“How Frightening It Must Be”

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Eoin O’Faogáin, writing in the Bogman’s Cannon, addresses the experiences of three generations of women in his family in relation to the church and women’s rights in Ireland.

On Saturday, over 25 thousand people across every imaginable demographic came out in Dublin to march for the right to bodily autonomy. They came out demand an end to a legislative legacy that deems 50% of our citizens as second-class and exports 4,000 women a year across the sea. They came out to reject the continued narrative of shame that exists around abortion. They came out to drag us into the 21st century.

The desperation in the tone of voice of the Catholic Church and its coalition of martyrs is obvious. It reached farcical levels during last year’s marriage equality campaign and continues today in the debate around the 8th amendment. A video published over the weekend makes direct comparisons between women accessing abortion and Hitler.

The arguments coming from the Sherlocks, the “Pro-Life” Campaign, IONA and Youth Defence are increasingly erratic. But of course they are.

These are institutions who have been afforded a lifetime of silent obedience. In that context, how frightening it must be to see public opinion turn away from you so sharply, so profoundly. How frightening it must be that people have found the courage to share their lived experiences and refuse to be shamed.

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82 thoughts on ““How Frightening It Must Be”

  1. human

    ‘Repeal the Faith’ as long as it Christians, other faiths your insane nonsense in fine, we will tolerate it cause we are stronger together, expect Christians.

    1. ahjayzis

      As an atheist of course I’m very pro-Islam and wish for the Islamicisation of the West, yes sirree.

      I won’t hide behind nonsense excuses like “Well, since there are only 50,000 Muslims in our oppressively Catholic society, I don’t feel the need to spend 50% of my time religion-bashing bashing a religion that is represented in no laws or constitutional amendments”.

      ATHEISTS AND SECULARISTS FOR SHARIA AND CHRISTIAN PERSECUTION FOR SOME REASON!111!!!!ONE!”1

  2. Zuppy International

    from: http://www.toomanyaborted.com/gosnell/

    Abortion activists worship abortion. It is sacred to them. Nothing on earth, according to the faithful, should ever desecrate the “holy ground” upon which this ritual is performed over 1,000 times a day. Even if that ground is soaked with the blood of women killed and maimed and babies brutally murdered after being born alive.

    That was Philadelphia’s “House of Horrors”, run by millionaire abortionist Kermit Gosnell. For 17 years his unimaginably squalid clinic went uninspected by state officials. Nestled in a community surrounded by churches, colleges and next door to an elementary school, the innocuously named “Women’s Medical Society” was a cesspool of filth, blood-stained equipment, crumbling walls, and body parts in jars, bags and bottles.

    Gosnell proudly displayed jars of severed babies’ feet as trophies.

    The Philadelphia District Attorney, R. Seth Williams (who is a Democrat), in a nearly 300 page Grand Jury Report details Gosnell’s “House of Horrors” on 3801 Lancaster in Philadelphia. “My comprehension of the English language can’t adequately describe the barbaric nature of Dr. Gosnell,” D.A. Williams said of the unspeakable conditions of the clinic that was inspected by the pro-abortion National Abortion Federation in recent years but never reported to authorities.

    […]

    And as if murdering babies born alive (by severing their spinal cords with scissors) wasn’t enough, Gosnell, who is black, made sure that his white “patients” were placed in the cleaner rooms while all others were placed in the filthy rooms. This way, according to the Grand Jury Report, it would be less likely that the white women would report the abortionist or the foul clinic.

      1. dav

        well zuppy is still, frothing at the mouth at the thought of the closure of the magdalene laundries… all of those “Fallen women” to be made slaves of, all of them children to be sold…

    1. kellma

      Who is advocating that a medical procedure should be unregulated or performed by lunatics here?!? No different than those loons who perform circumcisions on kitchen tables… that is not OK either but it doesn’t mean a correctly performed surgical procedure should be made unavailable because some nutjob with a GOD complex thinks he has an innate power to perform a highly skilled procedure that normally takes years to learn.

    2. ahjayzis

      Oh very conveniently ignoring the scandal of symphysiotomy there, Zups.

      Symphysiotomy, the torture of women giving birth, is wrong – we MUST ban the carrying of pregnancies to term to stop it. MANDATORY ABORTION NOW!

      And it’s not a religion in and of itself, Zuppy, it’s a tenet of Satanism. HAIL OUR DARK MASTER.

    3. Bob

      100% of anti-abortion proponents only want to save the foetus so when it grows up they can sacrifice it to the Blood God and writhe naked in its entrails. This is scientific fact!

      1. Zuppy International

        Fascinating. The lies about me and what I write here are getting more and more desperate. Added to daily the moderation and censorship from Broadsheet.ie I see it as a sign that the Abortion Huggers are confused by their own message and getting more and more desperate to deny the reality of what they are advocating for. They are suffering from the same cognitive dissonance they are trying to seed in others.

