.
Lol. Try again Alison.
Far too many uses of the word “Catholic” there. Sounds like the school didnt like all the negative publicity and are now firmly tail between legs, go Broadsheet! :-)
Agus a haon
Yup, it’s a get out of jail free card. Any criticism is now religious persecution.
Gas how ‘religious persecution’ is now the religious being persecuted.
Agreed. Today’s information seems completely different to what was originally said. If it was about the parents, they could have taken their kids out of the talk so this seems like a massive cop out by a school trying to deflect from the PR sh*t storm they brought on themselves.
I think the original article said it was a verbal cancellation when they arrived, in my line of work we wouldnt consider that an official response. Its a massive cop out from the scaredy school. I hope ShoutOut get legally compensated for having their time wasted and their reputation questioned.
….or do we need to have a bigot present for this too?
At school, when we had sex ed (yes, not Ireland), the kids of parents who had an issue just went somewhere else. Could they not do that?
Yes. But then they’d either have to find fees or go the Lucan or Clondalkin
And as the average 10 year old will tell ya
“Not gonna happen!”
I meant more go somewhere else like the library, or another room.
might be gays hiding in there
With their secret gay agendas no less
no i think theyre confined mainly to closets
We got sex ed. from a nun, who used a tea cloth to represent the penis. She then wrapped it in a knot to represent the erect penis.
Good times
That is hilarious and depressing.
Our teachers gave us age appropriate classes once a year at primary school from the age of about 7 until 12. We got to say rude words in class. It was fun. At high school, a Tampax saleswoman gave a talk about periods we were going to get that we were already having and we got free samples. Brilliant marketing on their part though.
yes, this sounds similar to the sex education I got (also not in Ireland). I think each class should probably have happened a year earlier than it did, but otherwise it wasn’t awful. I particularly remember the district nurse’s visit with examples of all the different kinds of contraception, which she passed round for us to have a look at. I remember this because even now I’m alarmed by the largest size of diaphragm she showed us, and at the time I recall it caused great hilarity. But still, it did mean that I actually knew a few things about contraception by the time I needed that information. And of course there was no God. I went to an awful school in many ways (and one which had serious need of some anti-homophobic bullying classes in fact) but at least there was no God stuff interfering in our education.
Knowledge is power etc.
My sex education was being brought to a farm. The farmer pointed out into a field and said ‘Dyou see what they’re doing in there? That’s how babies are made’. For years I thought coitus involved a baling machine. All that money I wasted on plant hire for foreplay. Gone.
Brought to a farm for sex-ed? Lucky ewe.
Do they do the same thing when the Bible thumpers suggest that being anything other than heterosexual is “disordered” which any rational thinking person knows is total bollix. Being gay is as natural as spring water FFS !
Gay/Straight=Still/Sparkling
the other way around, surely?
My bad -flip them alright.
I like it :)
I’ve stayed off this story ( in the main) here
Because I knew it was always a ‘parents’ bomb
And also, it originates from the worst of the worst of ‘parents’
South County Dublin Parents
I am generalising, yeah.
But yesterday it crystalised.
Between Inbred Inferiority Complexes, Collective Style over Substance Policies, Arseless Pants and Bad Manners, lemme tell ye South County Dublin parents are in a *class of their own
(* they like the word so let them have it)
Give the parents in Neilstown a try and see how you like them
Knob
Yeah? Well culchies all smell of slurry
And they all shag farm animals.
I might be generalising here.
Well then produce a cluchee smelling a’slurry and riding a sow
Ewe!
Or one of the many, many schools between those places and Stillorgan.
But I thought South Dublin was the home of the liberal elite?
You know the ones who are against catholic middle Ireland?
you would have thought.. rumours are there’s a bit of Opus Dei/GAA illuminati influence going on there
Jaysus no, they’re the uber conservatives….. as far as I have been lead to believe. Just don’t upset their applecart / status quo
South County Parents…you mean Boggers living in exile.
I fear the topic might be getting a bit too complicated for your, eh, dummies guide grasp of Irishness.
Lol – as a born and bred coastal south Dubliner, I can confirm that there are not many of us that far removed from our agrarian “bogger” past.
Racist.
I like when deh Dubs give bogger insults, it’s cute and only shows their ignorance :)
The chip on your shoulder is just ridiculous. Pure reverse snobbery. Who hurt you?
