No, I believe it had the right idea at first, but when it came to the 1970s it was taken over by a hard left politics that had nothing to do with equal rights and has been spinning and misleading research to suit their needs in order to portray all men as inherently evil in order to justify their existence, and make lots of money.
Oh, I’ll likely be called a crackpot for taking this stance. Big deal. Discussion is more important than taking offence, but feminism uses ‘I’m offended’ to shut down discussion.
I’m for equality, I’m not for feminism, the two are no longer equitable and haven’t been for some time.
Here are a few links…. and a fantastic (1/2 hr long, sorry) talk at the 2014 Domestic Violence Symposium in Toronto, from a real equal rights campaigner – Erin Pizzey https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnUwxxijr3g
MoyestWithExcitement
“Oh, I’ll likely be called a crackpot for taking this stance.”
Well, you can see why if you’re going to say feminism is a money making racket.
No. feminism has lost it’s way, it’s not my ‘perception’. Feminism no longer has anything to do with ‘equal rights’.
Forgive my use of American/UK examples but there is not enough research in Ireland to get info from. In America, a man must prove his innocence, rather than innocent until proven guilty when a woman accuses a man of any type of “harassment”.
That places men as second class citizens. That’s not equal rights mate :)
No two ways of looking at that.
I’m sure you will agree that the removal of innocent until proven guilty is not the campaign of an equal rights movement.
MoyestWithExcitement
“feminism has lost it’s way, it’s not my ‘perception’”
No, that is *literally* your perception. Who represents all feminism then, Clampers?
“Forgive my use of American/UK examples but there is not enough research in Ireland to get info from.”
Does that not make you think? You hear of people in America saying things you disagree with and take it to apply to Irish people bit then you say there’s no research done in Ireland. What of I were to say that being Irish meant supporting SF. I mean, lots of Irish people do so that means I can define all Irishness by the actions of a minority claiming to be Irish, right?
“In America, a man must prove his innocence, rather than innocent until proven guilty when a woman accuses a man of any type of “harassment”.”
Really? Are you sure you’re not thinking about the disciplinary procedure of some universities as opposed to the law for the whole country?
“I’m sure you will agree that the removal of innocent until proven guilty is not the campaign of an equal rights movement.”
I’m sure you’ll agree that private institutions deciding to kick out an accused rapist rather than have a woman share facilities with her rapist is not a campaign to have men thrown in jail on a whim.
You’ll have to have a word in the ear of all your feminist sisters then. Great to hear it though, delighted in fact that you are acknowledging that feminisms obsession with convincing women to continue playing the victim and continuing to demonise men with intentionally biased research and cherry picking stats to suit an agenda, is not good for feminism.
You’ll have a long road ahead of you convincing feminists to operate fairly like that.
“Nah I think the validity of the concept of feminism and domestic violence are two separate, perhaps related but separate, issues.”
That is at the very crux of my argument. Feminism has purposefully cherry picked domestic violence stats to promote its agenda.
That IS a fact. Separating feminism from this is a struggle. It is happening though, but an awful lot of damage has been done because of it, such as the inexcusable demonising of half of society. That sure as hell has nothing to do with equality.
I agree with a lot of feminist ideas, doesn’t make me a feminist… similarly with conservatism, although my belief that nothing is constant would jar with that. I don’t do B&W because the world is not B&W. Feminism more often than not, approaches “equality” (*big COUGH*) with a ‘them and us’ and takes the attitude of ‘we’re right’ and they’re all wrong…. sad really, spiteful as feminism is.
“iPad as a babysitter, is it really a feminist issue?”
And people wonder why modern “F€minism” is today looked upon as a joke. I wonder why….
Do you think feminism in general is a joke?
No, I believe it had the right idea at first, but when it came to the 1970s it was taken over by a hard left politics that had nothing to do with equal rights and has been spinning and misleading research to suit their needs in order to portray all men as inherently evil in order to justify their existence, and make lots of money.
Oh, I’ll likely be called a crackpot for taking this stance. Big deal. Discussion is more important than taking offence, but feminism uses ‘I’m offended’ to shut down discussion.
I’m for equality, I’m not for feminism, the two are no longer equitable and haven’t been for some time.
