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Part of a glossary of terms compiled by Ireland-based, America-born writer Nick Pell for the Irish Times prompting a violent Twitter backlash.

The alt-right movement: everything you need to know (Nick Pell, Irish Times)

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145 thoughts on “To Pell And Back

  1. Willie Banjo

    Alt-news: newspaper content with no real function except to act as click bait in an attempt to generate online revenue for dying publication trying to stave off the inevitable.

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    1. Jaden

      Groupthink – When a bunch of people share an opinion you don’t like.
      Consensus – When a bunch of people share an opinion you like.

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      1. Jake38

        Vested interest- people you don’t like who have an interest in something which you want to change

        Stakeholders- people you do like who have an interest in something which you don’t want to change.

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      2. ironcorona

        I think groupthink refers to the outcome and not necessarily the process of agreement (or consensus).

        Consensus is where everyone agrees and groupthink is where people don’t raise objections.

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  2. Walls

    The presence of this in the Irish Times is yet more normalising of extreme Nationalism and is worrying. Interesting that he starts with definitions, thereby already trying to change the landscape…

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      1. Walls

        Not very constructive. Do you see something to support about Pell’s article? Would very much like to discuss if you do.

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          1. Walls

            I would take note of the nature of his comments, and make a point of opposing them where possible.

            Why are you not worried?

    1. Daisy Chainsaw

      Eamonn – The flakiest snowflake of them all. So angry, so pathetic… so alone. So very very alone. :'(

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    1. Daisy Chainsaw

      As usual, the women are shrill and unattractive and the insults question masculinity. Such scared little boys! More choad than chad.

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  3. Bob

    So the Irish Times is just given up even pretending to be a newspaper and is just going for clickbait.

    Not unexpected, but unfortunate.

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    1. Spaghetti Hoop

      That’s it. When the dumb have nothing to aspire to, the media eventually drop to their level. Explains the high UK newspaper sales – clearly coveted now by Irish newspapers.

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      1. Nigel

        Actually it probably has more to do with cost-cutting and redundancies leading to poorer quality reporting. Media isn’t dropping to a level it’s being dropped.

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  4. DubLoony

    Words are being re-defined to be short hand for hate, intolerance and lack of critical thinking.

    George Orwell, Politics and the English Language says it best.
    http://www.npr.org/blogs/ombudsman/Politics_and_the_English_Language-1.pdf
    ” The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one’s real and one’s
    declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms,
    like a cuttlefish spurting out ink. In our age there is no such thing as ‘keeping out of
    politics’. All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly,
    hatred, and schizophrenia. When the general atmosphere is bad, language must suffer.”

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      1. Robert

        Well no, not really, at least not in the literal meaning of fascism …

        I would have let you have ‘sophists’, ‘extremists’, ‘fundamentalists’ or ‘totalitarians’.

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          1. Clampers Outside!

            Here you go Nigel, a writer more in tune with your age cohort – https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/747527349525176321

            And when you feel a bit more grown up, try this – http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/fascism-alive-britain-left-right/

            Here, more along the lines of what you purport to read, with examples – https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/australia/rem-fascism.htm

            Wikipedia – with two well awarded sociologists – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_fascism

            When done, plse come back, I’ll give you more.

          2. Starina

            nobody’s denying that leftwing fascism is a thing – but this post is about right-wing fascism and what you’re doing is derailing the conversation.
            or am i an oppressive feminazi for telling you that?

          3. Nigel

            You belie your loudly declared commitment to facts and nuance every time you post. Identifying the strain of leftist totalitarianism as fascism is an ahistorical political and cultural exercise in creating cover, minimisation and what they call ratf*cking, because suddenly the Nazis are actually leftists! I wish you well, but you’re turning into such a dupe. Identify the totalitarian tendencies in leftism by all means, though you’re generally quite bad at it because you employ alt-right vectors..Calling them fascism is buying into a right-wing narrative.