Pretty sure Frilly is from Cork so basically everyone.
Parents are allowed voice their concerns.They could have taken the specific kids out of class discreetly or something if that is what the wanted.
But if there were issues, the school shouldn’t have been so rude as to leave it to 30 mins before start to tell a volunteer group not to go ahead.
We didn’t cancel it- we postponed it indefinitely 5 minutes before it was due to start.
I think you’ll see they have committed to holding it in this current academic year.
I think postponing is only ‘not cancelling ‘ if its 24 hours before the event
but these linguists say theres no formal difference. (cancel doesnt have to mean forever )
http://throwgrammarfromthetrain.blogspot.ie/2014/01/canceled-vs-postponed.html
bullying is not confined to sexual orientation and these talks should not be confined to any one category of bullying.
I find this puzzling. Is there something about this particular type of bullying that means it shouldn’t be singled out for close examination and discussion? Should all subjects taught or raised or discussed in school be subjected to a one-size-fits-all level of discourse?
To cut through the bullshit – it is about what lobby groups you pay to visit schools. I suspect a parent of a child in Coláiste Eoin wants a group they run on anti-bullying to be used instead and using the cloak of Catholicism to get their way. Principal (and anyone here in management knows this) is forced to adhere to the school charter in these situations.
I’ve seen this deployed before in cases where homophobic bullying is singled out. What about all the other bullying? is just a weird argument. There’s nothing about dealing with other bullying or all bullying that doesn’t mean you can’t also hone in on one type of bullying, and nothing about honing in on one type of bullying that doesn’t mean you can’t also cover other or all types of bullying.
I think that’s the point – rather than focus on homophobic bullying on its own, they have probably decided to go with something that looks at all types of bullying (hence I suspect somebody who has a child in the school has a vested interest in another anti-bullying group).
That would be truly and honestly and deeply hilarious. Do competing anti-bullying groups go around sabotaging each other? Is there backstabbing and bad-mouthing and bribery and snide exchanges in school gyms?
There’s an Office-type comedy series in this.
I’m pretty sure the lobby groups, and in particular Shout Out, are free.
I agree Ollie. The type of person who bullies will not restrict their bullying to somebody’s sexual orientation or gender. I sense that there is a certain persecution complex going on in this case. So what, the talk was postponed. It isn’t the schools fault if there have been objections from parents and they have had ShoutOut visit in the past so clearly they, the school don’t have an issue.
All true enough, except it’s a bit rich to sniff at a persecution complex when a specifically anti-homophobic bullying event was cancelled, when another type of anti-bullying event mightn’t have been.
It’s not just about bullying the gay kids. Is about pointing out that dying things like ‘that’s so gay’ in a negative manner is not creating a pleasant atmosphere for any gay kids.
It is of course possible that someone got the wrong end of the stick and thought the talk was to about the upcoming referendum and believed both sides should be represented.
You’re being way too reasonable there Bertie. They are all bible-thumping inbred homophobes. Thats how you get ahead on here!
At least wait until someone has said that before spouting off
Yes because victims of disinformation and blind faith and prejudice are not victims per se, they are just ‘the gays’ what need to be cured unlike us real victims who sit here in our tiny little minority heterosexual in constant danger of being literally swept say by a tsunami of queerness.
More of a squeaky mewl than a roar Joe. Go on, give us an MGM special!
Your insults are as badly formed and misconceived as your ignorant mother’s ‘belief’
The hurt become the hurters. Spill Joe.
Doubtful, seeing as they’ve already had workshops there before, and (I’d assume) they’re too young to vote anyways.
Yes they’ve had workshops there before but not for the same students which means there’s every possibility that some parents are encountering this workshop for the first time, getting confused about the puropse of the workshop and contacting the school board with their confusion driven concerns.
ah the silent majority, good old backbone of this island, rearing it’s true small minded, blinkered head.
A country that is currently 70% in favour of altering the constitution to include gay marriage isn’t really all that small minded or blinkered when you compare it to others.
like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan?
Wow. You do hate it here don’t you.
Only the blind-siding reactionary trollops.
Well there are only 14 countries in the world that permit same sex marriage. ireland will be the 15th. Thats 15th out of 190 or so countries. And yet you chose to compare us to Pakistan and Saudi arabia. Now why would you do that??
