Yikes.
They are falling apart from within.
Louis Le Fronde writes:
Further to your delusional struggle to save the unattractive Poolbeg chimney stacks [Pigeon House Rd, Ringsend, Dublin 4]. Nature is having her say. Here are some exclusive photos from a friend showing the state of the stacks on the inside and how they are falling apart from within. Ultimately they’re going to have to be demolished….
Who can save Poolbeg now?
Anyone?
Update:
Ah here.
The flutes?
Thanks Louis
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“Ultimately they’re going to have to be demolished….”
That is not at all true.
You’d swear they are the only chimneys in the city anyone ever thought of architecturally conserving.
Louis’ obsession has become more than tiresome. Butt out – alleged French Canadian (yeah right).
Pity they didn’t fall on you Louis.
My
Sentiments
Precisely
WINNER!
yeah right. by “falling apart” you mean someone recently knocked loose 20 non-load baring bricks from the entrance way which you can clearly see missing from the right side in the second photo, (probably used the plank that you can see on the floor in the last photo) Threw them around the floor and says the whole thing has to be demolished.
Postmanpat, I love the ‘Spin’ you’re putting on it. Some people might believe that concocted fairytale, but the good news is I can recommend a good agent if you want to try your hand at fiction….
Jaaysus, but they look shabby up close.
An absolute eyesore which at least before served some purpose; there is no point now spending tens of thousands of euros per year to maintain them – knock ’em down.
(kudos on the headline, btw).
More of the NEW=BAD and OLD=GOOD thinking that dominates the planning decision-making process in Ireland.
It took a decade and a half and much gnashing of teeth to build the much lower profile incinerator a few hundred meters away.
If these things get further preserved it will cost a lot of money spread thinly over the electricity bills of everyone in the country btw…..
That’s infinitesimal in the context of preserving a key part of our shared architectural heritage
But yeah knock them down
That’s the problem with subjective aesthetics.
You will never get a consensus.
How much is truly objective in life fact checker?
Of course preserving the built environment is entirely subjective and subject to the whims of a few self appointed experts. Isn’t the banking industry almost identical?
You obviously weren’t around in the 60’s when the first chimney went up or the 1970’s when the second one was constructed. I’m old enough to remember what the bay was like before them, and believe you me, it was a lot better.
Old farts opinions don’t count in the digital age Pat.
That’s ok Pat.
I suppose we need to balance the views of people like you with the more sentimental type.
I’m not a Dublin native but having seen so many failed attempts at building public monuments there it seems like shooting fish in a barrel to preserve a monument that many generations identify with and fondly consider.
I think that there is a distinction between knocking down Georgian buildings willy-nilly, and knocking down two clapped-out industrial chimneys that blight the view across Dublin bay, and would cost loads of money to keep up.
Not everything old is necessarily worth preserving.
That’s true.No one would argue if
You wanted to cut off
Michael Boo Man’s life support
Until that happy day and the advent of legal euthanasia I believe there is an emotional attachment many have to the stacks. You or I may not share it but I personally would be more inclined to rail against blighted human rather than pigeon or seagull accommodation
Why not give them a lick of paint while they wait forever to make any kind of decision?
would that be load-bearing paint?
Crack-paint will suffice. 1 red tin, 1 white tin.
Get Hoosier on the committee to save them
Get U2 to write a song about them.
Or the Stones even – Aint too proud to (Pool) Beg.
The
Combined wit
And wisdom
Of brash broadsheet nobodies
that would be an unsuitable opening verse
It’s post-rock
so Louis would you get your mate to give them a lick of paint please.
Louis Le Fronde, the high brow cultural snob who enjoys picking at the scabs of sentimental Ireland.
You’re giving him
Way too
Much credit Dad
@Daddy, Oh yes I am everything you say, a ‘High Brow Cultural Snob’ but at least it’s better than being a low-brow uneducated ‘schleb’ like you.
*chuckles*
Well you’re talking to a fourth level educated chap here Louis so possibly even more educated than yourself with your yiddish insults. I can never understand Irish people who use Yiddish soundbites. I suppose you’re too good for your own kind.
How was your Foie Gras over the Christmas period.
Irish? Last time I checked my passport it was Canadian… lol. Keep trying Daddy, you’ll get there, eventually.
Oh I see. Canadian. Still in that case, why the Yiddish? So are you one of those more French than the French themselves Canadians?
Feck’s sake stop being such a schmuck about the Yiddish.
Mazel
Tov
not all Irish are goy, dahhhling, you’re making me verklempt with all your kvetching about yiddish. yeesh.
That was a witty rejoinder I must admit.
You are somewhat insufferable though Lolly
And also foreign which immediately disqualifies you from having an opinion about anything here unless it’s to practise your ” aren’t they so cute little peasants there drinking pints of Guinness and playing fiddles” condescension techniques.
