Fintan O’Toole with a worrying and brilliant article
The Observer
Let’s hope The Irish Times does not take down this story from it’s website and delete it, like it did with yesterday’s headline and story from its front page.
some old queen
It beggars belief that The Democratic Unionist Party made common cause with a movement whose logical outcome is the end of the union.
Fintan does not understand the politics of the north if he thinks the unionist hardcore can see any further than the end of their own noses or flag poles.
I expect he also fails to see that are towns in the north of England where a sizable % of the population are now eastern European and in those towns, the Leave vote was way higher than the national average. That vote was not about colour or race, just numbers.
Kieran NYC
I heard it was the Romanians wot won it
some old queen
Actually, ITN lunchtime yesterday said just this and named the Polish, Latvians and Lithuanians. Go write a complaint.
How naive of you, spoken like a true free stater.
Billy dup supporter still thinks the taigs are but serfs upon his god (king) given estate.
Or dont you get that ?
If Jorry and co dont stfu sharpish we could be looking down the thick end of a civil war, …again.
Hear, hear… but SF would have no problem or qualms about maintaining volatility and stoking uncertainty regardless of consequences to the poor or anyone else, because they love uncertainty and see opportunity in it, just a Jerry said on the radio yesterday.
A chance for the ‘one true policy party’ to get that policy moving no matter what.
Prepare for an onslaught of the moral high horse that will be the news by SF of the injustice of the brexit vote for Northern Ireland…. sigh… yawn.. more whinging from SF
realPolithicks
sigh… yawn.. more whinging about SF from Clampers….your obsession with SF has become very tedious.
Niallo
Yep, at ANY cost, potentially dangerous days ahead my friend.
Twunt
It is a nicely worded article, but he misses the point.
If you continuously ignore the concerns of the people, and ramp policies down their throats, under the guise of progressive liberalism (or any movement), eventually they will revolt.
You can call it racist or bigoted if that makes you feel better, but it is democracy in action, democracy in all it’s misguided and stupid brilliance.
whatdafup
well said
MoyestWithExcitement
They could do a better job of educating them that their concerns are misguided alright. EU immigrants less likely to receive benefits than UK citizens. EU immigrants being a net gain in taxes. The UK makes money from immigration to pay for the public services immigration is supposedly putting a strain on. Tax breaks for the millionaire classes, turning a blind eye to creative accountancy, deregulation, privatisation of public services and hostility towards unions being to blame for the plight of the working class as opposed to a Polish single mother working in your local spar.
A much better job could be done conveying this to people.
Kdoc1
There is the possibility that two cartoon characters will be leading countries on either side of the Atlantic – what could possibly go wrong?
Vera Lynn II
Don’t worry
‘There’ll be bluebirds over the white cliffs of Dover, tomorrow just you wait and see …’
England is a great, powerful and resourceful country. I shouldn’t worry about it, if I were you.
TheDude
But you know we’ll meet again some sunny day
Turgenev
There’ll be love and laughter
And peace ever after.
Tomorrow, when the world is free
(Except that the young of Britain – only 45% of whom came out to vote – didn’t bother about all that.)
mildred st. meadowlark
I honestly can’t believe that such a small percentage of young people voted on one the most important referendums they will see in their lifetime. And then have the gallery to blame the older generations for not voting how they wanted? I want to throw my shoes at them.
Brits won’t leave..
A. Rerun referendum, new outcome
B. Parliament ignore result and decide to stay
C. New PM as above
X. Germany tells the Brits to ignore above and offers a sweet deal
The Guardian has difficulty with the fact that a lot of stupid people, who don’t read the Guardian were allowed to vote in the referendum. Clearly, they were too thick and racist to understand the importance of the outcome. Its also having difficulty with the fact its sales are falling – I wonder if the two are related.
rotide
Those guardian elites, dealing with ‘facts’ and ‘laws’ , They got what was coming to them!
Niallo
Guardianistas, rarely venturing beyond the chai latte demi monde of notting hill have been outvoted by the know nothing guardian readership.
Yep.
Otis Blue
Not a chance.
‘There will be no instant re-run, brothers. The revolution will be live’.
petey
‘B’ i believe
some old queen
Brits may not leave yes so X. Only when the 50 button is pushed must they go but there is no time limit from a referendum.
Already Brussels is arguing for a speedy exit while the British say they are in no hurry. The longer they take, the more likely other countries will be inspired to do likewise so they are actually in a very strong negotiating position for trade deals.
Sido
Cameron has given 100 days notice and is said to have said – why should I have to do the hard work on this ****. The future leader will have to select his cabinet and get his ducks in a row. Looking like its going to be around 4 months before any papers get served.
