Now start up your engines and go
Through Dublin exceedingly slow
They’ll be clamping down
On speed in this town
So the traffic like treacle can flow.
John Moynes
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Now start up your engines and go
Through Dublin exceedingly slow
They’ll be clamping down
On speed in this town
So the traffic like treacle can flow.
John Moynes
might as well walk. this is a joke.
Walk or cycle. It’s better for you, better for the environment. 30kph is the correct speed limit for residential zones – the probability of fatal injury to pedestrians increases dramatically at faster speeds than that.
Cyclists should be BANNED.
That’s the idea.
Sure it’ll save lives but millions will be late.
Road deaths in Dublin are already VERY low by European standards, and INCREDIBLY low by global standards (this is a good thing by the way). This is down to very good driver behaviour (trust me, I have lived elsewhere) as well as very conservative engineering.
At we are at (maybe past) the point of diminishing returns in Dublin.
Many of us live in or close to the city and have to make journeys in cars from time to time. This will make life unfortunately slower. And of course with no sign of any proper public transport infrastructure (Metro North AND Dart Underground please) in the pipeline.
“Road deaths in Dublin are already VERY low by European standards….(this is a good thing by the way).”
I’m glad you explained that one for us.. lol
County Dublin had one road death per 79k of population last year.
Country Donegal had one per 14k population.
This is FIVE AND A HALF times the rate of Dublin.
It is sweet to see DCC so concerned, but there are much bigger problems elsewhere.
Why not just impose a 30kph speed limit on all of Co Donegal?
“County Dublin had one road death per 79k of population last year.”
Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
“Why not just impose a 30kph speed limit on all of Co Donegal?”
Maybe ask Donegal CC that instead?
Not sure DCC has much of a say up there in Donegal.
We shlould be aiming for better prospects for a walk down the street than life or death. This is about making the city a pleasant place to live.
Why don’t we make it illegal to walk home drunk? It is very dangerous: http://www.rsa.ie/en/Utility/News/News-2016/Alcohol-a-Factor-in-38-of-Collisions-Between-2008-and-2012/
Public safety and liberty involve trade-offs and compromises along various dimensions. The law is making one dimension (road speed in Dublin city) very restrictive and doing a lot less on others: road speed in Donegal, and pedestrian drunkenness everywhere.
It’s progress, but physical barriers to stop traffic *traversing* residential streets would be better. The AA wanted in increase the speed limit on Dawson St? Completely backward!
They tried to enforce this a few years back but it just doesn’t work. Try driving down the quays at 30kph-you’ll anger people
It actually impedes flow – well, depending on the traffic levels. To drive around any congested city you need to move swiftly at times and take up your lane when it becomes available. If driving at 30kph you won’t have the momentum to shift your ass when you need to. I don’t promote speeding down a busy street – but keeping above 30 when the way is clear is better driving than snailing along watching your speedometer.
I agree, slow moving vehicles on the quays frustrates other drivers. What’s needed on the quays is a reduction in the number of traffic lanes and traffic islands to pinch the lane width, so that it feels normal to drive at low speeds. Then slow moving traffic wouldn’t frustrate other drivers.
What I have observed is people accelerating to 50 or 60km per hour for 200 metres then stopping for 2-3 minutes at the lights.
They’re going nowhere because they are in a queue like everyone else.
Maybe there are computer models for traffic flow in Dublin but I am certain we can find European comparisons.
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/traffic-engineers-say-slowing-down-will-get-you-through-a-jam-faster-1415386073?client=safari
I do that test on a push bike…. see if you can catch the guy who jumped the last light… usually you can (unless they’ve completely bolted) :)
Yep, that’s true 7am- 7pm
(but I have a fast bike : )
Exactly. The average speed of a journey across the city is lot slower than 30kph. So we should think of this as meaning we’ll spend less time queuing at lights!
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http://www.dublincity.ie/main-menu-services-roads-and-traffic/speed-review-frequently-asked-questions#8
“What are the perceived negative effects should the Special Speed Limit Bye-Laws be adopted?
… The greatest increase to a driver’s journey time would not exceed 1 minute in that situation of greatest inconvenience.
However the substantial majority of motorists would see an increase of less than 20 seconds to their journey time when accessing a location within the proposed 30km/hr speed zones….”
This is just bottom. I’m forced to do 30km/h in town rising to 60km/h going for 4 lanes past the Red Cow and yet when I get to the sticks I can do 100km/h on a one lane country road with impunity disregarding tractors, cyclists, pedestrians on roads with no footpaths. All to make easy money.
You don’t HAVE to do 100km/h on a one lane road – that’s just the legal speed limit. You could just drive at a speed appropriate to the conditions.
Not my point
Yes you do. The speed limit for me is always the target speed.
I feel the need. The need for speed
limits.
I object to a 30mph limit.
30mph is way too high when you aren’t on an autobahn, and the obligation shouldn’t be on the person you will cause injury to.
I understand that you might feel ‘invincible’ in your little car, but you can’t be trusted.
You’re an idiot.
Oh, but it ONLY kills X amount of people per year…
F.O.
Set your alarm 20mins earlier. Go to bed earlier. Be late.
Stop risking other people’s lives.