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Terrible and sad and unfair…
you know all other issues are nothing compared to that picture.
And Ireland could be doing so much more to help. Our refugee intake quota is a disgrace. https://twitter.com/theeconomist/status/638780120388472833
I am very, very disturbed by that photo.
Cork version of the Irish Times made quite a fuss about not printing a photo of a live blonde woman before she was killed by a black mental hospital case. You could smell the moral superiority, finger-wagging at the evil British red tops (London Times exempt from any such finger pointing) all the way from Dublin. Yet fast forward a few days and the Examiner feel perfectly entitled to opine away underneath the picture of a dead boy. It must be tough trying to sell advertising these days.
It’s all about the money these days. And I don’t mean greed, I mean survival. Newspaper staff want to hold on to their jobs, it’s all about the advertising revenue, as it dwindles away.
Certainly not about telling the great unwashed what to think anymore.
The fact that you cannot see the difference in the two situations and decide to make some illiterate point about race and a snide shot at the paper rather than the corpse of a little boy says a lot about you.
It certainly does. Well said Kieran UFC ;)
The fact that you fail to see the exploitation of this little boy says so much more about you.
I’m no fan of the Examiner but there is a marked difference between the two cases.
1. Not printing the graphic images of the shooting in the US was stating that they would not be tools of propaganda for that lunatic, since the shooter was the one who videoed the shooting and posted it online.
2. Printing the horrible image above is not serving as propaganda for anyone but trying to shock people into taking notice as to what’s going on in Southern and Eastern Europe right now.
The Guardian took the same approach.
Did you just compare the Examiner to the London Guardian? Lol. Not that I have any time for 21st century second-rate academics nor the “gender theory” they espouse. Funny thing is, the Guardian make most of their money from a car ad site that sells objects of reproductive advantage to, you guessed it, competitive men. The Cork Examiner has no such support (though it is propped up with State advertising in return for you know what).
Just those two and only those two reasons eh? Do you not think the Examiner will just publish whatever they feel is expedient on a particular day before going home? They change their tune like the Irish wearher. This idea that Cirk Examiner journos are on a mission to create some New Ireland (based on with-it views picked up in the Guardian) is laughable. The pretence that there’s some consistency or concern isn’t borne by the Examiner’s checkered history (and recent history). Anyway, who cares? Cork civil servants? Do these people really matter? They can be sold new cars, health insurance hotel breaks or cruises. That’s the main purpose of the dinosaur paper.
The Guardian sold Autotrader last year. They currently don’t really make money on anything.
What are you on about??
Oh and why would Examiner editors go all the way up to Dublin to do their finger wagging? Or were they just up there coincidentally?
That is a stupid comment.
You clearly think you’re being intelligent with your reading of this, but it’s been a while since I’ve seen something so stupid (that wasn’t blatant trolling) written by a commenter on this site. There is absolutely no comparison between the two situations.
Editorial and journalistic ethics are a thing of the past. The domino effect here simply reinforces this. Monkey see monkey do.
Yes but now we get think pieces on: why did monkey do? Did monkey actually see what monkey did? We talk to a relative who said monkeys never done that before. An expert tells us why no monkey could actually do that. Monkey appears tearfully on TV apologising saying he should never have did what he done.
Think pieces, opinion pieces and a picture of the “journalist” accompanying the copy. Superstar DJ ! Hacks the lot of them. Story telling and reportage have lazily been replaced by the image heavy media. Grrrrr
John, what does ‘Cork version of the Irish Times’ even mean?
Other than both being broadsheets, how are they the same?
The same tired left wing/pinko/gyno/permanent pay roll/social justice warrior/5 years from retirement clap-trap (peppered with plenty of property porn) with a Cork twist. And yet there are still fresh third and forth wave feminists (females and even males nowadays) desperately piling on to volunteer at these places.
There’s a lot of right wing reactionary crap coming out of the Examiner these days.
You’re really bending over backwards to make an absolutely moronic point here
Over the past few weeks, there’s been several photos online of drowned children washed up on beaches and I couldn’t understand the why there was no outcry – the publication of this gruesome image should go some way to clarify what’s happening to innocent people due to these wars.
I have no words only useless tears …. I ask this question out of genuine want.. what can I do?
You’ve just made me cry now
Sign the petition
https://uplift.ie/
it’s a start
There’s a demonstration on the 10th.
https://www.facebook.com/events/1490761021245437/
Plus the Prelude Arts Cafe in Bray is collecting for the refugees. More info on that events page, but I copy and pasted some of it below to give you the idea:
Prelude Arts Cafe
Bray, Ireland
There are collections for a containers that are going to Greece for Women and Children and Babies. Also going to try get stuff to Hungary where mostly Women and children are.