Unless, the EU pull some sort of stunt.
Shayna
I forgot/didn’t think that Gibraltar had a vote -Brexit is going to be a tad tough there! Anyone who’s travelled there in the past will remember the heavy land border crossing between Spain/Gibraltar – there’s only one! They voted/chose 99% to stay in the EU , like Scotland, like the North of Ireland – the majority want to remain in the EU – Yet due to land mass/votes in England. they declare a victory for breaking out of the EU. Sterling is falling against its counterparts, the markets are falling (I admit to knowing little or nothing about that) . But in the light of this, other countries may follow suit and offer referenda on their exits =end of EU? I think that Cameron flipped a coin on the Referendum, much like he’d done before in previous policies to win popularity – this one back-fired – which has led to his resignation. Now there’s going to be a loonie, Boris in charge – another Bullindonion – well that’s great – Thank you England!
Shayna
I can see on Twitter that many British types have applied for Irish passports following Brexit. This will be an interesting development.
Apart from being the second largest economy in the EU, the main difference between them and the rest is that they held onto sterling. It would be a lot harder to leave and float a new currency at the one time.
Best of luck to David , Samantha and their family.
Shayna
I’m guessing you’re being sarcastic? Sarcasm is difficult to read – in its spoken form, however I’m a princess of sarcasm – I’ve been dialling it back over the past few years when I was reminded that it was the lowest form of wit.
realPolithicks
Who?
Formerly known as @ireland.com
I can see Scotland wanting to exit the UK before the UK exits the EU. They will try to be a continuing member, rather than applying again.
I wonder if Northern Ireland might go for a separate state option – not for a united Ireland. That might be easier to get over the line, might avoid/reduce bloodshed. The Republic should offer some kind of devolved/federal option to them – that would be more appealing than being ruled directly by the FF/FG axis.
The problem in NI is not the FF/FG axis – it’s the SF/DUP axis. There is so much disparity in the party flavours that somehow, it works – spending the London money on the six counties. Being ruled, as you say by FF/FG would not go down very well in the North. I think SF, because they’re nationwide would have a bigger role – well, at least that’s what they’re driving at. It’s written in the Republic of Ireland’s Constitution that when the majority of the people cast aside by De Valera in Tyrone, Armagh, Antrim, Fermanagh, Down and Derry in 1922 want to join, they will! “Being ruled” is not what the North of Ireland types do well.
Turgenev
If it were a united Ireland they wouldn’t ‘be ruled’, they’d be part of the ruling.
some old queen
All depends on how you define the republican objective. United Ireland or Brits out because they are not necessarily the same thing. Republicans could claim victory in two separate states which be by far the preferable option for unionists. But the real question is how it would be funded.
Theresa Villiers’s position is untenable now however as she was pro Brexit.
bisted
…I’d say Theresa’s eyes are already on much bigger things…my bet is Foreign or Home Secretary…
Sido
The problem for Krankie Sturgeon is Brent @ $48 a barrel. I’d like an open top Ferrari for those sunny days we occasionally get and there’s only one thing holding me back. There’s a running joke that if she pushes to hard she might just get what she asked for.
Twunt
Question.
If we had an EU membership vote in Ireland, which way would it go?
I think it would be close, too close for comfort.
Spud1
Close?
Close to 100% remain I reckon!
Twunt
Go to you local old man pub and do a straw poll, see what result you get. Then remember that these are the most likely to vote.
Sido
Remain – because it did a lot for Ireland a while back. I suppose the interesting question would be how would it vote in a few years time.
Aye, had an altercation with a neighbour giving out about new neighbours taking up too many parking spaces yesterday….
I said, “your partner doesn’t have parking in here [inside gates of complex] and would be clamped if we introduce clamping… one rule for all” said I.
We have just as many idiots in this country who vote against the government of the day ‘because elites’ but I’d hope we wouldn’t be quite as stupid as the English the other day.
Father Filth
Nudge nudge, wink wink, the banks will act all shocked for a few months, but I’m sure ‘The City’ will thrive with even less regulation and scrutiny.. Money isn’t clean. Nudge nudge wink wink.
forfeckssake
The Sun’s front page is ridiculous. They say thousands of British people plan to move to Ireland on the basis of an increased interest in Irish passports. Totally unfounded nonsense. Basically they’re lying. They most likely want to take an EU passport for travelling in the EU.
Fintan O’Toole with a worrying and brilliant article
Let’s hope The Irish Times does not take down this story from it’s website and delete it, like it did with yesterday’s headline and story from its front page.
It beggars belief that The Democratic Unionist Party made common cause with a movement whose logical outcome is the end of the union.
