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Tonight.

Outside the offices of the Housing Agency on Mount Street Upper in Dublin 2.

Brendan Ogle, of the Home Sweet Home group, and Minister for Housing Simon Coveney (top) speak to the media after seven hours of talks.

Mr Ogle told reporters the parties agreed not to disclose details of the talks.

Just before Christmas, the High Court ordered that Apollo House, which is being occupied by the HSH group to provide accommodation for rough sleepers, be vacated on Wednesday, January 11.

Meanwhile…

Pic: Rolling news/ Video: Sean Defoe

116 thoughts on “Seven Hours Later

      1. Rob_G

        +1

        I have no doubt that the rest of the HSH people are well-intentioned, nice people – Ogle is an opportunistic @r$ehole.

        Claiming he is worried about homeless people having somewhere warm to sleep this Christmas when just a couple of years ago he was threatening to shut off pensioners’ electricity during one of the coldest winters in decades – there isn’t a bandwagon that that man won’t jump on for a bit of political gain. Fupp him.

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        1. winner

          Rob I don’t recall these threats you wrote about.
          I recall he was a train drivers Union leader.

          Leaving that aside don’t you think it’s the job of a negotiator to negotiate with whatever strengths they have at their disposal?

          Or even if I accept and you can show that he’s a baddie, when did it become impermissible for a negotiator to turn his attention to causes that have no conceivable, real personal gain for him?

          Personally I’ve often got involved in “causes” not because in particular I stand to gain personally from it in any direct way but usually because I like the people involved or am otherwise convinced that their cause is a just one. The gay marriage one being a case in point.

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          1. Frilly Keane

            He had to step down from the ESB

            For mocking the workers behind their backs
            To the Eirigi gang

            Funny thing is
            Ogle loves his gravy

            He is so full of himself
            He turned up in family court assuming his meer imminence would influence the Judge
            Who very swiftly found against his now ex- girlfriend

          2. winner

            What has any of that got to do with the point I raised? Is it not possible for a “bad” man to argue for a “good” cause?

        2. Kieran NYC

          Ogle is a disgusting populist demagogue.

          And of course he’s taking all the money raise by Home Sweet Home to fund his own union.

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    1. Kenny Plank

      The anticipation…

      Maybe they’re planning to withdraw all Glen Hansard recordings in exchange for something?

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  1. steve knievel

    funny to see those awful baddies in msm newstalk reporting on home sweet home and hsh relying on newstalk for updates.

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  2. Anne

    Coveney says he had a good and frank discussion…he musta said he doesnt give a tuppeney fupp about the homeless or the reasons why record numbers of people are being forced into homelessness then.

    4% per annum for the next 3 years for landlords, on top of already record high rents shows who he cares about.

    These sociopathic scroungers on the gravy train in the Dail need to go. And soon.

    The Late Late tonight showed a clip of that other sociopath Michael Noonan talking about the benefit of what Vultures do. They clean up the dead carcass he says..that’s all that’ll be left by the time FG are done with the country.

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      1. Martco

        + €€€€

        also

        this is an exercise in optics management. nothing else.

        Coveney simply wants to avoid ugly scenes down at Apollo House on the day because that’s what matters for himself, his party and his party’s stakeholders. the trough must be kept intact at all costs!

        ugly eviction scenes = international press coverage risk

        they need to manage the issue to fade (just like they seem to have collectively managed with IW to date as time heals very well innit)

        the cycle will be on full spin now to ensure Apollo House issue is boxed into rough sleepers category, can’t have people waking up to the fact they’re working poor and turning up at Leinster House

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        1. Kieran NYC

          “this is an exercise in optics management. nothing else.”

          Optics management?

          Which side co-opted every famous fupper with a guitar and half a brain cell again?

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        1. winner

          Insightful

          Have you nothing useful to contribute?

          You’re one of those
          Mindless commentators
          Who really talk a lot and say nothing except it’s about GAA. Maybe stick to what you know?

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          1. winner

            Winner.

            Kieran you’re another one. Have you nothing better to do over there other than troll drunkenly late at night ( over here) wallowing in the misery
            you correctly chose to leave behind?

        2. Anne

          For such an attention seeking lady of the night you don’t seem to like the celebs using their celebrity to bring attention to good causes at all.