Kos Kindness is the organisation This is a list they have put up.
and also clothes needed.
Items needed!
Nappies
Baby wipes
Nappy sacks
Baby biscuits
Baby bottles
Sanitary towels
Soap
Small towels
Toothbrushes
Toothpaste
Razzors
Colouring books and pencils for the Children
I was also thinking to day a treat of candy sweets for the children.
There is a container going to Calais on 20th Sept..
There are mostly men in Calais and they are looking for Urgently needed:
– tents esp 4 man plus
– heavy duty rubbish bags
– blankets
– sleeping bags
– mens warm winter clothes S & M sized as well as scarves, hats and gloves
– mens shoes – runners & walking shoes only
– candles and torches
– toothpaste, toothbrushes, soap, razors, shaving foam, tissues, toiletries bags
– bikes, puncture repair kits and bike tools
– medicines and first aid supplies
I didn’t realise Calais was such a war torn hell hole.
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There are a lot of charities doing good work – try http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/5-practical-ways-you-can-help-refugees-trying-to-find-safety-in-europe-10482902.html for a start even though its UK based. I think the Irish refugee council are coordinating collections too. Check twitter as well, I know people are getting together donations/collections there as well.
Really have been beyond upset at that image all day.
Waiting for the ‘let them drown’ brigade who were on here to come defend themselves now.
While these are obviously unutterably sad and powerful images, the idea that this little boy’s death is somehow “the EU’s fault” is a gross over-simplification of the situation. I fear that this may well prove to be the point at which raw emotion and a misplaced sense of collective guilt come to define the EU’s response to the migration crisis. If so, the long-term consequences could be more far-reaching than anyone can imagine.
No it isn’t
Nobody is saying it’s the EU’s fault. Just because it’s not out fault doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do something about it.
Of course we should do something, and more than we’re currently doing (the rest of the western world and the Gulf States should be doing something too, of course). What do you suggest?
Btw, in this instance the family had already made it to the safety of Turkey and then made an ill-advised attempt to sail to Greece in a small boat. There’s not a whole lot you can do to prevent something like thAt.
+1
I fear that’s an image that’s going haunt me for a while.
My heart just walloped in my chest when I saw that picture. To say it is distressing, is the understatement of the century. Its a dog eat dog world out there and it will never be any different. Over and over again…. Makes you understand why people at a certain time in their lives are happy to see the end of it. You really would get sick of “this place”
Now if only families in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, North Korea, lots of African countries could get their dead kids on the front of the examiner, THEN things would change.
They do but no one cares. People become desensitised.
This region has been deliberately destabilised by the U.S. and it’s European allies. Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Libya are on the verge of destruction as viable States. Their populations now face death, violent chaos or attempting to escape, where death can also come in the Mediterranean or the back of a truck. The U.S. Allies in the Gulf, KSA, UAE, etc are funding ISIS and other grisly groups. NATO member Turkey is using current situation to attack the Kurds who have been the most effective fighters against ISIS. The end goal for another regional power, Israel, is to see Iraq and Syria broken up into their ethnic and sectarian parts to permanently neutralise their threat. This is the fruit of the ongoing neocon project and their will be thousands of more dead children before it’s over. This is the banality of evil at work for all to see but we can’t see the wood for the trees. This is a tragedy the west created and now refuses to take responsibility for. The boys name was Aylan Kurdi and his older brother Ghalib also perished.
Give me a break with your neocon claptrap, it’s not 2001. This has about as much to do with the Roman Empire as it does with U S foreign and fiscal policy. The reality is, it has more to do with local and tribal philosophies. A little boy, like many before him, has died. It’s a f…ING tragedy. But don’t blame it on the boogeyman. Instead look at the core values,moral edicts and barbarism that are pervasive in the territories these poor people are fleeing.v
Oh and when was the last time Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Libya were classed as “viable” states? And what does that even mean.
And of course you had to mention Israel. Lazy as hell.
Does anybody know where I can see a cover of last Sunday’s ‘Examiner’.It’s for comparison purposes.
Irish media have been willingly turning their attention away from matters closer to home and I wondered if Examiner were just as culpible.
It’s impossible to look at that image without grave sadness.
‘Irish media have been willingly turning their attention away from matters closer to home and I wondered if Examiner were just as culpible.’
