83 thoughts on “Appealing

  1. Owen

    Nothing like a good bandwagon for politicians to jump on late in the game. I’m sure Paul Murphy will probably claim he started it when its all over. Like how Sinn Feinn started the Equality campaign.

    1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

      I don’t really care once it’s repealed. Bandwagon away, the more the merrier!

        1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

          That’s politics though isn’t it? Working with people you might not like for a common goal.

    2. :-Joe

      Ye man,

      It’s just like the opposite of how the “FF/FG/Lab/Establishment For The Elites Before Citizens” party conduct themselves.

      Sure, I hear ye…..

      See you at the next protest march dude….

      :-J

  2. mark

    Thats disingenuous and cynical. Ruth, Bríd et al have a long history of support for women’s rights before it was “fashionable” to use a horrible term, and are far form bandwagon-jumping. Theyre the only credible left-wing group in the Dáil. True bandwagonism is the Failers with their dizzying about-turn on water charges.

    1. MoyestWithExcitement

      Yeah, solidarity and compassion are just things people to do so they can tell themselves they’re better than you. (They are) Nobody *really* cares about other people, amirite?

  3. mark

    So what? Gimmicks work!
    The new Malibu Stacey had a hat but it was the SAME Mailbu Stacey as the previous one.

  4. Brendan G

    Groovy. Paul Murphy should get a pair of yellow dungarees like the sociology lecturer in “The Young Ones”.

      1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

        If you haven’t already had a good laugh today, you should go on Twitter and find the poems people have been writing about our Messiah, Jeremy Corbyn, Saviour of the UK and Comrade in Arms (though no violence cause he doesn’t do that ok)

      1. Zuppy International

        According to the ‘math’:

        “Clueless” = “Murder” = “Repeal”

        Therefore “Clueless” = “Repeal”

        So Daisy is “Clueless”

        QED

    1. ReproBertie

      That’s right Zuppy, thousands of abortions happen every day and the 8th does nothing to prevent them. In fact the only thing that 8th does is control who can have one by adding the costs of travel. But that’s what the pro-life movement all comes down to really, controlling the women.

      1. mildred st. meadowlark

        I’d like that signed and noted for the record.

        Coz, Zuppy, me aul flower, that’s kinda the whole thing the pro choice side are all about. Every woman who chooses to have an abortion lives with the consequences.

      2. Zuppy International

        I can accept women consenting to the murder their own babies if they accept the intent and consequences of their actions.

        *

        1. ReproBertie

          What consequences? The judgement of their moral betters who believe they want “all the choice, none of the responsibility”?

          1. Zuppy International

            Murder weighs heavy on the soul. It will be a woman’s greatest burden to know she has killed her own child. However, consciously denying the intention and consequences will prolong the cognitive dissonance and prolong her grief.

            But abortion huggers don’t really care about the after-effects, or the years of psychological trauma inflicted by this so-called “choice” . They just want the fees. And the stem cells.

          2. ReproBertie

            That’s pure fearmongering but I would expect no less from a pro-lifer. You might as well throw in the child abuse and breast cancer lies while you’re at it. There are plenty of women who talk about having no regrets and how an abortion was the right decision for them. Spare us your attempts to impose shame and guilt on those who feel neither.

          3. Zuppy International

            ReproBertie is Captain Snowflake.

            Back to your “safe-space” Bertie, some of us adults are having a discussion.

          4. ReproBertie

            As usual, anything resembling a point you respond to with attempted insults and ad hominems. Fierce adult of you.

          5. Zuppy International

            *I’ll try posting this again to see if it makes it past the memory hole bot this time*

            Captain Snowfake, I have clearly outlined my position and how it might move once the Abortion Huggers admit the truth of things.

            You accuse me of fear mongering but quite simply it is you who is afraid of the truth: Abortion Kills Babies (to say it doesn’t is disingenuous in the extreme). Once you admit that truth then we can move forward to discuss “repeal”.

            But the Abortion Huggers will have to explain exactly how these abortion clinics/murder machines are to be organised. Are there any limits to this “choice” to kill babies? If you want to change the rules then we will need to know what these new rules are before we can agree to them.