        None of them will respond to my call for them to clarify what the new rules should be: are their any limits to a mother’s right to kill her child?

        The last two times I asked this question on here Broadsheet failed to publish my comments.

          1. Bob

            Why should anyone answer you, Zupp? You’ll just move the goalposts and ask other loaded questions. You don’t want to discuss things, you just want to say “I’m right and you’re wrong!” and run away. And you throw a hissy fit when others do ti to you.

          2. Bob

            It’s Friday afternoon and I’m bored. I should know better, but apparently I’m jsut a silly abortion hugger.

          1. Jusayinlike

            He’s comparing abortion clinics to abattoirs, considering the numbers he’s listing he wouldn’t be far off tbh Bob

          2. Nigel

            That’s because he sees women as disposable slabs of meat and medical treatments for them butchery. He’s an incredibly weird individual.

          3. Jusayinlike

            Abortions aren’t medical treatments fella, and his concerns regarding abortion clinics as a profitable industry in the states are pretty clear to see so in a sense he has got a point

          4. Nigel

            It must be hard, Jusayinlike, not knowing what all these big words mean and still trying to have emphatic opinions about associated topis.

        1. Cian

          I’ll answer this.
          I don’t think there should be a time-limit on when the abortion takes place, the mother is best placed to make the decision. However, I believe it should become progressively more difficult to get as the weeks pass.
          1st trimester – on demand. No questions asked.
          2nd trimester – questions asked. progressively more difficult, it needs to be justified;
          3rd trimester – a very good reason for doing it – but if getting close to 40 weeks and the mother “doesn’t want it”… the option of a live-birth + adoption would be considered.

          1. Zuppy International

            Good man Cian, a fair effort, but I have a counter proposal.

            10 week limit in all cases. No exceptions except for a medical emergency. (This is more than enough time for a woman to make up her mind).

            The woman must acknowledge that she is exercising her right to kill her child in front of two competent medical witness. She must reaffirm this again immediately before the procedure to kill her baby and AFTER being shown an obligatory ultrasound of the baby. This is important because the medical staff involved must be able to ensure that the woman is giving her informed consent and they cannot be held liable for her desire to kill her baby.

            There should be no after market for aborted baby parts.

            The reason for the strict 10 week limits? A baby is a baby is a baby even at 10 weeks.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdXfTqBS-9E&t=40s

          2. Jusayinlike

            Agreed that the whole thing must be completely transparent financially top to bottom and the remains of the foetus to be destroyed after each op

          3. Caroline™

            So you’re in favour of baby murder until 10 weeks??

            You would allow an even older baby to be murdered in the womb simply because it was causing a medical emergency for its mother?? An innocent baby, murdered, for something it isn’t even aware it’s doing? That it couldn’t stop, even if it tried? You would snuff it out for that?

            Tell me, why do you hate 9 week old babies, Zuppy?

            The 9 week old babies are chopped liver to you. You would deny their existence with a desultory internet comment. They are as much babies as their 10 week old brothers and sisters. And yet you have admitted you would sign their death warrant.

          4. Zuppy International

            I agree with you 100% Caroline, I’m an anti-abortionist, even as I am sympathetic to those who claim to be pro choice.

            However, a situation has developed where a vocal minority are demanding that we allow mothers to murder their babies, seemingly without limit. These abortion huggers are claiming the moral high ground of “CHOICE” even as they refuse to discuss what the new rules would be after they engineer the Repeal of the 8th amendment. I find this disingenuous in the extreme and note that so far none of the usual suspects on here have responded to my challenge to outline their preferred limits on abortion/baby murder.

            My 10 week limit proposal is act of rhetorical provocation, designed to bring the discussion from the abstract to the actual. Looking at the video above I can’t believe that anybody seeing the same would proceed with murder of the child depicted. Which is why I think it is essential that each mother sees a similar ultrasound before any abortion procedure.

            However, I accept that some may still proceed and if they choose to do so then the moral responsibility for that choice is on them and nobody else. It is important that the system gives them every opportunity to make the other, more positive choice.

            Remember the 8th amendment still stands until the people decide otherwise. The abortionists have an uphill battle, in spite of their billionaire backing.

          5. Caroline™

            Zuppy how naive can you be?! I’m shocked but not surprised. Ultrasound laws are in place right NOW in the United States and they have NOT prevented the murder of babies!

            You need to understand that the only way to staunch the blood is an outright ban on abortion. You need to stop pretending you can argue or reason with a woman who wants to kill her child – it’s been shown to be futile. Your “rhetorical provocation” while noble in intent will bring the whole edifice of our humane laws crashing down. WAKE UP. There is no way to absolve yourself of this while giving in to the vocal minority. The only way is to remain constant, insane and steadfast. Do not give in to reason. Do not listen to the others. The only voices you need to listen to are the ones in your head.