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          1. Anne

            A nicer way of saying hoor. Attention seeking one like.

            What are your views on the homeless crisis and sky rocketing rents and people shacked up in hotels and property moguls buying up everything paying no tax? Any opinions on that? Easier to take a pop at the celebs I suppose.

          2. Billy Kremlim

            Mods can someone abuse another user like this ? Calling them such an abusive name?
            I would hope the user has more respect for women in real life.

          3. winner

            I do like you Anne. You’re quite belligerent at times but what you have to say is often well researched and backed up by relevant links.
            Even if I don’t agree with every point I respect you make the effort to explain where you’re coming from. So many male commentators like classter, reprobertie and Clampers here and in particular this Frilly gobshite “declaim” their points of view as received wisdom from a bully pulpit expecting what I call the humilitariat to lap it all up like good little supplicants. It’s what I call typical paddy peasant communications. Now I’m doing it myself. Sermon over but keep at what you’re doing.

            On the Noonan thing what people forget is one of his man’s first claims to fame was the Bridget Cole story. Look it up. It’s extraordinary that such a man got near any sort of public office again.

          4. winner

            Letter shows State saw Bridget McCole not as the victim but as the enemy

            This impression that the BTSB and the State were conducting totally separate legal strategies was later called into question when on RTE Radio 1, Marian Finucane asked Michael Noonan’s Cabinet colleague Brendan Howlin: “Why was the BTSB allowed to make legal threats to the McCole family when it was known they [the BTSB] had no legal defence?”

            Brendan Howlin said that issue was “handled by government in relation to the advice that was given and the strategies that were taken by the government . . . the Minister at the time and the government made the decision in relation to how these things happen . . .”

            It seems on the basis of yesterday’s revelations that Michael Noonan’s involvement in the pursuit of Mrs McCole was much closer than he indicated to the Dail and more in keeping with what Brendan Howlin told RTE. It is hard to understand why Mr Noonan would have been shown the letter in advance, if not for his approval of its contents. And if his approval was being sought, how could he tell the Dail that “I was not asked for my permission”?

            In a functioning democracy, the word “versus” in the title of the legal case “Bridget Ellen McCole versus the Minister for Health”, setting the interests of a citizen against the interests of her political protector, would have no conceivable meaning. But to a dying and grossly-wronged woman, to her husband and children, its meaning was made all too clear.

            Now that the last big question in this terrible saga has finally been answered, its meaning is clear to the rest of us as well. The simple answer to the question put by the McCole family is that their State saw Bridget Ellen McCole as an enemy. Obvious as that answer now is, its implications remain almost unthinkable.

          5. Frilly Keane

            I have more than an opinion on all that Ann

            I have a professional interest in family home crises

            But I walk my talk

            BTW if Home Sweet F A are all that
            They’d have registered as a VHA
            Last I checked t’was 600 yoyos
            Sur that’s not even a days wages for Ogie Ogie Ogle

          6. Billy Kremlin

            Embarrassing, your pisstake winner alias is being used to back you up now? See it wasn’t as funny as you thought it be Anne, was it?

          7. Kieran NYC

            Anne is one of the most obnoxious commenters I’ve encountered. Don’t worry about her.

            Oh, and “Comments and questions are welcome.

            Racism, sexism, homophobia, misogyny, misandry, libel, abuse, bullying, incitement to hatred and hijacking the usernames of other commenters are not. In fairness.”

            has gone out the window it seems.

            That’s why Listrade was such a breath of fresh air the other day. There used to be more of that. But fighting gets more clicks.

        3. Sheik Yahbouti

          Frilly, the tiny shred of what passes for credibility (by virtue of being featured on a ‘web site ‘) has long since deserted you. I’d knock it on the head meself, your views do not accord with common decency.

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        1. Deluded

          I think that’s fine for business, Kieran.
          If someone wants to speculate in steaks or vodka or a dodgy casino then good luck to them, I don’t have to give them money, but I cannot give up living indoors until “the market” “settles”.
          (businessinsider.com have a delightful piece on a Google employeee who lived in the carpark and saved 90% of his income!
          https://nextcity.org/daily/entry/10-facts-homelessness-2014
          … an emotive intro, sorry, but it has a selection of stats… if you believe half
          of it then it’s still ten-times as bad as Ireland.
          Is this Noonan’s vision?)