            Failing the above is moral cowardice, typical of generation snowflake who want all of the choice and none of the consequences.

          6. ReproBertie

            You have no interest in changing your position. You just want everyone to dance to your tune and accept your position as the basis for all future discussion. My position is equally clear. Abortion is not murder. Your use of “babies” to describe everything from a zygote to a blastocyst to an embryo is just another pro-life attempt to control the language of debate.

            Abortion is happening. Irish women are having abortions. The 8th is not preventing that. The 8th is just preventing those who can’t afford to travel from having them. It’s purely a control issue.

  5. Eamonn Clancy

    The middle class dress down and the working class dress up. Though poor Gino looks like he’s rocking a Michael Jackson tribute. The rest of the lads seem to be going for the Amber Alert look.

  6. eric cartman

    Im all for repealing the 8th , but this isn’t helping

    The problem isn’t the young, most of whome understand the importance of repealing this. It is the older folks and rural dwellers that need the encouragement to see the light.

    The issue you have here , and especially with the repeal jumpers is the seperation of these peoples one sane view, from all their insane ones

    A :Dublin 20 something hipster : “Paul murphy is a socialist , figthing to end water charges”
    B : Roscommon 45 year old housewife : “Paul murphy is a criminal communist and a subversive individual”
    A is already on the repeal side, B is not, and is the vote you need.

    If the repeal campaign wants to be a success , it needs to start getting pillars of the community and ‘normal’ people on side. We don’t need another girl with blue hair, or a lesbian with thick glasses, or ‘performance artist’, or unemployed writer or a socialist politician seen repping this movement. We need the 25 year old legal secretary who plays camogie , the local hairdresser who is married and has a child, etc…

    nice, normal, conformist, stereotypical , as awful as it sounds, thats who you need to be at the forefront of repeal.

    1. ahjayzis

      Precisely.

      It’s why David Norris, a flamboyant queen, and Panti Bliss, an ACTUAL queen, harmed the marriage case irrevocably.

      1. eric cartman

        100% spot on. I think people arent quick to remember david norris and his paedo appologising either. If you want something to fail, involve him.

        1. MoyestWithExcitement

          Well. He’s saying you’re wrong. The marriage referendum passed despite the prevalence of “hispters” and flamoyant characters like Norris and Panti.

          1. ahjayzis

            They bloody won it. Hipsters have granny’s, mammy’s, daddy’s, they knocked on doors.

            If we;re waiting on Dympna from the church choir to feel sufficiently comfortable to get out and campaign nothing will ever change. Which I reckon is exactly what eric wants.

        2. ahjayzis

          Sarcasm babes. You couldn’t be more wrong or less informed.

          You’re the type of grey man who argued that we should tone down the Pride Festival into some kind of suited Mormon-like walkabout every year before marriage equality so we’d look more like ‘norms’ and then the other ‘norms’ would benevolently grant us the precious gift of equality.

          1. :-Joe

            Haha..

            Classic case of reeling em in and letting em do all the work….

            I have to say, you make it very easy to enjoy the comments section sometimes.

            :-J

    2. MoyestWithExcitement

      “It is the older folks and rural dwellers that need the encouragement to see the light.”

      They’re almost certainly not going to see it. It would be a waste of time trying to convince them of anything. They are stuck in their ways. Energy is better spent on motivating the already existing majority in favour of repeal to simply go out and vote for it.

      1. rotide

        They’re exactly the people that need to be convinced for a referendum to pass.

        You don’t think their was hipsters and lefties and progressives in the 80s? Spoiler, there was and the vote got crushed.

          1. rotide

            While I agree they are a minority, I’m not sure how small they are. Plus they vote with depressing regularity.

    3. Daisy Chainsaw

      “…nice, normal, conformist, stereotypical , as awful as it sounds, thats who you need to be at the forefront of repeal.”

      We are.

    4. Sheik Yahbouti

      I am getting really bored with being demonized by gobdaws for merely having aged. I campaigned against the 8th Amendment, together with thousands of my generation. We’re still alive and a lot more liberal in our outlook than the numerous baby neo-cons/young Foley who spout on this forum every day.

