From left: Tanaiste and Labour Party Minister for Social Protestion Joan Burton with Fine Gael Minister for Justice Frances Fitzgerald and Minister for Foreign Affairs Charlie Flanagan at a media briefing following the special government Meeting on the EU Refugee Crisis.
Minister for Justice Frances Fitzgerald has said Ireland will welcome 4,000 refugees under the Irish Refugee Protection Programme.
However…
The figure includes the 600 people already committed to earlier this year under the proposed EU Relocation programme, and the 520 programme refugees currently being resettled to Ireland under a previously-agreed programme.
Ah.
Speaking following a special Cabinet meeting this morning, Ms Fitzgerald said ministers have decided to establish a network of emergency network and orientation centres around the country. Ms Fitzgerald said the cost was was €12m a year for every thousand refugees.
Govt announces plans to accept 4,000 refugees (RTÉ)
Earlier: Our Uncivil War
(Sam Boal/RollingNews.ie)
Great news. Nice to help. I’m sure they put in lots of hours discussing the feasibility and logistical framework. Credit where it’s due.
This is an embarrassment.
Oh.
Why?
Fair enough.
For some perspective, up to now….
Ireland – 8,249 refugees / 536 per citizen / 0.19% of population
Germany – 571,685 refugees / 144 per citizen / 0.70% of population
Add the numbers both countries plan to take in 2014:
800,000 more in Germany
4,000 more in Ireland
New stats by end of 2014 should be approximately….
Ireland – Pop. 4.4m / 12,249 refugees / 361 per citizen / 0.28% of population
Germany – Pop. 82m / 1,371,685 refugees / 60 per citizen / 1.67% of population
That’s 1 per 536 citizens (Ireland), and 1 per 144 citizens (Germany), you mean, ya?
Oops :)
Yep, thanks for the correction! The rest is correct.
And we’re in 2015 now :)
Good weekend
Yep… nearly two whole days in bed after it, and I wasn’t even drinking…. made me feel old….. :(
Yes, “plan to take in 2015″…. that should read.
Can we stop the silly Germany number comparison? First off the year is 2015. The 800000 figure is for 2015- 2016. Next we need to look at the reasons why Germany are being so generous, I suggest taking a look at this very well put article comparing UK vs Germany demographics.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/refugee-crisis-uk-vs-german-demographics-2015-9
Aside from this both country dont have the same unemployment rate at all (13.1% vs 5.3%) and debts levels are different also. This aside, this is not a p*ssing context as to who will take the most refugees….
I know it is not a pissing contest ya sap. That’s why I put up the figs without comment.
Yes, I’ve read that link. So… why did YOU make a comparison with Germany if you think it’s not worth looking at. You even provided a link and some stats! :)
Sure, while you’re at the no comparison bit, will you give Angela a call and tell her to stop making comparisons of Germany’s effort compared to the rest of Europe because it means so little to you. Good lad.
And of course, I apologise for my typos.
“Sap” ? Are you from north Dublin?
I provided counter numbers to show that comparison can go both ways, I did not expect you would catch up on that. I was right to think that way.
:)
Will Angela make comparison of how much of the banking debt Germany took on while she is at it? She plays the numbers when it suits her…that being said Ireland should take in whatever amount of refugees we can regardless of what other countries are doing
Why do people keep ignoring the fact most of these “refugees” are young fairly fit men. Less than a year ago IS said they’d flood Europe with 500,000 soldiers and they’d do it by boat. And that we won’t know what hit us. Are people actually blind.
Don’t worry, we’ll probably stick them in Direct Provisioning camps.
Where they can radicalise the ones already there. Yeepee
Would IS really train people to put them on through a dangerous boat journey then a lengthy march to their target country, possibly via a period of time in a refugee camp/centre? That’s really playing the long game when realistically they could fly them directly in.
Also, where will they get the weapons to do their mass uprising? And how are they going to get enough people to each country to make sure they can set up?
They will strapped weaponry to their bodies before they get on the boats maybe?
Which won’t get found out at any point, I’m sure!
Also, they’ll have enough ammunition on them to prosecute an extended guerilla campaign with no chance of logistical support.
They disguise the guns as babies you see. And wear grenades as earrings.
I genuinely do have a fear that some of these people are going to be radicals, but those comments above are hilarious I laughed out load.