…And looking from the outside in, you have a gang of numb nuts who want to save a pair of industrial chimneys from the 60’s….?
At which point, you have to consider that perception concerning Irish people and Intelligence..
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish-placed-low-on-academic-s-iq-table-1.1289495
Well I suppose that time we invaded Canada was a bit silly alright.
“At which point, you have to consider that perception concerning Irish people and Intelligence..”
Just shut up before you make yourself look more stupid Louis.
Cmere, do you think the management at the ESB will be impressed with your friend passing on photographs of a secure location and you plastering them abouts on the internets?
“Here are some exclusive photos from an engineer friend in the ESB showing the state of the stacks on the inside and how they are falling apart from within.”
Exclusive he says..did you check with the ESB if it was ok to release these?
No of course you didn’t.
Unbelievable….
that Louis has a friend I mean.
Haha you’re really going for it now!
Fair play in fairness.
Creep.
Speaking as a structural engineer, this doesn’t surprise me. The chimneys were not designed to last and what’s more from a construction perspective they were designed and built in the 60’s and 70’s with materials that would not be used today. Inevitably, they will have to come down, the sooner the better.
Regretfully, there are these mad untermuchkins who have a sad attachment to them, not realising that something awesome could be constructed in their place.
Of course, none of the ‘Save Poolbeg Brigade’ ever acknowledge the major asbestos problem associated with the stacks. They’ll be demolished incrementally within the next two years on the grounds of public health and safety.
Ah in fairness Pat, Ireland doesn’t really do ‘something awesome’.
Ever.
The Spire was supposed to have been 50% bigger before the nimbys protested.
Would have been fantastic.
“Something awesome” like more apartments.
It’s such an obvious PR hack attempt at making people think the chimneys are beyond saving and keeping them intact is… blah blah blah, tax payers money.
They are an important landmark, visual reference point and as integral to the urban geography as many of our finer buildings.
It’s not taxpayer’s money, it’s worse.
It would be paid for by a regulated utility which would pass on the costs to the electricity users of Ireland.
The ESB’s revenues are set (legitimately, but opaquely) by a regulatory process which is largely behind closed doors.
At least public spending gets debated and voted on in the Oireachtas every year.
That’s true however if we were to pick at
The
Scabs or overspending in the energy industry
I
Sense we would find far
More festering sores
I fully agree winner.
Whatever you say Daddy, it’s all part of an evil plan concocted by the World Government and little green men to remove from your grasp a couple of industrial chimneys to make your life less meaningful…..
Nice try on the tin hat thing.
>They are an important landmark, visual reference point and as integral to the urban geography as many of our finer buildings.
ALl those points are incorrect, when they finally go, people will see that the bay looks far better, hopefully replaced with some taller buildings eventually. They look dirty and industrial and very shit I’m afraid
Ah, that would be the Poolbeg Chimneys, a paddy whack monument to Irish ignorance. In the Rhur, they’d die laughing at the Fr Ted attempt to save a pair of dilapidated flutes long past their functional use.
For god sake get over yourselves and get rid of them.
….meanwhile in Dubai, they know how to build inspiring buildings on landmark locations.
https://www.jumeirah.com/en/hotels-resorts/dubai/burj-al-arab/
property developer propoganda
“meanwhile in Dubai”
They also know how to stone women to death, execute their opposition and use slave labour from Asia to build those tacky towers of tasteless crassness.
Dubai is where suburban westerners go to play rich man while ignoring the wholesale abuse of human rights there.
Dubai is where suburban westerners go to play rich man while ignoring the wholesale abuse of human rights there….
See also: Doheny & Nesbitt’s.
HA!
Bertie = purebred
If you find Dubai architecture “inspiring”, there is no hope of you ever having taste. Dubai is a monument to crass.
agreed. all that towering glass and fake land. shudder.
Spend money on homeless services or save these things…
IMHO, I say, lose the stacks.
On other wastes of money, how much does the self-cleaning spire cost to clean annually again?
There’s nothing wrong with spending money on real landmarks, as opposed to the flutes. Construction creates jobs which has a multiplier effect in the economy. A real landmark would serve as a tourist attraction. Let’s be frank, no one in their right mind would see the Poolbeg flutes as a go-to place.
Concerning ‘Services’… this is the atypical response whenever something innovative is suggested in Ireland. It’s the stock argument used the world over by the lefties. ‘We should spend the money on services…..blah blah blah’
‘We should spend the money on services…..blah blah blah’
Wow. Well considering developers have always dodged their commitments under development plans by buying their way out of social housing allocations and not building parks and amenities, there is only local governments left to pay for those vital services. And that means the tax must be used to fund them.