Thus you buttressed my point. Until we pass the law we are equally as bad as everyone else including Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
I hope your definition of “equally’ doesn’t apply to all cases.
….of course the interesting aspect of this is that we’ve gone now from having a simple quiet workshop one day in a school in stillorgan to the issues of bullying and homophobia being discussed all over the media and amongst the parents and their kids going to this particular school, the kids going to other schools that these kids interact with on faceshite and snapshite all evening long etc. etc.
viral job done
So, a positive outcome with everyone talking about it then.
So they didn’t cancel it, the parents cancelled it, but it was never cancelled?
What am I missing here?
Is it still on?
Verbal cancellation – i.e. no hard evidence for them to take legal action and the good catholic school can make up whatever they want
According to the Irish Times it was cancelled by email.
“Just got a call from a Dublin principal [Colaiste Eoin, Stillorgan, Co Dublin] who has stepped in to cancel a ShoutOut workshop planned this morning…. ”
– Eoin O’ Liatháin of youth LGBTQ group ShoutOut.ie.
Sorry Blue, I dont read the I.T
I understand. The truth might interfere with your agenda
Yes, I always trust the word of the aggrieved party 100% in any dispute.
“We got an email at 10.30am this morning cancelling the workshop,” Mr Meehan said. Confirmation bias? It’s amazing the lengths some go to to bash Catholics. Is it worth it honestly?
“Yes, I always trust the word of the aggrieved party 100% in any dispute.”
…he said, using the word of one member of the aggrieved party to ‘disprove’ the word of another member of the aggrieved party. But yeah, “confirmation bias” is definitely only at play on the “liberal” side here…
@Nially, it works both ways, pet xx; I am so glad you are catching on.
Bluebeard – I just got a call/email from the catholic league of Broadsheet commenters saying that your username has pornographic connotations and as a precautionary measure you have been permanently barred from commenting or reading any future articles.
I hope you understand, its nothing personal we just want to protect the kids
Good one – the peado line. Always a good comeback.
What kind of legal action might they take? For one reason or another, good or bad, the school didn’t want them. No one has a legal right to address a school.
If anything the school can take action against Eoin O Liathain for defamation if he misrepresented the principal’s words.
Yes. I know of cases where people have had speaking appointments cancelled in schools. They didn’t go running to the media. Broadsheet is all over this one like a cheap suit.
Then what kind of message does that send to any LGBT kids who might be getting bullied in this exact school? Bullying is ok so long as its because of their sexuality? Pathetic comment
It means exactly what he said. Schools are not obligated to have LGBT groups (or any group for that matter) to speak to them. What schools have to have is an anti-bullying charter – which I assume CE does.
Get off your high horse and stop pontificating about it online; if you don’t like it, do something about it.
Derp yourself, fool.
Sincerely doubt that ShoutOut were actively ‘hired’. It is more likely that ShoutOut approached the school.
It could happen to a bishop
Paid for or not, they have to be requested by the school or a student of the school (checked the website). Fair enough if you dont think they deserve financial compensation but suggesting the school does just boils my blood
Who suggested they deserved compensation. It certainly was not me. Be better to read what was actually said before you comment.
If you’d follow your own advice, you’d see i was referring to the comment before yours
A paedo is a criminal. Thats where the line is crossed. Its seems to be ok to thrash anyone except LGBT people. You’re not the only victims in the village you know!
They weren’t hired Jimmy, but you know this. They weren’t cancelled verbally and you know this too. But let nothing stand in your way of your agenda. Including insinuating that Im a paedo.
i have been called a paedo and a homophobe in two days on here. And by people purporting to be in favour of equality, free speech and de childer. :-)
“i have been called a paedo and a homophobe in two days on here. And by people purporting to be in favour of equality, free speech and de childer. :-)”
The two aren’t inconsistent if free speech includes their right to call you a homophobe and a paedo while supporting your rights to be either
1.) They were requested, after being there the previous year. Their website shows you have to request them (as I stated before).
2.) They were cancelled verbally, as stated in the original article.
3.) Could you please outline my agenda? I seem to have missed that email.
4.) I have never insinuated you were a peado, that was the commenter after me. Also never insinuated you were a homophobe, I insinuated your username was mildly pornographic and that it would offend the cattle licks.
Facts not a big deal for you then bluey? Go lie down.
What? Reactionary bigoted trolls don’t like it up em?
