This morning.
The launch by Transport Minister Paschal Donohue of Ireland’s first ‘automated Red Light Camera System’ at the junction of Blackhall Place, Dublin on the Red Luas Line this afternoon,
Scene of many a prang.
Motorists breaking the set of red lights pictured will automatically receive three penalty points on their licence.
They will be automatically wiped should you be the Garda Commissioner, newspaper editor, etc.
Sound reasoning or traffic fascism?
You must decide.
(Leah Farrell/Photocall Ireland)
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They should have the same cameras on most busy junctions
+ 111
Yep, I wish it could be applied to cyclists too.
Could do with these in a lot of place around the country I suspect. One T junction close to where I live (Drogheda) is absolutely lethal for people breaking the lights . I expect it at this junction so know to be alert when crossing but I have seen some very close calls there.
+N7 + N4 junctions of Dublin west. They are particularly wide ones, and both the motorists and cyclists underestimate the clearance time.
I’m pretty sure that camera has been there for at least 2 years, did someone forget to plug it in
They should fine cyclists who break red lights while they are at it.
They should fine pedestrians who don’t cross at pedestrian crossings while they are at it.
They do already. Chill out with your cyclist hate.
Cyclists should be banned from roadways and confined to fields.
Cyclists should be required to hire someone to walk in front of them and ring a bell announcing their imminent approach.
… While also rolling out a cycle lane in the direction of their most convenience
go have a wank penis face.
Don’t mind if I do.
*fap*
Yes, there are loads of delays caused by cyclists stopping in junctions…
There are loads of accidents caused by cyclists choosing to ignore traffic lights.
Really??
Have you anything AT ALL to back up this wild claim?
Will you still get penalty points, if you can show the guards that you had good reason to go through on red?
Yeah, you will. You don’t have reason to go through on red but I’d like to hear some of your excuses.
These have been placed and removed in many US States as they are crazily inaccurate. How many times have you entered a junction and the clown in front stops being a 12ft gap ahead of them? You are stuck, light goes red and fraction later they moved forward. Heavy commuter traffic, some hold up, same story. Snap and 3 points. I know you should only enter a junction if its clear to proceed but these cameras don’t take into accounts the vast majority of moron drivers that we share the road with.
Then you didn’t break the light.
The camera is ‘dumb’ It just sees you moving after the light goes red. So it doesn’t matter. Hence why a Garda on patrol the odd time is far more effective as at least you have some human input.
Oh yeah. The rules of the road shouldn’t apply to you, just to all the ‘moron drivers’.
You didn’t break the light, you just entered a junction without having a clear exit. Which is another item of stupidity amongst many drivers.
I suspect this new traffic light protocol/legislation along with the camera for the Luas has been has been designed by Law Library students to generate new income streams.
Put fifty of them on Bridgestreet Upper/Wormwood/Cook Street !
Either that or I’m going to flip out in that yellow box someday, mark my words, I’ll be caught lifting some driver out of his comfy seat for running the white stop line, running the red light and still continuing into the yellow box and with no exit available…… ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGHHH !
At the end of the Irish version “From here to maternity” or whatever pun name they have. There’s footage in the official ending with the end credits of a car going through the red lights at the Holles street, merrion square junction. This person needs to be brought to justice. Unless of course, there’s an impending delivery in that car. Then as you were…
#talktoPaschal
Breaking a red on camera should be 6 month ban. Pay attention drivers!
Live near Holles street and 2 months ago emailed all the local councillors about the number of cars breaking red lights at the junction of Holles and Merrion Sq. They replied and brought it up with the council traffic department saying they were trialling red light cameras and would investigate placing one at the junction.
Fairplay!
Surely the incentive to stop is not getting hit by a tram?
You’d think so, wouldn’t you.
Surely the problem should solve itself within a few generations?
“Scene of many a prang.”
How many are we talking about, over how long of a time period for what volume of traffic? I am trying to get a baseline for how they will decide when they install one.
“How many are we talking about, over how long of a time period for what volume of traffic?”
Who are you asking?
will there be a second camera to take the footage of people crashing into this one?
Wasn’t / Isn’t there one of these red light cameras at the junction of the N4 inbound and the South Circular at Islandbridge ?
2009 – https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.343732,-6.308254,3a,75y,306.45h,83.53t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sHrEPFA_UkzwM_MOhYniXNw!2e0
2014 – https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.343706,-6.308399,3a,75y,307.46h,87.27t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1snWUPlAnudeQqCfQqlE94Lg!2e0!5s20140601T000000
Yup, but the law was never changed so penalty points could be given out. All the driver got was a sternly written letter.
https://twitter.com/tupp_ed has a few interesting questions about this today (and if you’re not following him already btw, you’re missing out):
And then he started asking the Gardai…
Except he has no idea what he is talking about. The pictures are sent, in the same manner as GoSafe, and processed for issuing fines by An Garda in Templemore. Its not constantly recording. Its linked to the Traffic system onsite and is on when the lights are red (And a time frame either side of it) There is no data retention. And either way, its a public place and your license plate is public and must be clearly displayed. No reasonable expectation of privacy.
Just before you say he has no idea what he’s talking about, take a quick google and see what his job is and what he’s done in the last year or two.
I’d be comfortable enough saying he knew what he was talking about when it comes to data privacy…
Also, if you think they’ve got a network good enough to only record from 1/30th of a second before the red light to 1/30th of a second after it, and have their times all sync’d up enough for that to be reliable, I’ve got a paper for you to read…
http://infiniteundo.com/post/25326999628/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-time
If it’s a company car, will you get penalty points? Seems like this always kills these schemes.
Of course. Licence holder gets ze pointz.
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Or, was your asinine contribution because he has a lisp?
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Sounds like a slow news day.