85 thoughts on “De Monday Papers

  1. Formerly known as @ireland.com

    Brexit appears to be going well, or not, depending on which paper you read. I don’t understand how the referendum had a yes/no question. Surely, a question asking which one of these 5/10/100 options would you prefer, would have provided certainty. Allowing people to say no to the EU but without specifying what was going to replace it, was silly.

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      1. Daddy

        Yeah, major stink of YFG there.

        You do know Kieran that a large cohort of the so-called “Water Protesters” were only objecting to privatisation, not metering.

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          1. Happy Molloy

            Sorry Anne, I like you and your posts but that’s a crap attitude.

            I’ve noticed it over the last week that every time Kieran posts there are a multitude of responses attacking the poster, rather than the post.

            It’s plain old bullying and intolerance.

          2. jusayinlike

            Harry that’s a standard response from someone who always agrees with Kierans right wing views

          3. Happy Molloy

            actually it’s got nothing to do with views, that’s the point, attack the post and not the poster is the golden rule online, posters here have taken a dislike to Kieran, as per the above, so give him shit no matter what he posts.

            There’s enough echo chambers online, do you need another one?

          4. Kieran NYC

            Ha!

            I’ve actually voted for liberals at every opportunity. I just don’t follow the small, uncritical, rabidly populist, hypocritical, unintellectual, bitter, perpetually angry and negative, trolling lynch mob that has infected Broadsheet in the last couple of years.

            Happy New Year, everybody!

      2. Sheik Yahbouti

        Ah, KFC, that fine Journalist, Gene Kerrigan, was only writing about you yesterday. What a laugh you are.

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  2. Increasing Displacement

    Why are solar farms being built in a country with low solar irradiance?
    What about all that wind and wave off our coast?
    Or the geothermal energy abundant at 150m in many parts of the country?

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    1. Graham F

      Solar has zero to do with irradiance. Power from solar is generated by air velocity. Educate yourself before you comment.

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        1. Graham F

          Yes it is true that both solar and empyreal power are potentially expensive, both offer the potential for significant cost savings in the medium to long term (NOTE: I DID NOT SAY SHORT TERM). However, it does to stand to reason that the capacity for empyreal generated power in Ireland (as in all of northern europe) is very limited. For this reason, I support investment in solar power in Ireland. Indeed the Poolbeg towers are ideally situated and positioned for conversion to a solar power plant. This is something that our so called powers that be need to investigate with passionate urgency.

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      1. rotide

        I’m sorry, what?

        My understanding of Solar power is that it is the conversion of sunlight directly into electricity using a photoelectric cell. Are you trying to say that it is a wind powered system?

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        1. Graham F

          I am not trying to sat anything. I am saying it.

          The clue is in the name – “solar”: “-ar” from the Greek for “air”.

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      2. Happy Molloy

        Looks like you’re gonna have to give us an explainer Graham, or at least link us to a brief, clear and succinct article.

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        1. Graham F

          as I said, please educate yourself before you comment.

          This term is commonly misunderstood, but that’s no excuse. The term “solar” effectively means “the power [or force] of the air”. So go figure.

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          1. Murtles

            Jesus H Christ, this is the funniest thing I’ve seen in a long time, solar power is generated by air velocity? I do hope you’re joking Graham F and don’t also actually think that the earth is flat? How about YOU educate yourself before commenting or even let Google help you along :
            (a) Solar power is the conversion of sunlight into electricity, either directly using photovoltaics (PV)
            (b) Solar : – relating to or determined by the sun (“solar radiation”)
            – relating to or denoting energy derived from the sun’s rays (“solar heating”)

          2. Nigel

            Yeah, I’m thinking it’s less about what the name means – actually derived from Latin, y’know, ‘pertaining to the sun,’ originally – and a bit more about how the process works, otherwise you’re a small town in Lincolnshire. I dub thee Graham Fake News.

          3. Nigel

            You can’t disguise a winner! Unless they’re a winner at disguises! Then they’re so disguised you don’t know they’re winners!

    2. Daisy Chainsaw

      There’s an obsession in Ireland over what other people do with their land. Inherited land goes to an “outsider” who doesn’t want to farm it from 200 miles away so they look into windfarms, forestry, solar farming etc. Some locals get up in arms because “good” land is being wasted on theses schemes, or they’ve had their eye on it for a while in order to buy it. The locals protest about things like the view, setbacks etc, but in most cases it’s begrudgery because they don’t get the land they’ve been waiting to buy while the owner dies.

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      1. Deluded

        I rarely hear that, to be honest.
        Mainly it’s about the lines feeding the network, the visual impact and restrictions on machinery where they run.
        Also, some people are spooked by high voltage/strong magnetic fields. A lady interviewed on RTÉ recently* said they were lied to about the dangers of asbestos, tobacco, leaded petrol etc. and don’t accept industry assurances.

        *this was in relation to pylons for the interconnector with the North.