A paedo is a criminal. Thats where the line is crossed. Its seems to be ok to thrash anyone except LGBT people. You’re not the only victims in the village you know
While you can request a workshop, that’s an option alright, I am sure that ShoutOut also request visits to schools. You have zero evidence that the school sought them out.
You said they were hired, not invited.
They were cancelled by email in their own words.
Verbal cancellation – i.e. no hard evidence for them to take legal action and the good catholic school can make up whatever they want
I never said you called me a homophobe
I hope you understand, its nothing personal we just want to protect the kids..
I don’t care really. It just gives me pleasure to show your hate-led agenda masked in compassion.
Nobody should have called you either, but you’re a bit too quick to anoint yourself with victim status. Free speech often means that if you take a position that disagrees with a lot of people, then a lot of people will disagree with you. To suggest that a lot of people disagreeing with you is inimical to free speech is stupid. Calling you paedo and homophobe absent evidence of either is also stupid as well as being over the line. But it hardly measures up to what the LGBT community have had to put up with, and still have to put up with.
Nigel, read my last line there! i was precisely not doing victim status and I ended my other comment with a smiley. I am pointing out the hypocrisy and incongruence of many of the commentators on here. It is a forum after all. Pulllease, I am not going to let anything on here get to me.
And please don’t use that line of “imagine what others went through” to justtify doing it to others. thats how bullying is perpetuated.
Bluebeard, the ‘oppressed’ are becoming the oppressors on here. As far as i can see, it’s okay to take the piss out of one group but not another on Broadsheet.
Well, you were trivialising it, of course, just as your complaints of free speech and equality because people are robustly disagreeing with me trivialise those, I mean that’s obvious. You want to dictate the tone and strength of the response to the issues surrounding homophobic bullying and gay marriage by dismissing expressions of genuine anger, passion and even disgust at some of the things being done and said as hypocritical and incongruous. You’re concern trolling
You’ve done nothing only haul out the victim card at every single opportunity.
So what if everyone here disagrees with your passive-aggressive trolling and disrespects your precious Mom? That is not evidence of bullying per se. But no matter, you are playing a blinder in that department and making sure that you will get precisely the type of oppobrium that your bigoted stance merits.
I think you’re right Llaregub. Broadsheet knows how to throw out the bait as well.
lol lads if you think youre being bullied then youve lead a very privileged existence upto this point
Nigel, am i upsetting the cosy agenda here? Soz!
Joe, in what way am I bigoted? Name me one place where I payed the victim? I am not a victim. I am a survivor. And beware those who have survived, because they know they can do it again. Grrrr.
Bluebeard, your constant use of “agenda” is as lame as the “homophobe” slurs you are talking about. I bet you use PC nonsense a lot too right?
I actually think it would be more oppressive if there was some sort of obligation imposed on people to take the piss out of one thing or another equally. You think its oppressive that people don’t share your sense of humour. You think its somehow oppressive to respond defensively or aggressively to people taking the piss out of LGBT people, while at the same time taking the piss out of homophobes and their enablers. I don’t think decreasing popularity and increasing irrelevance actually constitute oppression.
Well, Bluebeard, you sure as heck ain’t elevatin’ the discourse.
Bluebeard, I laugh at that fact that you have been accused of being a troll. It happens here a lot when you disagree. You get that puerile crap thrown at you. When you dare to disagree or voice an opposing view, you get called a troll. You’re right to just laugh it off.
Most people on Broadsheet are probably going to hate me for saying this, but I would tend to believe the school’s statement and their explanation of what happened. I am in no way trying to excuse it.
I am a past pupil of Colaiste Eoin and unfortunately when I was going there in the 80s, there was a small but vocal extreme element among the parents/families who attended, including the woman who is now the leader of Youth Defence. There were also families involved in Opus Dei and the Knights of Columbanus.
At the time, Colaiste Eoin also had some republican families – Aongus O Snodaigh TD is a past pupil. Generally it was a nice school to go to and even though there were a few Christian Brothers still teaching, including the headmaster, it was quite a tolerant school.
Not sure what it’s like now, but it would appear from this incident that the extreme Catholics are still able to bully the staff.
Fair point.