      1. The Real Jane

        Me too. And for being a wife and mother. Not being a single 20 year old has not actually made me into some kind of conservative madser.

        1. Sheik Yahbouti

          Thanks Jane. When I think of the battles old ‘uns like me fought so people could have access to contraception, workers’ rights. women’s rights, education – without mobile phones or ‘social meejah ‘ – just so these entitled feckers can bitch about oldies and bus driver’s wages, it gives me pause.

      2. :-Joe

        Shut up you old dinasour, we’re all bored listening to you whine….
        You auld people need to just stop whatever your doing and …

        Blah, Blah, Blah…

        Ahh.. you’re only as old as the fine woman you’re feelin’…

        :-J

      3. Lorcan Nagle

        Sheik, every time I’m out on the street for ARC I get older people coming over to and congratulating we young people for keeping up the good fight. Up until last year I would have said it was 50/50 whether we’d get thanks or yelled out, but this year the vast majority were thanks. And I make sure that everyone knows this too, so there’s no assumptions within the campaign.

        I’m usually just flattered that someone still thinks I’m young

    5. Lorcan Nagle

      It’s always amusing* how there’s somebody commenting on just about every article about the repeal campaign who says they’re in favour of it, but whatever the article is covering isn’t helping. Just like with the marriage equality campaign.

      So why aren’t you getting involved to give us the veneer of legitimacy you think we desperately need? Or maybe, maybe you’re not being 100% sincere?

      *for sufficiently low values of amusement

    6. :-Joe

      “If the repeal campaign wants to be a success , it needs to start getting pillars of the community and ‘normal’ people on side. We don’t need another”……

      Oh…. really?….

      You know it’s possible you are completely right but I just can’t see how encouraging homogonisation is going to help do anything but make things more dull, oppressive and basically what a certain demographic if society is actively trying to accelerate already for many various nefarious reasons.

      It reminds me of David Bowie talking about going to see the Rolling Stones as a fan and seeing Mick Jagger for the first time entering a gig in the 60’s.

      A man shouted at Jagger in protest, “Why don’t you cut your bloody hair !!”

      Mick Jagger replied without batting an eyelid “What… and look like you?”

      BTW: You do know that the character “Eric Cartman” is a cynical, selfish. spoiled, overweight child that has issues with learned helplessnes and whines endlessley until he gets what he wants from his mother…, ye?

      Just curious, I’m not saying you are the same…. and he’s still a great anti-hero….

      :-J

  7. Protectthe8th

    Funny to see these are the few independent TDs that represent a tiny fraction of the Irish population. Obviously only a tiny representation of the Irish people support them and their beliefs.

    1. ahjayzis

      Because professionally conducted polls and every abortion referendum since 1990 are all evidence planted by Satan to tempt us into heresy.

    2. Barry the Hatchet

      “Obviously only a tiny fraction of TDs actually represent the Irish people and their beliefs about the 8th”

      There, I fixed it for you.

    3. :-Joe

      You could look it that way and you wouldn’t be alone in argueing that point. Far from it in fact, you would easily represent a majority opinion…

      The problem is, you need to ask yourself why is such a small minority of politicians who have the least amount of support doing the majotity of the work in representing the needs of the most unfortunate and underprivilaged in Irish society?….

      No don’t bother, just keep following the majority herd, like a good sheep follows the shepard… All the way back to the stone age…. and the little town of megidoo where all your dreams began and end ..

      :-J

  8. Peter Dempsey

    Moyest,
    It’s a pity your parents didn’t want some of your younger siblings. Even though they didn’t say so, you feel they didn’t so must have been a more than a hint of it – which would part explain your fascination with having abortion on demand. Or perhaps you feel you would have had a happier childhood and would like maybe have achieved something if your siblings were never born – however you know that might not necessarily be the case. You are obviously carrying some heavy mental baggage from your childhood, I don’t think Ireland allowing abortion on demand is ever going to get rid of that baggage for you. You may not agree right now but Irish mothers getting their babies killed in their wombs on Irish soil will not fix the problems from your past.

      1. Sheik Yahbouti

        Jeez, scary stuff from Dempsey. These Iona types have the whiff of incence and hot metal pincers about them, quite disturbing.

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