This afternoon.
Leinster House, Kildare Street, Dublin
Members of Pavee Point and the Roma Centre hand over (to junior justice minister Aodhan O’Riordan) a petition of 5,463 signatures from people offering solidarity with the bereaved families and the wider traveller community in the wake of the Carrickmines fire tragedy last month.
The groups are seeking the set up of a Traveller Agency to drive “improvements in traveller accommodation, health, education and employment”.
From top: Michael Collins, Manu Paun and Patrick Reilly; Co-directer of the Pavee Point Traveller and Roma Centre, Ronnie Fay, Tessa Collins, Labour Party Minister of State at the Department of Justice and Equality and Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht, Aodhan O’Riordan and Tracy Reilly
(Leah Farrell/Rollingnews.ie)
want the same rights? abide by the same rules!
Ye pay taxes etc or you can etc etc
Could Pave point not fill the role?
5,463 signatures? That’s a pretty small number, considering there is 30,00 travellers in Ireland
That’d be crazy, like getting the Law Society to regulate solicitors. Oh, wait…
This is going to get messy. I reckon there will be two categories. Those who think that Travellers deserve to be treated more favourably than those in minimum wage employment and those who think that Travellers need to show some more accountability for their situation.
“Those who think that Travellers deserve to be treated more favourably than those in minimum wage employment”
Huh?
How many people do you know in minimum wage employment that get accommodation given to them for free?
*bespoke accommodation
This will go well.
Pavee point would boil your blood. Never a mention of the things travellers do wrong, like literally taking over ennis and wrecking it. Generational fighting between families, wrecking nearly any site their on and then leaving it a dump. I could be here all night. And none of these things are racist there just facts.
“And none of these things are racist there just facts.”
Lol.
-1 to your ‘lol’. Controversy peddling idiot.
Lol.
It’s not controversial it’s fact. I drink with travellers iv no problems with the ones i know. But you need to get a job pulling a cart because your blinker vision is better than any horse. And someone please explain how it is in fact racist, Go to ennis and have a look, in fact go anywhere travellers are or have just left.
If you drink with them then that changes everything
Of course it does. I’m trying to show i know it’s not all of them, but in my dealings it is well over 50%.
I was agreeing with this stance.
[I] could be here all night.
We could try the fish.
“I could have daaaaawnced all niiiiiiiight”
Remember the time they wanted their own flag?
Did it utilise muted tones and subtlety ?
what a shame sepp blatter’s gone, FIFA are great for recognising nationhood even when the UN doesn’t. they could milk a few million for a footie team too. watch this space..
Prick
I did chuckle thinking of someone handing in a sheet with 5,463 ‘X’s on it.
‘See there. That 5,463 signatures boss. All in agreement’.
You’re some boyo.
I’ve been a victim of crime twice. Once by Irish travellers, once by Roma travellers. My experiences form my opinions.
I’ve been mugged once. By a Dubliner. My parents home was broken into. By Dubliners. Using ollie logic, it’s perfectly fine for me to say people from Dublin are degenerate criminals, right?
Well, actually… yes, but we would rather you ignored it.
22 missing bikes in and I’m still ignoring the fupping Dubs!
It’s just not working boss.
you know, they kidnap these bikes and do inhumane and bizarre experiments on them in order to create the next generation of super-bikes.
Were they Dublin travellers?
I’m a Dubliner.
Whenever me and me mates mug, rob or steal we always use Traveller accents.
Then we escape on horseback.
Works every time.
Yup. Only difference is Dubliners are paying Ireland’s way, whereas… ;o)
Anyone here from Carrickmines? No need to comment , we know what you think …
Is that Phil the psychic?
yawn
there’s only so much spincycle I can take in one day
nite
I agree with Anonomoron above regarding ‘Generational fighting between families‘.
(And nothing else.)
If Travellers want to progress in getting better rights they have to unite as one voice first, not seven or eight shouting over each and calling each other ‘buckets of s****’ on Youtube.
There should be an organisation…
…oh wait….
You’d swear that organised bare knuckle boxing matches have absolutely nothing to do with travellers getting basic human rights.
Stop fudging stuff you know to make a point.
Free homes isn’t “basic”, it’s something above and beyond, and is something a lot more than minimum wage earners get. Let’s just be clear on that.
I know some will say but others get X, cause they’re settled and travelers don’t etc…. That’s not my point. My point is, it’s not “basic” it’s more than that.
Ha ha, Clampers,
Your overuse of the word ‘Point’ is something I should’ve used in my comment.
Thanks for the endorsement.
Ok then.
You’d swear organised bare knuckle boxing matches have absolutely nothing to do with travellers getting human rights. Better? Different at all?
What human rights are travellers not getting?
#StopCommittingCrimes
We are a Republic and all Citizens are equal, enacting a special status
would be unconstitutional…..anyone know anything about the actions of
Sligo County Council a week ago demolishing a stucturally sound dwelling
previously occupied by travellers on the Ballina Road outside Tubbercurry
In light of the fact that the Council is up to its lugs in debt why was’nt the
house sold off.
It’s time for travellers to settle. Nomadic lifestyles and way, waaaaaaay out of date customs like marrying too young and opting out of education shouldn’t be glorified or promoted in one group out of tradition and looked down on in another group by reason of, you know, reason. It’s discriminatory to their kids at the very least who end up totally disadvantaged compared to the rest of us.