          6. Zuppy International

            I take your point Caroline but please note that the most outspoken abortion provocateurs continue to ignore all demands for them to outline their post Repeal plans. Thus they have vacated their standing in discussion.

            The 8th amendment still stands. Long may it do so.

          7. Zuppy International

            I take your point Caroline but please note that the most outspoken abortion provocateurs on here have consistently ignored my demands to outline their plans post Repeal. Thus they have vacated their standing in discussion.

            The 8th amendment still stands. Long may it do so.

    4. ReproBertie

      A dodgy clinic in America is utterly irrelevant in the debate about controlling access to abortion in Ireland. Spare us your fearmongering and whataboutery.

        1. Sheik Yahbouti

          Is that true, Frilly? All we have to look forward to is more execrable writing?? Ah, poo (in lieu of the word which rhymes with kite).

    1. missred

      I read that the other day. It’s insane seeing all of that in one timeline and it doesn’t cover half the members.

      1. some old queen

        Yes the timeline reveals the true picture. It is not that they were against one thing they were against every single social change in our recent history. Imagine trying to backtrack on divorce now? Or even equal marriage let alone the recriminalisation of homosexuality? Freedoms happen only once and only in one direction.

        These people should be called out for what they are, reactionary bigots who wish to force their world view on the rest of us. Their time is over. They should not be allowed to subvert the will of the people anymore.

        1. Zuppy International

          Freedom to kill babies is no freedom at all. It’s an indication of a dysfunctional culture.

          The 8th amendment was passed by the will of the people. It still stands.

          1. some old queen

            That is a no then.

            The link above is a time line of a couple of self righteous zealots who have fought change at every step by attempting to force their views onto others.

            Do you agree with that description of Youth Defence?

          2. Zuppy International

            You’re making assumptions about me to suit your own agenda.

            What has the marriage referendum got to do with killing babies?

            I have nothing to do with and no interest in Youth Defence. You don’t need to be religious to know that abortion is murder.

          1. Zuppy International

            Abortion is the killing of a baby. That’s a fact not a belief.

            Why link it to the marriage referendum?

      1. Sheik Yahbouti

        It is even more frightening that such a small group should have such a huge effect on social policy in this country. It would appear that fanaticism, persistence and sheer arrogance and hard neck REALLY pays off in this great little Republic of ours.

    2. LW

      Fascinating!
      “Family experts throughout the world know that when the abortion promoters move into a school with their propaganda, they corrupt innocent young people, contributing to an increase in promiscuity, venereal disease, out-of-wedlock pregnancy and abortion The godless sex educators’ agenda is evil. It’s rotten. It must be opposed.” This is a quote from them, opposing sex education in schools, in 2002! You’d forget how recently such tripe would get in the paper.

  3. Daisy Chainsaw

    How awful it must be that they can’t use “fallen women” for profit in the Laundries by both using them as slave labour and then selling their babies out from under them.

    How awful it must be that they simply can’t move a “troublesome” priest raping children into another parish, providing him with fresh meat.

    How awful it must be that they can’t tell a woman being raped and beaten by her husband to return to the family home and be a good wife.

    How awful it must be that they’ll be an irrelevance within a generation.

    People aren’t afraid of the catholic church dictatorship anymore. It only holds sway over a small few these days… How awful it must be!

  4. Peter Dempsey

    That Ciaran is one angry dude with serious baggage . I can’t wait for the next Spotlight On The Right. Apparently the guy intends writing about everybody who has a different opinion to him.

          1. Peter Dempsey

            There’s a theory that goes like this: whatever we disown in ourselves, we are more sensitive to in other people.

            It has some merit but for me, there’s no emotional pay-off in projection.

          2. Caroline™

            You’ve written a comment above mocking this guy Eoin for keeping tabs on people he disagrees with.

            Does anything about that strike you as familiar?

          3. Peter Dempsey

            No – my comment about keeping tabs was directed at the guy in Some Old Queen’s post – who has written about two Youth Defence heavies.

            In any case, passing comments on Broadsheet about people I disagree with (which I do quite a bit) is a lot different to some bloggers doing in-depth investigative pieces on people like Youth Defence or the Christian Right or whoever.

            What are their motives? General public interest stuff or playing to the gallery and to their echo chamber?

            I know I’ll have almost zero support for my opinions here but I think it’s important to challenge the consensus.

          4. Caroline™

            You must be joking. This place is teeming with proud contrarians, bleating about challenging the consensus. It’s the only reason most of them post here. They rarely contribute anything else.

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