He’s right. They’re out there. Interestingly a lot of alumni are among the most talented and creative Irish-speaking folk going and many are heavily involved in traditional music etc. You can be sure their views are not reflected here by this reactionary gangster vocal mob
+1
Colaiste Eoin is actually already very on the ball with this subjectmatter, very tolerant
OD are in this picture
however in my view overall this has been a very very satisfying self-destruct for the asshats that made the phonecall to threaten CE
as I said earlier instead of having a simple quiet workshop one day in a school in stillorgan the issues of bullying and homophobia now being discussed all over the media, amongst the parents and their kids going to this particular school, the kids going to other schools that these kids interact with on social media
own goal hattrick
Níl aon tinteán mar do thinteán féin
Is minic a bhris beal duine a shron ;)
Hi Joe, yes, I should have added that in my original post. The extreme Catholics were thankfully outnumbered by so many decent, talented, creative people. There are countless examples of CE alumni working in the media, making & playing music etc. It was a nice school to attend and I feel saddened a bit that it is in the media due to the reactionary/bigoted element.
Coláiste Eoin is an excellent school and I know some great Alumni.
Still not sure what exactly happened, but I’m sure the initial reporting did not give the full story.
The way they were pounced on for this is sad. The glee with which people pounced is even sadder. McCarthyism at its best!
By all accounts it is an excellent school and this is unfortunate, but I think to qualify for the best kind of McCarthyism it needs more national fear, paranoia, hysteria and individuals compelled to testify before extremely powerful kangaroo government committees.
We are on our way.
So clearly you are saying our McCarthyism could do with some improvement and this is not, in fact, the best that our McCarthyism has to offer, and there are many miles to go yet on the long road to the best of McCarthyism, so you are comparing this to something it does not really resemble that happened in the past and something it does not resemble that may or may not happen in the distant future. That’s the kind of grounded, sensible perspective we need on this issue, truly.
The “homphobic” witchunt is gathering pace. I have never heard the word flung around so much. In fact, its in danger of becoming meaningless. The marriage referendum is not a ground to settle scores, it is a ground to bring a common good. but some chose it as a platform to accuse, hate and fingerpoint which will taint any victory. I wouldn’t accept it from either side.
See? This is concern trolling. ‘I agree with you but I’m gravely concerned that you’re doing it wrong and evil!’ If somebody talking about this issue didn’t call someone a homophobe, I’m sure you or someone like you would be along directly to talk about how it’s awful that everyone is being accused of being a homophobe and that’ll dominate the conversation thereafter nicely, and the more people talk about how the yes side are calling everyone who disagrees with them homophobes the more true it will become, whether it’s true or not. I fully anticipate the Iona institute to adopt this tactic.
Oh please Nigel. leave it out. Concern trolling? What is that? is it like victims and paedos and bigots and every other cr*p being bandied around here. Everyone here claims to be concerned for someone. I agree with gay marriage and I hate those who are using the referendum to spite others. On either side. Can I be any clearer. More than anything i hate the hypocrites who hate in the name of love. If you want the yes side not to concentrate on the homophobe word, then stop throwing it around and engage with the actual issues they are raising.
Oh, sure, why can’t you be nicer to the people who hate you? And why can’t you be kinder and gentler to the people who may not hate you per se, but who have aligned themselves with the people who do and give them cover. Like Bluebeard! As a strategy, I agree, attacking them is not the way to go. But you act as if there’s moral parity between the two sides, and that’s just laughable.
I don’t know if you have worked on any campaigns Nigel. I have on plenty. And in my opinion you begin by respecting your opposition and their point of view, even if you disagree. Remember it is never those who are converted you speak to, or those who you will never convert (Iona etc), it is the bulk of people in the middle who you are trying to sway. Thats why reasoned, persuasive argument works, not shouty insults.
This isn’t The Campaign. This is the Broadsheet comment section. You’re not critiquing strategy. You’re accusing gay marriage supporters of being equivalent to homophobes because they sometimes call people who oppose gay marriage homophobic. If it was just about strategy, you wouldn’t be decrying gay marriage supporters as McCarthyites.
There you go again with the good old victim card. Fair play to you for consistency and tedium.
As i said, name me one place where I was a bigot, one place where I was a victim. And as for the troll accusation, stop making me laugh. You’re probably not used to being stood up to. This is what it feels like. I am a lion, hear me roar.
You are a sad, sad person.
Who woke you up?
You’re a silly little pussycat. Go play with a ball of string elsewhere.
You’re obsessed with homophobia Nigel.
Show your work.