Of course they did. They also said they’d kill the pope and mount a land invasion of America.
They’re mental, proper mentallers who will say any ould crap to put the willies up the west. It doesn’t mean we stop helping the sane people who have the sense to get away from them
okay i agree with your point in general terms of them being loppers. But only today i seen a pic of 6 refugees and the lads are built like the Hulk on steroids, If id been living in a war zone I don’t think I’d have time to hit the weights. An awful lot are not refugees and plain as day. I also would not be refusing food and water which has been happening.
@Anomanomanom
Perhaps you are mistaken.
e.g. https://twitter.com/deshocks/status/642080097038675969
nope that’s not what i was talking about.
The link is about mistaking refugees for members of IS and refers to refugees allegedly refusing food. That is the subject matter of your comments.
Personally I think you are making a lot of suppositions without any proof. Adding to the unsubstantiated internet chatter that bigots thrive on. I don’t think it’s helpful.
Because in third world countries two things happen….
1 – HUGE young population / large families (like here years ago)
2 – Death rates / life expectancy far younger than our privileged island
You can look up other reasons yourself.
Because they leave their families in the surrounding countries of the one they’re feeling (where they’re safe for the moment) and head off to other countries in search of better opportunities so they can try and settle before hoping to get their families to join them. It’s much easier to travel on your own instead of as a family.
Ah right, so theyre economic migrants picking a country with the best prospects for them. Thanks for clarifying.
Some are. They have been forced to settle in countries that despise them and so they hope for better, as they know that they’re doomed if they stay there. It’s exactly what you would do.
This is a 566% increase on the previously agreed numbers. What have other countries increased their allocations by? I know its almost genetically bred into Irish people to bitch and whinge, but perhaps we should give a modest amount of credit when it is actually due.
Are my maths correct? €120,000 to support each refugee a year.
no its €12000 per year per refugee
Thanks. I’m not the brightest bulb in the socket.
Cost of an annuity figure is roughly 30x right now. ie €12k per year into perpetuity (obviously it may not actually be into perpetuity, but if there’s no end date…) would have an NPV of €400k per refugee, or €1.6bn for 4,000. Highly simplistic maths there, but so is simply looking at a one year cost.
That also assumes none of the 4000 get jobs or contribute in any way.
yes agreed, hence why I said “it may not actually be into perpetuity”….
Highly pointless extrapolation.
Its not pointless if this is going to be a situation of indefinite duration. We have a history in this country of not really planning for the long term on stuff. Perhaps we should change that strategy from now on.
If we raise the pensionable age for TDs to 65 we could pay for all of them, and then some.
We could have saved a million euro on Ivan Yates’ pension that he’ll have received between the ages of 50-65 if this was done.
Imagine if ALL TDs had pensions at the state penionable age… the millions upon millions saved would benefit the whole country and TDs would be giving up something they were never entitled to in the first place (only for Haughey decided they deserved it a few years ago).
Problem solved.
Good idea.
Why they believe they should retire early AND have enormous holidays really sickens me.
I’d say the boys that come here will head straight to Germany and the Uzk the first chance they get so fear not
Don smacks head, opens mouth, has another Homer Simpson moment.
Oh Jonotti is that you?
Based on the journal comments and red/green arrpws 85-90% of people are against this. We have absolutely nothing to gain from this and no obligation to help. How many hundreds of thousands are the USA taking? How about nearby Israel?
Why should we care about other people? Why can’t someone else do it?
You should go on tour
Good stats there ya twit. 85-90% of journal commenters are utter morons too therefore, eh, what??
I think it’s an actual reflection of Irish society.
Israel – Big fat zero
USA – 1,500 in the last five years, plus about 4bn+ …they should be taking more refugees!
“4bn+” …dollars in aid relief and supports
The journal eh? Well, that’s this argument over. Maybe we can have the lads on youtube settle racism.
285k likes on Facebook. 19k for this site.
Thejournal is Ireland. Broadsheet is not.
In much the same way that you are a respectable human being and the rest of us aren’t
Good job defending blatant rascism there, Jonotti.
Counting Facebook likes is a nonsense :)
How many of those likes are from Kathmandu?
Facebook? Good man granddad.
every time you comment, i’ll remind you of this.