          We bulldozed 100,000 unwanted houses with an estimated 150,000 in scattered villages and unfinished estates.
          These are the dead carcasses, in my view. We subverted planning to make enormous profit for boggy fields.
          Then we sold off properties in urban centres because it brought in outside money to help fill the hole.
          If it wasn’t profitable then nobody would bother with us.
          However we should acknowledge and plan for the resultant displacement of people, isn’t that why we’re on the big money?

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          1. Deluded

            Thank you.
            The problem is, beaurocracy gives some people unwarranted importance and tolerates wasters, the free market weeds these out.
            If only there was a balance.

        2. Anne

          Not at all obnoxious KFC. Taking a chance on it? 90% write downs for Vultures on mortgages is some chance to be taking all right.

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          1. Deluded

            Like I said, Anne, outside money had to come in. Only borrowers could outbid the vultures, no use to the economy.

            I think it was possible to cap the rents at the 2007 level, that should service the mortgages from the peak while still offering generous returns for Noonan’s environmental warriors.

          2. Anne

            Yeah understood but re the economy..who’s it supposed to be for working for?

            How’d you mean Noonan’s environmental warriors?

          3. Deluded

            I mispelt “bureaucracy” earlier.
            Anyway, I think “the market” is a massive bureaucracy with armies of lawyers and legions of accountants and lobbyists, tens of thousands of them.
            Trade deals, tax laws, price structuring, the market is the one that interferes.

          4. winner

            Of course. I like to speak in riddles sometimes.

            I’ve been down in the Four Goldmines a few times. What’s striking is how banal and mundane it is. Nothing like on TV. I was so disappointed.

          5. Deluded

            Hi Anne-
            … the “environmental warriors” were the vultures cleaning up the landscape… I presume the argument is that any controls would scare them off.

          6. Frilly Keane

            Well
            If the other party to the mortgage has never paid over a penny
            And Or
            The property secured is flooded
            Poxed with pyrite
            One of the Joint and Severals has
            Done a runner
            Died
            Permanently disabled

            No mortgage protection
            Or buildings insurance
            The freehold sits in a
            Unfinished estate
            With No bus stops
            Schools
            Etc etc

            Bankrupts
            Businesses liquidated
            Etc etc

            It’s all high risk

  3. Frilly Keane

    I’m pissed off about this

    I did a Christmas Message – Urbi et Orbi kinda thing
    “There’s plenty room in the inn”

    But BS wouldn’t run it

    Its a pity
    It would have teed up this story ( and a good half dozen more) perfectly

    Herne and Ogle and Hoosier and Hansard must not be interrupted

    Suckers!

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      1. Anne

        Seriously, are we supposed to ring the psychic hotline to find out more, so we can understand what the giddy fupp you’re on about.

        Something about Rural Ireland..something about Inns..hang on it’s coming to me now…it’s coming…I know.. you must be on about a Christmas Nativity down in rural Ireland.

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    1. Anne

      Clown..delighted they told you p*ss off with your nonsense..again.

      You were turning Fridays from TGIF to Oh Fupp Its Friday.

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        1. Anne

          You’re so special Frilly..so unique, so original.. Keep it cryptic coz it’s a pile of cow poo anyway. Happy New Year.

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    2. rotide

      BS have some sort of submissions standard?

      This comes as pretty massive news. Especially measured against the commentary on this thread in particular.

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        1. winner

          I think that goes without question.

          I just don’t like the sneering that comes from
          People who contribute very little themselves

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          1. mildred st. meadowlark

            A fair point. And I understand what you’re saying.

            For myself, I find the endless snarking and needless finger pointing and name calling a bit wearing. It’s unnecessary.

            But that’s just me. Some people thrive on it.

          2. Goosey Lucy

            Winner, you must be joking!? The vast majority of your responses have been sheer nonsense.
            Many of us choose to read and not comment unless we’ve something worthwhile to say.
            The petty, childish abiding on here earlier made me tune out.
            Quite a few on here need to grow up/ get their h*le depending on how you phrase it!

          3. bertie blenkinsop

            Imagine how many decent contributors have been driven away by the bitching and pettiness all the same.

          4. sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq

            Don’t be barmy Bertie.
            No ‘decent contributor‘ should ever be phazed by petty bickering or unnecessary name-calling, or anyone who calls themselves by more than one name.
            We rise above it.
            Don’t we?