          4. Clampers Outside!

            Not at all Satrina
            I had no intention of going that route. The piece was about alt-right. It doesn’t mention ‘fascism’ directly. But Ms Higgins, in her tweets does demand to know why no reference to ‘fascism’ was directly included in the piece, which is how this tangent came about.

            Sorry for the unintended derailment, and you may call yourself what ever you like Starina.

          5. Starina

            ok, grand. but the alt-right movement is a fascist one. the term “alt-right” is a PR excercise. and if the article wasn’t promoting the alt-right then it would have included the word “fascist”, even to say “regarded as ‘fascist’ by many” or “counts among its followers many fascist and neo-nazi adherants.”

          6. Nigel

            As usual you run away when challenged because you’re letting alt-right criticisms of the left and feminism do your thinking for you. I am accusing you of something, by the way. Since most of your posts are themselves some sort of accusation or other I can’t quite grasp why you’d think that was a definitive criticism of mine.

          7. Nigel

            Starinia – there’s the use of ‘fascism’ as a generic term for any kind of oppression. The police are fascist, the Spainish Inquisition was fascist, Mum’s a fascist because she won’t let me go out. Then there’s the actual historical and political meaning of the term and the characteristics and policies of actual fascists. Now that actual fascists are once again on the rise, it’s become muddied, allowing lovers of nuance like Clampers to aver that ‘both sides have fascist tendencies’ while some hack conservative scholars in the US have been working hard to redefine historical fascism as a left wing phenomenon. Clampers refusal to examine these issues is basically alt-right enabling.

          8. winner

            Satrina

            Starinia

            Latrinia

            Winner when the alt-right can’t even remember your posing handle alright all night

      2. TheQ47

        Merriam-Websters definition of fascism:
        “The English words fascism and fascist are borrowings from Italian fascismo and fascista, derivatives of fascio (plural fasci), “bundle, fasces, group.” Fascista was first used in 1914 to refer to members of a fascio, or political group. In 1919, fascista was applied to the black-shirted members of Benito Mussolini’s organization, the Fasci di combattimento (“combat groups”), who seized power in Italy in 1922. Playing on the word fascista, Mussolini’s party adopted the fasces, a bundle of rods with an ax among them, as a symbol of the Italian people united and obedient to the single authority of the state. The English word fascist was first used for members of Mussolini’s fascisti, but it has since been generalized to those of similar beliefs.”

        https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

        So, yes, it’s first definition from 1914 just means members of a political group, but from 5 years later, i.e. for almost 100 years, it has been taken to mean right-wing such as followers of Mussolini.

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    1. President von Clownstick

      Ah here. It’s good for Clampers to have something add to his online education on being a dope.

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  5. Pete

    Who the fupp is Nick Pell? Why should we care? He is literally nobody. And the ‘alt-right’ movement is just a bunch of angry, entitled, white bottomholes stamping their feet because they feel their privilege is being taken away from them. It’s pathetic.

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  6. Clampers Outside!

    Maeve Higgins and friends had a mini meltdown over it…. https://twitter.com/maevehiggins

    Calls by liberals and leftists that this piece was written without mentioning the word “fascists” while at the same time the same liberals call for censorship of the piece is so brilliantly hypocritical….. it’s a chuckle fest :)

    Fascism come from the LEFT and the RIGHT.
    Censorship and anti-freespeech calls, like Maeve Higgins’, are also bedrocks of fascism FFS! LOL at the ignorance.

    After reading it, I thought the ‘Snowflake’ definition was hilariously wrong… wtf…. :)

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    1. Liberte Capillaire

      There is a difference between questioning the publication of this piece and being anti-free speech. To what I understand from Maeve Higgins’ tweet she does not call for censorship. Also, Rigth wing fascist rebranded Alt-Right are not exactly in lack of media exposure…
      I think it is a dangerous mistake to publish this without any comments or context. As it stands it could let someone believe that using the expression “Dindu” is only “irreverent sense of humour” while it is utterly racist (because it assumes that a black person would necessarily speak like that and be a criminal).
      It is one thing not to ignore/censor minority groups opinions, it is another thing for a mainstream newspaper (or what is left of it) to publish it like it did.