Fintan does not understand the politics of the north if he thinks the unionist hardcore can see any further than the end of their own noses or flag poles.
I expect he also fails to see that are towns in the north of England where a sizable % of the population are now eastern European and in those towns, the Leave vote was way higher than the national average. That vote was not about colour or race, just numbers.
I heard it was the Romanians wot won it
Actually, ITN lunchtime yesterday said just this and named the Polish, Latvians and Lithuanians. Go write a complaint.
“…Can European citizens vote?
Citizens from other European countries – apart from Ireland, Malta and Cyprus – do not get to vote on whether the UK remains part of the EU…”
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/649517/EU-referendum-2016-Voting-Voters-Allowed-British-Irish-Commonwealth-Citizens-European
How naive of you, spoken like a true free stater.
Billy dup supporter still thinks the taigs are but serfs upon his god (king) given estate.
Or dont you get that ?
If Jorry and co dont stfu sharpish we could be looking down the thick end of a civil war, …again.
Hear, hear… but SF would have no problem or qualms about maintaining volatility and stoking uncertainty regardless of consequences to the poor or anyone else, because they love uncertainty and see opportunity in it, just a Jerry said on the radio yesterday.
A chance for the ‘one true policy party’ to get that policy moving no matter what.
Prepare for an onslaught of the moral high horse that will be the news by SF of the injustice of the brexit vote for Northern Ireland…. sigh… yawn.. more whinging from SF
sigh… yawn.. more whinging about SF from Clampers….your obsession with SF has become very tedious.
Yep, at ANY cost, potentially dangerous days ahead my friend.
It is a nicely worded article, but he misses the point.
If you continuously ignore the concerns of the people, and ramp policies down their throats, under the guise of progressive liberalism (or any movement), eventually they will revolt.
You can call it racist or bigoted if that makes you feel better, but it is democracy in action, democracy in all it’s misguided and stupid brilliance.
well said
They could do a better job of educating them that their concerns are misguided alright. EU immigrants less likely to receive benefits than UK citizens. EU immigrants being a net gain in taxes. The UK makes money from immigration to pay for the public services immigration is supposedly putting a strain on. Tax breaks for the millionaire classes, turning a blind eye to creative accountancy, deregulation, privatisation of public services and hostility towards unions being to blame for the plight of the working class as opposed to a Polish single mother working in your local spar.
A much better job could be done conveying this to people.
There is the possibility that two cartoon characters will be leading countries on either side of the Atlantic – what could possibly go wrong?
Don’t worry
‘There’ll be bluebirds over the white cliffs of Dover, tomorrow just you wait and see …’
England is a great, powerful and resourceful country. I shouldn’t worry about it, if I were you.
But you know we’ll meet again some sunny day
There’ll be love and laughter
And peace ever after.
Tomorrow, when the world is free
(Except that the young of Britain – only 45% of whom came out to vote – didn’t bother about all that.)
I honestly can’t believe that such a small percentage of young people voted on one the most important referendums they will see in their lifetime. And then have the gallery to blame the older generations for not voting how they wanted? I want to throw my shoes at them.
gall, not gallery, sorry about that.
Does anybody here remember Vera Lynn?
https://youtu.be/0bDY0DfEjmo
Brits won’t leave..
A. Rerun referendum, new outcome
B. Parliament ignore result and decide to stay
C. New PM as above
X. Germany tells the Brits to ignore above and offers a sweet deal
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-legally-binding-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament
The Guardian has difficulty with the fact that a lot of stupid people, who don’t read the Guardian were allowed to vote in the referendum. Clearly, they were too thick and racist to understand the importance of the outcome. Its also having difficulty with the fact its sales are falling – I wonder if the two are related.
Those guardian elites, dealing with ‘facts’ and ‘laws’ , They got what was coming to them!
Guardianistas, rarely venturing beyond the chai latte demi monde of notting hill have been outvoted by the know nothing guardian readership.
Yep.
Not a chance.
‘There will be no instant re-run, brothers. The revolution will be live’.
‘B’ i believe
Brits may not leave yes so X. Only when the 50 button is pushed must they go but there is no time limit from a referendum.
Already Brussels is arguing for a speedy exit while the British say they are in no hurry. The longer they take, the more likely other countries will be inspired to do likewise so they are actually in a very strong negotiating position for trade deals.
Cameron has given 100 days notice and is said to have said – why should I have to do the hard work on this ****. The future leader will have to select his cabinet and get his ducks in a row. Looking like its going to be around 4 months before any papers get served.
Unless, the EU pull some sort of stunt.
