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Paul Murphy tweetz:

Freedom Of Information figures from Irish Water. 21% drop of revenue in last quarter, non-payment over 50%.

Irish Water says over 20% drop in bill payment (RTE)

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53 thoughts on “Busted Flush

  1. DubLoony

    Well FF has put the kibosh on it, with the suspending of payments, to be expected.

    A proper functioning water & waste removal system is vital for the health of this country.

    1. ollie

      No one disagrees Dubloony, but spending almost 1 billion on water meters and PR firms doesn’t;t do anything to improve the system.

      1. DubLoony

        The water meters help identify leaks, show users how much water they are using and obviously are used for fair billing.

        As the the PR firms – failed miserably.

        The appallingly bad ham fisted launch of Irish water was a disaster.
        But the actual work they do is yielding results. Having a national utility (which is it) responsible for safe potable water production and water removal is a good one.

        1. Markskids

          We’d a pretty sizeable leak under out garden we’d likely still not known anything about but for the meter installed.

          .

        2. ollie

          Dubloony,
          leaks can be detected without meters.
          all billing is flat rated, again no benefit to having meters
          i see no evidence irish water is yielding results, any chance of some examples of what has been done by iw that couldn’t be done by the old regime?

          1. some old queen

            On the actual network, absolutely nothing. The LA’s are still responsible for fixing or upgrading pipe sections. The is no plans to change this until Irish Water are able to sign construction contacts and that is looking increasingly unlikely.

            It is a failed land grab really.

            I think DubLooney has a set number of approved lines in a Word document which (s)he pastes btw, as they are regularly repeated on different IW threads.

          2. Continuity Jay-Z

            At considerable cost as is very labour intensive. You need ground penetrating units and you have to suspect there is a leak in the first place!

        3. panga panga

          the work ‘they’ do is being carried out by council workers who historically have always done the work…. no new scheduling…work already on the books before Uisce Nefarious were shoved in

          1. sqoid

            There’s been huge money spent on capital improvement schemes that Councils wouldn’t of been able to afford and many more planned. Councils may be doing the work (actually mostly consultants and contractors managed by the councils) but it’s being paid for by Irish Water

        4. Paddy

          The bulk of leaked water is in the piping before it reaches houses. Water meters don’t detect those leaks. The water meters fitted are faulty/seconds anyway. Why would we trust faulty meters?

        5. some old queen

          @DubLoony

          As you are repetitively throwing out the party line here is a question. Why are there so few water meters in Lusk and Donabate?

          1. Jesus Wept

            There are so many meters in Lusk as the majority of housing in Lusk was built in the last 15 years.

  2. bisted

    …well Joan Burton…are you listening…you’re boys took one hell of a beating..

      1. ollie

        As 100% of the revenue collected goes to collecting the revenue, if people don’t pay their water bill iw won’t have the money to issue water bills.

        Don’t really see what this has to do with beaches. I think that the second syllable of your name is more apt than you realise dubloony. Get back under your bridge.

        1. DubLoony

          Nasty and necessary comment ollie.

          There are 45 sites where raw seweage is being discharged onto beaches because of poor waste water infrastructure
          http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/epa-report-highlights-raw-sewage-discharge-at-45-sites-1.2442460

          There needs to be €25 billion invested in water infrastructure to bring it up to scratch. A public utility could raise bonds to obtain the necessary money, paid by consumers. Just like ESB, instead of it coming from tax revenue.

          1. ollie

            “A public utility”, so you want it privatised?

            The irish government can borrow money at rates that are lower than any V could borrow for, so your argument is incorrect.

    1. bisted

      …ooops…your…don’t cut and paste from Norwegian websites or the trolls will come..

  3. Vote Rep #1

    Hardly surprising that people decided to wait to see what was going to happen to IW before handing over more money. I guess the rubbish water system will be put back in the long finger file along with the looming pensions crisis, the health system, third level education, etc.

  4. Murtles

    975,000 people exactly and lovely round figures all the way back to the first bill cycle. Wonder are they rounding up or down and why do they not have exact customer numbers to hand.

    1. Paddy

      And ‘had paid for water services’!,? I’ve a feeling they’re counting in the way that Irish Rail count customers… I.e. That one customer who uses the service twice daily is counted as say 500 in their figures. So people that have paid say 4 bills are actually being put in as four customers. The answers are fluffy. And notably, the FOI was only part-granted – that decision made by IW themselves. So not at all transparent

    1. sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq

      What..?
      -There’s a TV licence now?
      -It’s one think screwing tax-money out of everything but the air we breathe, but if they ever start charging us for that RTÉ rubbish that we never asked for…
      I’m sorry, but it’s a bit too much.

      A TV license...Hmmhh..
      -Don’t be giving them ideas Pee Pee.

  5. ollie

    Michael Noonan thinks that mortgage interest capping is unconstitutional because it breaches the property rights of bank shareholders. This is the sort of moron that’s running this country.

  6. sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq

    ollie, allow me to tip my hat to you.
    -You have your head screwed on, rather than screwed up like some others I won’t mention.

    Personally I cannot fathom how ANYONE can defend Irish Water at this stage, yet they still do….
    -The argument seems to be ‘We wasted this much money so far, let’s waste some more so as we stop wasting money.

    They’re wasting their breath.
    You’re a breath of fresh air, so fair balls to you!!!!!

          1. sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq

            Don’t tell anyone Robert, and bear with me…this is tricky to type…

            You begin your Italics by typing a ”, but all as one 3-part ‘thing’. If I type it out here I’ll end up in Italics again and you’ll get confused.
            (Are you still with me?)

            To stop theItalics you do the exact same thing again, but this time you put a ‘/’ or ‘slash‘ before the letter ‘i’.

            They call it HLMT or something. I learned it from my kids.

          2. sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq

            Sorry Robert.
            It’s trickier to type than I thought.

            Start Italics with left pointing triangular bracket, the letter i, right pointing triangular bracket.
            Finish them by repeating but putting a ‘slash’ or ‘/’ before the letter ‘i’.

            Easy!!!!

  7. ahjayzis

    The charges don’t cover the cost of collecting the charges.

    THEY DON.T COVER. THEIR OWN. COSTS.

    Why are you people lamenting halting the transfer of money from the public to private outsourced billing companies that do nothing to mend the network?

    1. ollie

      country dweller does a poop. poop ends up in a hole in the garden. council asks for small fee to inspect hole in the garden. country dweller refuses to pay.
      meanwhile, taxes collected from city dweller go to support country dwellers roads, schools, farm payments, etc.

      john tierney laughs at both city and country dweller bickering while he rips off both.

    1. Robert

      Can we get some stats on those being pursued through a politicised justice system on trumped up charges?

  8. Eoin

    The protests against Irish Water are hardly even about water. They were (and are) about the social contract between government and the citizenry having been broken. And it’s been broken for a long time. It’s about us not trusting them anymore. And we haven’t trusted them in a long time. Irish water was just the spark that ignited a hell of a lot of accumulated fuel. The criminal looting of our national coffers to pay back bond holders is THE GREATEST betrayal the nation has ever seen. And it’s ongoing. In years to come people will be amazed at how our leaders betrayed us and we did nothing. There are also a lot of USEFUL IDIOTS commenting on this and Irish Water. It’s pretty obvious what’s going on in Ireland, it’s RIGHT and WRONG. There’s no excuse for being on the wrong side anymore. Please try to leave party loyalty out of this argument. It’s far too important for that. This is about the system in general here, not parties and their policies.

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