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      1. Clampers Outside!

        Maeve makes demands of the editor as to why he published the piece… That is, she’d prefer it was never done, calling for it not to be ever done, that’s a call for censorship and a policing of free speech, which is a tenet of fascism.

        I’m not defending the written piece – it’s a really poor piece – I’m making comment on the silly reactions to it, and pointing out a bit of the resulting unintended comedic hypocrisy in those reactions.

        No topic is above discussion. None.

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        1. Vote Rep #1

          “No topic is above discussion. None.”

          Except questioning the motives of an editor it would seem. To do would be fascist.

          Some nice unintended comedic hypocrisy there Clampers.

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          1. Clampers Outside!

            No.
            The fact she demands to know why the piece was done without mentioning ‘fascism’ is an attempt at control of the language. And ignores her own attempts at policing that same language.

            She makes demands not only of the piece and how it is written, but that it should not be written, but if it is to be written, it should be associated with ‘fascism’.

            That’s simply a demand for censorship and language policing mate.

          2. Loan Some Cow Boy

            How come this troll “Clampers Outside” is allowed post racist misogny here daily when other trolls such as MoyestWithExcitement, Bodger and Don Pidgeoni have been forced to re-brand and/or have their output moderated?

            The sheer ubiquity and lack of moderation undercutting his brand of seriously questionable reactionary claptrap impacts considerably on the overall user experience and enjoyment of your blog site.

          3. Clampers Outside!

            I get censored, moderated too, but I don’t moan about it as much.

            Also, I don’t make accusations like “racist misogny” without citing something to back it up like you have done.

            If I post “racist misogny” on a daily basis, please post 3 links (if I do it everyday you should have no problem finding them) to incidences where this has been done, thanks Lone Some.

          4. Loan Some Cow Boy

            Nice one Clampers

            Another self-important blogger so full of himself that he actually thinks other readers tuning in on their lunchbreak have nothing better to do that trawl through pages of the awful spit-flecked trifling minutiae they excrete here to order daily

            Just moderate yourself or take your hate for 50% of the world’s populace elsewhere
            Mate

          5. Loan Some Cow Boy

            Clampers

            Are you denying you are

            a A troll
            b hate women and
            c a complete pain in the arse?

        2. Medium Sized C

          “That is, she’d prefer it was never done, calling for it not to be ever done, that’s a call for censorship and a policing of free speech, ”

          It isn’t.
          Again, you don’t actually know what the words you use, mean.
          The editor can choose not to publish information.
          They do this every day. That is what editorial is.

          “No topic is above discussion. None.”

          Bull.

          Specific peoples private lives.
          The identity of abused children.
          Prejudicial details of ongoing criminal trials.
          Peoples private medical records.
          We could go on for hours thinking of topics that should not be discussed.

          But instead here is one that we can discuss:

          Reasons why publishing this article is wrong.
          And maybe people should be free to do that without being accused of facism, censorship or attacking free-speech.

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          1. Clampers Outside!

            But it is an attack on free speech. Just because you don’t like the language or the content does not mean it should not be published. And Maeve is calling for policing that.

          2. Vote Rep #1

            You are attacking her right to be able to question it. Do you see your own hypocrisy here?

          3. Vote Rep #1

            “I’m on about her insistence that fascism is a right only ”

            Can you point out where she insisted that fascism is a right only thing? Or are you of the opinion that when called out a group with fascist tendencies, one must also specify that other groups on the opposite political spectrum can also be fascist?

          4. Kenny Plank

            The Speech Stasi out in force I see… and not one iota of anti-semanticism to be found…

        3. Murtle

          I’m not a big fan of hers, but I don’t see where she “demanded” anything to be fair. It’s a very poor and inaccurate article and should rightfully be slated.