Here are a few links…. and a fantastic (1/2 hr long, sorry) talk at the 2014 Domestic Violence Symposium in Toronto, from a real equal rights campaigner – Erin Pizzey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnUwxxijr3g
“Oh, I’ll likely be called a crackpot for taking this stance.”
Well, you can see why if you’re going to say feminism is a money making racket.
“I’m for equality, I’m not for feminism,”
They’re the same thing, fella.
‘feminism’ was… modern feminism is far from it.
Discussion is more important than taking offence, but feminism uses ‘I’m offended’ to shut down discussion.
– Moyest, please note
There’s no feminist central council who get to define what feminism is. Your *perception* of what feminism is might have changed but that’s about it.
No. feminism has lost it’s way, it’s not my ‘perception’. Feminism no longer has anything to do with ‘equal rights’.
Forgive my use of American/UK examples but there is not enough research in Ireland to get info from. In America, a man must prove his innocence, rather than innocent until proven guilty when a woman accuses a man of any type of “harassment”.
That places men as second class citizens. That’s not equal rights mate :)
No two ways of looking at that.
I’m sure you will agree that the removal of innocent until proven guilty is not the campaign of an equal rights movement.
“feminism has lost it’s way, it’s not my ‘perception’”
No, that is *literally* your perception. Who represents all feminism then, Clampers?
“Forgive my use of American/UK examples but there is not enough research in Ireland to get info from.”
Does that not make you think? You hear of people in America saying things you disagree with and take it to apply to Irish people bit then you say there’s no research done in Ireland. What of I were to say that being Irish meant supporting SF. I mean, lots of Irish people do so that means I can define all Irishness by the actions of a minority claiming to be Irish, right?
“In America, a man must prove his innocence, rather than innocent until proven guilty when a woman accuses a man of any type of “harassment”.”
Really? Are you sure you’re not thinking about the disciplinary procedure of some universities as opposed to the law for the whole country?
“I’m sure you will agree that the removal of innocent until proven guilty is not the campaign of an equal rights movement.”
I’m sure you’ll agree that private institutions deciding to kick out an accused rapist rather than have a woman share facilities with her rapist is not a campaign to have men thrown in jail on a whim.
Love it Moyest :) Classic stuff….
I’ll have to get back to you in a bit…. maybe, continue in the ‘Johnny Depp’ post….
I look forward to continuing our chat, I can’t right now, thanks.
Nah I think the validity of the concept of feminism and domestic violence are two separate, perhaps related but separate, issues.
WOW !
You’ll have to have a word in the ear of all your feminist sisters then. Great to hear it though, delighted in fact that you are acknowledging that feminisms obsession with convincing women to continue playing the victim and continuing to demonise men with intentionally biased research and cherry picking stats to suit an agenda, is not good for feminism.
You’ll have a long road ahead of you convincing feminists to operate fairly like that.
“Nah I think the validity of the concept of feminism and domestic violence are two separate, perhaps related but separate, issues.”
That is at the very crux of my argument. Feminism has purposefully cherry picked domestic violence stats to promote its agenda.
That IS a fact. Separating feminism from this is a struggle. It is happening though, but an awful lot of damage has been done because of it, such as the inexcusable demonising of half of society. That sure as hell has nothing to do with equality.
Then have a look at this…. from Prof Janice Fiamengo, as she discusses how feminism has completely lost the plot…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD65wnDGuTg
When done with that… have a reads of this…. (not just the title story, but the links and discussion)
http://time.com/2921491/hope-solo-women-violence/
Feminism is a cancer
Oh God – he’s back.
HEEEEEEEEEEEEEERE’S EDDIE!!
lol I was just thinking the same
He’s not wrong in this instance though.
I’m getting the impression that you’re quite a conservative chap Clampers. Do you think that’s a fair assessment?
No. I just prefer equality to feminism.
Just in case, see if you agree with anything here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism
I agree with a lot of feminist ideas, doesn’t make me a feminist… similarly with conservatism, although my belief that nothing is constant would jar with that. I don’t do B&W because the world is not B&W. Feminism more often than not, approaches “equality” (*big COUGH*) with a ‘them and us’ and takes the attitude of ‘we’re right’ and they’re all wrong…. sad really, spiteful as feminism is.
Is the last sentance of your comment B&W?
Fair enough… if you will allow me an edit.
Please replace “is” with “can be”.
Not a dickie obout Denis O’Brien in d’papers, as per usual.