Ah. So your tolerance and celebrating diversity really only extends to gay issues. Other groups have to conform.
Got it, thanks. Hard work following your ‘liberal’ values! They must be an Irish version.
Which items I mentioned do you actively ‘celebrate’?
The worryingly young marriage age?
Leaving education early?
The faux-nomadic lifystyle which often results in them turning down perfectly adequate council housing in lieu of a halting site?
Which ones of those?
Do you think children housed in portacabins by settled people wouldn’t attract more attention from social services? Is that not discriminatory?
Honestly, explain to me why it’s healthy to continue with outmoded culutral traits? There’s nothing illiberal about pointing out facets of a culture directly negatively affecting people – I deplore tonnes of things gay culture does.
And because some members of the Traveling community engage in behaviour you find problematic (which could be fixed by better education and support), you want them to pack up their entire culture?
Some gay people engage in problematic behaviour with drugs and promiscuity. Does that mean gay people didn’t ‘earn’ gay marriage in your eyes? At what point will Travellers ‘earn’ the right to exist? Maybe as long as they don’t ‘do it in public’ and rub our faces in it? Sound familiar?
I’m glad you’re so ready to ‘cure’ their deficiencies by ending their culture. Ahjaysiz knows best, everyone. Small-c conservatism at its best, and blinkered to your hypocrisy.
Living on a halting site is not ‘culture’
Sigh…
Your conflation is bull since I never once argued that giving me and the rest of Gaydom equal rights would solve the problems of some gay men being idiots around safe sex, drug abuse and whatever else – I constantly and regularly post about how we need to get our fupping act together, ourselves.
But fine, you’ve browbeaten me enough so the problems I mentioned no longer exist – they’re all right as they are. Their clinging to aspects of their culture massively unsuited to the 21st century plays zero role in the massive demographic, social, health and financial crises their community faces. All these things are purely the fault of everyone else.
And we all know dropping the bad parts from ones culture means destruction of that culture in it’s entirety, which is why the rest of Irish society clings desperately to beloveed institutions like Magadalene laundies, clerical dominance of our government, psychotic sexual prurience and everything else we decided not to shed in the last 50 years so we could still be Irish.
And *never* have I argued for special rights for gay people to make up for the crap we’ve put up with over the years. I don’t see what’s wrong in saying that the standard of accommodation in social housing for the general public should be the same as that for travelers, gays, Roma, Poles, leprechauns.
Wow, way to miss the point and engage in histrionics. Have you been learning debating style from rotide? I suggest their problems could be fixed with education and support from the government and settled community and you go full Irish-Godwin.
Also – trying to play the victim doesn’t suit you. You’re far too much of a bully.
Oh, get her.
You’re the one who succumbed to hand-wringing hysteria and tired, lazy insults at the drop of the hat at the heresy that a *cintilla* of the problem could lie in the way travelers and Roma insist on total separateness yet demand full subvention for quirky outdated, unsustainable cultural norms and a total revulsion of integration with wider society.
The truth lies probably somewhere in between our two arguments – I know that, but you’re so busy luxuriating in the warmth of your altruistic purity pashmina it doesn’t really matter, you get to feel better by playing shining knight of the downtrodden for the small price of ignoring half the bloody picture.
Altruistic purity pashmina ?
Ooh I say – easy on the spice there love
My debating style?
Dude, when you actually address a single one of ahjayzis points, then maybe you can talk about debating styles.
You haven’t actually countered any of the arguments brought up here apart from vaguely handwave something about education and support.
Aodhan O’Photoopportunity
He’s a sickening little poo-head no doubt
Agreed.
I e-mailed him a while ago for confirmation that he was actually doing something about our stupid drug laws, and he assured me he was, (from his i-Phone, which I didn’t need to know and he needn’t have told me.)
I thought he was genuine.
THEN, this morning I read this on Reddit.
https://goo.gl/DmWZxz
All faith I had in the
manboy went out the window.Usual Irish politico of either having dirt on someone, or bringing a cash cow to the trough.
I was involved in the development of several accommodation sites for travellers in a past life. Top notch everything went into the (free) houses. all came with ample room for caravan etc. The result? in six months ALL dwellings had been utterly destroyed/vandalised beyond repair. Wanton destruction by the tenants and then get this…they complain to the council that they are living in sub standard accommodation. Were such behaviours displayed in the settled community d’ya think it would be tolerated? I think not. Why the hell should we pander to this? Pavee point can go and poo.
Jesus that’s very prejudiced, ya big auld racist now. It’s everyone else’s fault that this happened.
Were such…? They are?
Are you on the drugs?
Why do people give travellers a free pass on homophobia?
Isn’t homophobia the new ride at Alton Towers?
Goes
All the way down
And around the back
So I hear
Did I hear yer man from Pavee point saying it was the government’s fault that travelers leave school earlier than settled folk?
By the way, how many of those who said they’d take in Syrian refugees volunteered to take in travelers from Carickmines? I didn’t see any “Travelers Welcome” banners out?
Stupidest thread on here so far
Will you give us a break. In the first place the Travellers have nothing to do with the Roma. nothing. the Travellers are Irish..
Do you speak Shelta?
#BlackieConnorslivesmatter
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5463 stupids
everything about him is negative and mean
if you beg to differ he`ll scream and scream