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    2. Medium Sized C

      You don’t know what Facism is.
      And you don’t understand what hypocrisy is, but we have been through that hundreds of times with you.
      And you don’t understand the concept of censorship if you think Higgins called for censorship.
      Also, your bar for a meltdown is pretty low.

      I mean what you are doing is calling someone a facist for saying stuff you don’t agree with.

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      1. Starina

        it’s classic alt-right, really. or maybe we should take the example of several publications who have made the editorial decision to disavow the use of the white-washing PR term “alt-right” and call them what they are: white nationalists.

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    3. Vote Rep #1

      “Censorship and anti-freespeech calls, like Maeve Higgins’, are also bedrocks of fascism FFS! LOL at the ignorance.”

      Some tweeted her the same thing Clampers. Like you, Derek seemed to be under the same mistaken impression that criticising something means that they want it censored. In the land of Clampers, questioning the motives of the publisher equates to fascism. Lol at the he ignorance indeed.

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      1. Clampers Outside!

        Read the rest of her tweets, she demands of the editor, why did you publish this, and then…. demands why was it published without referencing ‘fascism’ ….completely unaware of her own fascistic demands.

        That’s damn funny! :)

        Fascism comes from L and R

        “In the land of Clampers, questioning the motives of the publisher equates to fascism” – No. You are wholly incorrect. Maeve equates the two, when she demands to know why ‘fascism’ isn’t mentioned in the piece.

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        1. Vote Rep #1

          She does equate the publisher with fascism, she equates the alt-right with it something most major news organisations agree with and something the main players in the movement revel in and openly admit.

          But since she didn’t mention that the far left also have the same tendencies, even though it had nothing to do with the article, she is therefore a fascist herself. Is this your actual argument?

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      1. Loan Some Cow Boy

        He’s like a broken record
        It’s astonishing that they allow him to post this stuff here every day then at the same time post stuff like the Irish Times allowing an ‘opinion piece’ on the alt-right as if they should be deciding what’s acceptable online debate

        Clampers is partly correct about one thing though. You parasitic neo-liberal fluffers abhor actual freedom of speech and enable the existence and flimsy arguments of the alt-right by definition.

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          1. Nigel

            ‘You parasitic neo-liberal fluffers abhor actual freedom of speech and enable the existence and flimsy arguments of the alt-right by definition.’

            While you guys just stand by wringing your hands and attacking, er, the liberals? The alt-right is being enabled all right, but not by liberals. You two are prime examples of alt-right enablers. They’ll have you subsumed in no time with their wacky irreverent sense of humour.

  7. gerry

    This is sickening. Why are the Irish Times publishing a glossary of racist terms? The tool who wrote it doesn’t even know what a ‘snowflake’ is supposed to be.

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      1. mildred st. meadowlark

        A frozen droplet of water, which falls from the sky, and is really a lesser spotted creature here in Ireland, which is better known for it’s high population of the snowflake’s cousin, the raindrop.

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      2. Starina

        from what i can gather, it’s anyone that doesn’t fall into conformity with everyone else. or demands respect.

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    1. SomeChump

      The Nazis define a snowflake as someone who isn’t tough enough and gets offended or upset too easily. It’s a term they apply to anyone who complains about their racism and misogyny.

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  8. j9

    Nicholas Pell : Prick …
    It cracks me up how these people try and hide behind the term alt-right … the correct terms would really be racist/fascist/mysogynistic/homophobic. They complain they are getting a hard time in the media or that the “left” are trying to “silence” them . F#pp off lads – seriously – you don’t have to be on the left to disagree with racism and hate speech. This kind of poo reminds me of the guff spouted by Ian O’Doherty – Ireland’s own Katie Hopkins.

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    1. Daisy Chainsaw

      Ian O’Doherty only wishes he could drum up this kind of attention. Has any Indo editor ever had to justify or explain why they publish the slurry O’Doherty poohs out?