          5. sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq

            The irony of ‘winner’ saying ‘I just don’t like the sneering that comes from
            People who contribute very little themselves
            is most likely lost on ‘winner’.
            It’s by far the funniest thing the loser ever posted.

          6. winner

            Badatmickies drunken rants at 4am are at least as “funny” if you are in pseudo-masochistic soi disant grammatical immolation

          7. winner

            Hello goosey sorry I don’t play by the “rules”

            My persona is an ironic commentator who fails to distinguish between the “good” or “bad” posters here because it may have escaped your notice but in the world of online blogscourse everyone’s a “winner”*

            *In their own tiny little world

            Seeing as you asked though so far what I’ve seen is the only “real” people on here with a shred of integrity are Anne, sheik and that guy who posts occasionally as listrade. The rest …

          8. Happy Molloy

            Maybe no one liked you under your previous moniker and you’re a little bitter?
            If so, don’t be. It’s not that important. Most of us are just taking time out from work and don’t really care as much as the comments would suggest.

          9. Goosey Lucy

            “winner”, no “rules” were mentioned, as I am not playing a game. I like to consider myself to be a “grown up”, so I’m less concerned with knocking over other people’s sand castles than I am about building my own. Or in adult speak: I frankly mostly don’t give a toss for pathetic and fruitless bashing of anonymous personalities on the internet, but you keep on “winning” and developing your “persona” if it amuses you.
            I’ll be honest- I won’t notice either way.
            Have a lovely weekend
            (Not) Lucy

          10. sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq

            Allow me to fix that for you Winalot Dogfood.
            ‘My persona is an ironic commentator who fails.’

            Your ‘memory’ is longer than your residence here.
            Anne you know what else I think?
            – I think you contribute very little, apart from the occasional unintended bit of laughter.
            You’re a howl, with a capital ‘G’.

          11. sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq

            Keep going ‘winner’.
            You’re excellent at making a fool of yourself without assistance.

          12. winner

            Poor Anne isn’t liked by the drunken politburo

            Allow me to correct your contribution badatmickies

            My persona is that of a drunken show-off who as no one will talk to me in the real world have to resort to coming in here occasionally to engage in tongue twisting o’nanism and solo terpsichorean table-tennis

          13. sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq

            Oh dear…
            Someone take that thesaurus away from her, please…
            Before she hurts herself…

          14. winner

            The irony of Goosey saying I won’t notice anything you post then responding directly like a dancing chimp with bunions on her toes to the sound of a circus freak’s tinker bell is the only remotely interesting thing Goosey has ever posted.

            Well no mother

            Goosey = -(winner)

          15. sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq

            ‘winner’, I’d like to go to sleep now if you don’t mind.

            In the meantime, keep hitting yourself.
            I’ll catch up early tomorrow and help you out.

          16. Kieran NYC

            “Comments and questions are welcome.

            Racism, sexism, homophobia, misogyny, misandry, libel, abuse, bullying, incitement to hatred and hijacking the usernames of other commenters are not. In fairness.”

            Ho hum.

      1. mildred st. meadowlark

        Don’t know if I’d go as far as listening to herself now. I happen to like my ears not bleeding.

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  4. Kenny Plank

    Someone has used the term “poignantly”. Always a warning sign of unasked-for stating of the obvious.

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    1. sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq

      Hey Kenny, or can I call you Konrad..?

      Conny Plank died in 1987, before a lot of BS kids were born.
      Don’t get me wrong – I think it’s a good name. I like it.
      – I just think that ...emm…
      – I just think that Holger Cxukay or Damo Suzuki would be funnier.

      Carry on.

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        1. sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq

          Damn, I’d forgotten all about that ex-RTÉ eh… bloke.
          Thanks for reminding me.

          – I owe you one, Mr. Plonker. Thanks for ruining me weekend.

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  5. Joxer

    Jaysus lads whats with all the attacks against each other? The debating quotient around here has taken a serious plummet of late. this place used to be a good read of opposing views, putative solutions, opinions (good or ill depnding on what side of the political spectrum you live on) and the odd bit of humour now its just:
    “fupp you, you troll”
    “yeah well so are you”
    “sap”
    “spa”

    its like the journal

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