What utter nonsense. The Irish papers are far too concerned with every petty matter at home.
Irish water protests were kind of ignored I think.
The Examiner doesn’t come out on Sunday. Clicking “De Papers” tag on Broadsheet should give you what you’re looking for.
Are they really refugees? Why are they camped in their thousands outside Budapest station. Outside Calais.
They clearly have a destination in mind. Whilst Syria has suffered war, the whole country is not a war zone. It is still a functioning state.
Are you really an actual person? Or just a spambot?
Ignore it.
Why are leaving a functioning state in the thousands?
The war has given them a much greater chance of getting residency in the country of their choice.
Hurray, ive always wanted to see the Alps since watching the Sound of Music. Now that there is 3 way war in my country we can pay thousand of dollars to criminals and run the risk to drowning, or suffocating in the back of a lorry in the hopes we can run through the valleys singing like Julie Andrews. Life closes a door in your face but opens a window.
War eh? what is it good for…… an opportunity to go somewhere nice if you survive the journey.
Youre a ballbag and pitiful wind up merchant.
If people reply to these trollish comments they will continue. If people don’t, I expect the comments will go through ‘an extinction phase’, where they become increasingly abhorrent, vying for your attention. Once these comments are not replied to, the trollish comments will stop altogether. He/she will cop themselves on, or go somewhere else.
There is something wrong with you.
If they are fleeing a war zone in fear of their lives and safety then yes, they are refugees.
Wow, horrifically powerful image of that poor boy – one can only seek a way to help these poor fellow humans.
I have been shamed as an Irish person when I hear on the radio the mean spirited texts and comments from some about letting refugees into Ireland, compete lack of human empathy, a vile empty fear of loosing out materially if you let ‘them’ in, I hope they never experience war. See the response in Berlin this week to arriving refugees despite Merkels lack of enthusiasm, overwhelming generosity from the citizens.
Refugees are the new ice bucket challenge.
Sweet Jesus. What a comment.
Yep, poverty tourism will be replaced by famine and the dying tourism also.
Don’t forget the economic migration, health tourism and muslims playing a 100 year infiltration game. Import mass low quality. Export rare high quality. That’s the Irish way.
Soon there won’t be enough productive members of society to pay for it all. I guess this is what they call ethno-maaochism? Only when we admit there’s a problem can we begin to do something about it. We have a long way to go yet. The Irish establishment and their media mouth pieces benefit greatly from the destruction of the working class and now middle class. Is a huge welfare underclass really in their long term interest?
My view on Eastern Europe is
– Ireland publishes an immigration policy and allocates resources to implement and enforce it
– Ireland pressurises Middle Eastern states to take their fair share
– anyone with proper documentation is admitted without question and put into the system
– Christian brethren from Syria are given first dibs. We have a rich Christian tradition in Ireland. I think all churches in Ireland would share this view.
Yeah. Ugh.
I think I need to step away from this site for a bit. The anger, cynicism, lack of empathy, name-calling, bullying of different points of view, trolling, bile, posts designed to whip people into a particular unfocused political frenzy, the demagoguery, conspiracy theorists… it’s just too much. I don’t want to open Broadsheet every morning and be depressed. The jokes aren’t even good anymore.
So see you guys in a week or two. Have fun scoring ‘points’ off each other over the death of a three year old boy.
This was a one-off Kieran, never to happen again.
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/04/16/vinyly-2/
I think I need a break too.
The family were trying to reach Canada. It was their call and their mistake.
It’s not out problem so I’m not going to be made feel guilty like I’ve had some kind of influence in a child’s death.
I could be banned so I’ll say nothing.
Yeah trying to reach other relatives, you know, what pretty much most people would want, to be near or with family??
Keep telling yourself that.
Oh that’s ok. No one would even leave in the charge of a donkey let alone children.
Leave you in charge I meant.
Wow, you are profoundly thick!
Yo Saudi Arabia and Oman and Jordan should be sending in planes and boats to take all these people?
The INTERNET outrage brigade are using this image for facebook likes all day……
Exactly. Where were they last week before the picture of the kid? Loads of kids died on ships crossing the Mediterranean all summer but it’s only a huge issue today because we have a tragic image. Amy Humberman and the rest of the clicktivist army sharing petitions now online. People are so full of shit.
Bunch of johnny-come-lately bandwaggoners. Not like you Jonotti. Your history of campaigning about the plight of refugees is well known.
Yes that Amy Humberman really grinds my gears
Jordan already has refugee camps for Syrians and Iraqis. But you knew that right?