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  9. Junkface

    Devolution is in full flow. Newspapers turning to click bait in an effort to survive in a modern world were more and more money goes to media billionaires like Murdoch. Give it 20 years and people won’t know anything about history and truth, they’ve already begun rejecting academia and the pursuit of knowledge. People are getting dumber and dumber, but they look happy on Facebook, thats what matters to them. Dangerous times ahead.

    Its all very ‘1984’ which is the creepiest thing. It just goes to show George Orwell was way ahead of his time.

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      1. Junkface

        Everything is misinterpreted nowadays. What part of the book in particular do you find to be the most misinterpreted?

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    1. ReproBertie

      “We beat them in 1916 and we beat them again today!” – some Dublin eejit on a Newstalk vox pop after the Love Ulster showdown on O’Connell St.

      “People” only have a vague notion of history anyway and, from an Irish history point of view, most of that is the glossed over pro-nationalist version we got from the Christian Brothers.

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  10. Joxer

    didnt yer man Pell do an article on Cracked where he admitted that his way of making money is by being a troll? IT is getting value for its money – whatever it paid him.

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  11. Starina

    when i hear “allergic to groupthink” is when the alarm bells start going off. it’s far-right-adjacent.

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    1. Loan Some Cow Boy

      You can’t deny that political correctness has been a most unfortunate development in public discourse?
      Oh well maybe you can!

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    1. ScaryLady

      Probably bricking it – “Oh no – someone who’s even more controversial than me!”

      Time for the Contrarian Olympics!

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  12. ironcorona

    Giving out about the content is like giving out about the dictionary for defining a word you don’t like.

    The definitions given in this piece are the definitions (according to the author) as they are understood by the alt-right.

    The fact that people find the definitions offensive is because they find the alt-right offensive. I don’t see this as an attempt to convince the reader of anything but more to inform the reader that this is what the alt-right thinks.

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    1. Daisy Chainsaw

      You don’t have an issue with a member of a right wing hate group being defined as “a young energetic upstart…. [with] an irreverent sense of humour”?

      Tomorrow belongs to you!

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    2. Junkface

      So this has nothing to do with a spate of recent articles in US and Europe trying to normalise Neo Nazis since the rise of Trump and his election victory? Even if some of the people who relate with Alt-right are not neo Nazis, a large portion of them are and now feel emboldened to be racist in everyday life. So with the gun culture in the US, and militia gun groups this has the potential to be a very dangerous situation. You’re talking about thousnads of dumbasses walking around with AR15 assault rifles feeling that its okay to threaten muslims, black people and asians. The newspapers have to be more responsible or history repeats itself.

      It would be interesting to read any newspaper articles from the early 1930’s from Germany and how they normalised Hitlers Nazi anti jew rhetoric just before he rose to power. Would it compare to the language used today? I wish I could read German

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  13. Drogg

    Ahh I remember the good auld days in Europe when we used to shoot or hang fascist thugs. Good times, good times.

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    1. Daisy Chainsaw

      These days, we’re expected to “hear them out”. Honestly, I don’t want to hear any nazi thugs out.

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      1. Drogg

        The biggest problem the left has is they generally believe you can debate with these scummy thugs but you can’t debate with stupid cause the only way to talk to them is at their level and down there everyone loses. What we need in this country is a good old fashioned anti fascist organisation.

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        1. Daisy Chainsaw

          That’s most people bar This little piggyda and the Irish Nazi Party… which are the same 2 malcontents, I think.

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          1. Drogg

            Don’t forget the Irish brotherhood which has strong connections to Iona, youth defence and some German neo nazi organisations and that other fascist w**k stain Justin Barrett

  14. Kieran NYC

    Jaysus. Almost 130 comments.

    With webtraffic like this, Broadsheet are going to have to give Clampers his own weekly alt-right column.

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  15. Kenny Plank

    Is Una Mually going to do an alt-snowflake glossary for millenials?

    E.g.,
    1. Gentrification… where we live in Dublin.
    2. Muslims… er, we don’t know any.
    etc

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