I forgot/didn’t think that Gibraltar had a vote -Brexit is going to be a tad tough there! Anyone who’s travelled there in the past will remember the heavy land border crossing between Spain/Gibraltar – there’s only one! They voted/chose 99% to stay in the EU , like Scotland, like the North of Ireland – the majority want to remain in the EU – Yet due to land mass/votes in England. they declare a victory for breaking out of the EU. Sterling is falling against its counterparts, the markets are falling (I admit to knowing little or nothing about that) . But in the light of this, other countries may follow suit and offer referenda on their exits =end of EU? I think that Cameron flipped a coin on the Referendum, much like he’d done before in previous policies to win popularity – this one back-fired – which has led to his resignation. Now there’s going to be a loonie, Boris in charge – another Bullindonion – well that’s great – Thank you England!
I can see on Twitter that many British types have applied for Irish passports following Brexit. This will be an interesting development.
Also – probably – no. too late https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBIKSOlje7Q -Anyhoo, I’ve always had a crush on Liam.
Apart from being the second largest economy in the EU, the main difference between them and the rest is that they held onto sterling. It would be a lot harder to leave and float a new currency at the one time.
Best of luck to David , Samantha and their family.
I’m guessing you’re being sarcastic? Sarcasm is difficult to read – in its spoken form, however I’m a princess of sarcasm – I’ve been dialling it back over the past few years when I was reminded that it was the lowest form of wit.
Who?
I can see Scotland wanting to exit the UK before the UK exits the EU. They will try to be a continuing member, rather than applying again.
I wonder if Northern Ireland might go for a separate state option – not for a united Ireland. That might be easier to get over the line, might avoid/reduce bloodshed. The Republic should offer some kind of devolved/federal option to them – that would be more appealing than being ruled directly by the FF/FG axis.
http://www.theshovel.com.au/2016/06/25/britains-leave-voters-cleverly-deter-migrants-by-destroying-economy/
The problem in NI is not the FF/FG axis – it’s the SF/DUP axis. There is so much disparity in the party flavours that somehow, it works – spending the London money on the six counties. Being ruled, as you say by FF/FG would not go down very well in the North. I think SF, because they’re nationwide would have a bigger role – well, at least that’s what they’re driving at. It’s written in the Republic of Ireland’s Constitution that when the majority of the people cast aside by De Valera in Tyrone, Armagh, Antrim, Fermanagh, Down and Derry in 1922 want to join, they will! “Being ruled” is not what the North of Ireland types do well.
If it were a united Ireland they wouldn’t ‘be ruled’, they’d be part of the ruling.
All depends on how you define the republican objective. United Ireland or Brits out because they are not necessarily the same thing. Republicans could claim victory in two separate states which be by far the preferable option for unionists. But the real question is how it would be funded.
Theresa Villiers’s position is untenable now however as she was pro Brexit.
…I’d say Theresa’s eyes are already on much bigger things…my bet is Foreign or Home Secretary…
The problem for Krankie Sturgeon is Brent @ $48 a barrel. I’d like an open top Ferrari for those sunny days we occasionally get and there’s only one thing holding me back. There’s a running joke that if she pushes to hard she might just get what she asked for.
Question.
If we had an EU membership vote in Ireland, which way would it go?
I think it would be close, too close for comfort.
Close?
Close to 100% remain I reckon!
Go to you local old man pub and do a straw poll, see what result you get. Then remember that these are the most likely to vote.
Remain – because it did a lot for Ireland a while back. I suppose the interesting question would be how would it vote in a few years time.
Aye, had an altercation with a neighbour giving out about new neighbours taking up too many parking spaces yesterday….
I said, “your partner doesn’t have parking in here [inside gates of complex] and would be clamped if we introduce clamping… one rule for all” said I.
….damn ph. :)
Anyway, me point…. he’d vote leave. And many fools like him.
Aye, had an altercation with a neighbour over the
Out, out, out
We have just as many idiots in this country who vote against the government of the day ‘because elites’ but I’d hope we wouldn’t be quite as stupid as the English the other day.
Nudge nudge, wink wink, the banks will act all shocked for a few months, but I’m sure ‘The City’ will thrive with even less regulation and scrutiny.. Money isn’t clean. Nudge nudge wink wink.
The Sun’s front page is ridiculous. They say thousands of British people plan to move to Ireland on the basis of an increased interest in Irish passports. Totally unfounded nonsense. Basically they’re lying. They most likely want to take an EU passport for travelling in the EU.
The Sun lie. Never.
Bill Maher… and the results are in, it’s 48% Sense & Sensibility / 52% Pride & Prejudice
Brilliant :)
It looks like they might get a second chance to get it right;
(As I predicted here a couple of weeks ago. Ahem.)
http://tinyurl.com/z5gcqy5
It’s only fair for the Brits.
It worked on us with Lisbon.