It’s all very fine if you’re wealthy enough to ‘go private’ instead of using public services like most Europeans do but don’t force that ideology on the rest of the population who pay tax for services unlike white collar tax dodging criminals.
“Spend money on homeless services or save these things…”
Yeah like that’s the choice.
You’re simple.
And after reading your responses to Louis Lefronde above, I’ll be taking no heed of “simple” insults from you Daddy, good lad :)
Hey Louis La plonkure when are you p*ssing off back to La cote d’azur? Soon? Like how soon?
Winner
As if on cue ( see my remarks above Louis)
Amazing.
Just like a dancing cat meme.
@Anne. I’m already there and it’s nice and sunny.
Wish you were here :-P
Hate to break it to you Anne but they have internet there too…..
this is a personal mission for Louis, as he stands to gain from their demise. Don’t listen to his self-serving propaganda. the chimneys are part of the Dublin skyline, don’t knock-em down for one snobs personal gain.
They are ugly. And will always be ugly. No matter how many Dublin eeeejits romanticize them. They are and will always be ugly.
Like yer ma.
knock em down i say, they are an eyesore
Couldn’t they just rebuild the pipes and put the exact same paint job on them?
To be honest, I don’t really have a particular grá (that’s love Louis) for the stacks but I can’t stand those who use false arguments in order to further an undeclared agenda. It’s inherently dishonest and disrespectful. People like that are selfish from cradle to grave. But they do die lonely so I suppose that’s something.
relaxo rancho there da, yer not in custody… but might give child services a bell.. send someone over, see if yer alright…
We should replace them with a 120 foot statue of Jarry Oddoms and Morten MyGuinness.
Or 2 more Spires, we can never have enough Spires around the city.
What’s the undeclared agenda?
Hear, hear!
Would love to hear that bit :)
….and the bit about “those who use false arguments” to back it up !
The undeclared agenda is that Louis got ‘exclusive’ photos from a secure location from someone working in the ESB who is currently thinking f*** me, why did I send that f***ing dope the photos..f*** f*** f*** and like a lot of french tw*ts the arrogance took over and he just had to share the exclusive photos.
He’s Canadian love. You know over there beyond Limerick?
it can’t be all that secure if you can do this:
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvAWAHczOYs&w=640&h=360%5D
That’s the best imagery ESB Enginneering can come up with?
Says it all.
Demolish those towers and the entire ESB with it.
Anne, I’m loving the ‘undeclared agenda’ nonsense you’re going on with…. Seriously, can you not come up with something better?
Maybe it’s a simple observation that the Chimneys have gone beyond their ‘sell-by date’, they are dilapidated and structurally unsound. They occupy the entrance to the port and are ugly beyond belief. Dublin Bay would look so much better without them, and what’s more they occupy a place where a real landmark could be placed instead. Therein lies your ‘agenda’
A simple question Anne, is this the best Ireland can do? Seriously?
C’mon Dublin deserves better?
bla bla bla n your Eiffel towel aint all that either.
Winner
You know Louis, darling, perhaps if you weren’t such a dick about it, people might be willing to admit that you have a point.
But, by all means, continue on with the thing you have going on and pissing off the general consensus.
I reckon Bodger loves you.
I thought Donald Trump proved consensus counts for s**t!
It’s like shooting fish in a barrel in here isn’t it mill dread?
But he does it with a certain elan and an ‘ow you say ‘je ne sais quoi”
I like them. The add something to Dublin’s appallingly dull city sky-line.
Keep/maintain them until the morons in DCC force developers to build some 40+ story buildings in the docks. You know, make something of the skyline and possibly give people* places to live!
*good people, not scroungers.
“until the morons in DCC force developers to build some 40+ story buildings in the docks. You know, make something of the skyline and possibly give people* places to live!”
Ha. As if the DCC will force that. They all seem to be stuck in a generation that believes Dublin is still a town and that anything over 6 stories will plunge it into darkness and give everyone rickets.
The chimneys were capped last year, it’s not unlikely the debris there may have resulted from remediation works at the top to facilitate the capping. If they took the bother to cap them then I wouldn’t think they plan to knock them anytime soon.
Ah Emah,
Stop making excuses…. they’re falling down for god’s sake. Cheaply built with bad materials in the 1960’s and 70’s. They’ve served their purpose in a place they should never have been built. Get rid of them, and the plonkers who in Dublin city council who voted to list them….?
It’s time to progress and move forward
But where to Louis? Please show us the way
Winner!
Life in Canada must be a real blast, with you on BS so much.
Louis, are you an only child? You remind me so much of a brat cousin I grew up with – he was a complete pr*ck too.
Incredible how precious you lot are about a couple of chimneys, and attacking a poster because he doesn’t like them.
weird. really weird.
https://youtu.be/MIaORknS1Dk
It’s a bit like this around here some days.
tis