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        1. Daisy Chainsaw

          I’m over 20 years in Dept of Agriculture and I’ve come across it a fair few times both in phone calls and letters from people who want to stop land being taken out of traditional farming. It starts off as environmental concerns, but usually descends into “they don’t even live here.” and the objector annoyed that they weren’t given the opportunity to buy the land.

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  3. Vote Rep #1

    How do the star (20p) and the express (10p) possibly make money? I realise there is probably about 20 people combined working for them but bloody hell that is cheap.

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    1. Daisy Chainsaw

      They’re not the prices. That’s the discount compared to the other rags in their peergroup. Star is 20p less than the S*n. Express is 10p less than the Daily Fail.

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  4. Old Vic

    I’m watching Phil Hogan on the RTE news then segue to Meryl Streep defying Donald Trump and finally details of U2’s advertisement for a show they’re playing.

    Is it any wonder the country is in the state it is?

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    1. Old Vic

      Prizes for guessing what next story is – someone robbed Kim Kardashian. This isn’t a joke. Noel Gallagher is playing too. That’s the news for the moment.

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          1. Loan Some Cow Boy

            I’d seek the advice of my physician if I was you.

            You may need to have the dosage altered or reduced.

          2. Kieran NYC

            ^ Jesus Christ.

            Is this what Broadsheet has become? That’s the most disgusting comment I’ve ever read on here and that’s saying a lot.

            I feel ill that a human being could say such a thing to another.

        1. Vote Rep #1

          Lots of people like Meryl Streep. My dad thinks she is great. What exact is the point of bring feminists into it? Is there any reason other then you don’t like feminists?

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          1. Loan Some Cow Boy

            something something “feminists” secretly love rapists was I think the gist of it

          2. Sheik Yahbouti

            So far as I can see they don’t even have to be ‘feminists’ – just female – that’s usually enough. :-(

          3. Clampers Outside

            Thanks Deluded, fair enough.

            And if I may, on the subject of me being a hater of women, an accusation i’m sick of, here’s a fantastic woman i do admire for this excellent speech – Anne Marie Waters

            The section on objectivity v subjectivity is brilliant.

          4. Deluded

            I understand.

            I think that you appear to be defending a dominant position and demanding perfection in any challenge to an imperfect system.
            Also, you appear to be blaming feminism for what are actually the strictures* of feminimity and machismo, (aggression, dominance and guile have to be carefully managed. Non-binary, non-sexuality is rejected, we must fit a role).

            *you can only act in the ways that are set, play by the rules

          5. Clampers Outside

            LOL Deluded
            I pointed out an hypocrisy, after that …go for it :)

            “I think that you appear to be defending a dominant position and demanding perfection in any challenge to an imperfect system.”
            From the original comment that could be construed…. yes

            “Also, you appear to be blaming feminism for what are actually the strictures* of feminimity and machismo, (aggression, dominance and guile have to be carefully managed. Non-binary, non-sexuality is rejected, we must fit a role).
            *you can only act in the ways that are set, play by the rules”

            Feminism is a movement, femininity is that female quality of being a woman. I don’t blame feminism for the strictures of being a woman, whether social o otherwise imposed. I don’t reject non-binary, where did ya get that?

            What i do blame feminism for is pursuing “equality” through lies and deception and bank rolling its movement through domestic violence prevention charities from the 60s. And still today, see guest speaker Karen Ingala Smith at SAFE Ireland conference as an example of charities being used for feminist pursuits dressed up as dv prevention. A feminist who describes statistics on male domestic violence victims as “dangerous”. To rally against these problems in feminism is not anti-woman.

          6. Deluded

            Apparently men are now more likely to call the police and for women to be arrested despite the clear disparity in violence and injury.
            Battery and hospitalisation are counted the same as an incidence of a flung potato. Is that why your stats are challenged?

            When I was growing up domestic violence against men was a joke; I’m thinking of Andy Capp in particular but my point is , I couldn’t imagine being beaten by a girl.
            I think that binary view is why men remained silent, nothing to do with feminism.
            In fact, I think you owe a debt of gratitude to feminism for carving out a safe space where you can talk about your feelings. I don’t remember any of this from the GAA or Macra na Feirme.
            When are you going to stop obsessing about feminism and face the real challenge?

          7. Clampers Outside!

            “Apparently men are now more likely to call the police and for women to be arrested despite the clear disparity in violence and injury.”
            Yes, men are more likely today. But it is still running at 1 out of 20 men will call for help when needed. So yes, it was worse in the past, but 1 in 20 is still way behind women’s 1 in 3 will call for help.

            Women being arrested is fairly new, and will continue. We don’t have stats in Ireland. But on introducing a correction to the Duluth Model of intervention in England and Wales saw an almost instant increase in arrests of women and reports by men.
            That would also count as an example where feminism held men back through the Duluth Model – something men do not have to be thankful to feminism for, thanks very much, but grateful for an end to feminist influence so that they can speak without accusation.

            “Battery and hospitalisation are counted the same as an incidence of a flung potato. Is that why your stats are challenged?”
            Seriously Deluded… what are you asking me to respond to here….
            Incidences of death run in the UK at 1 woman every 3 days, and 1 man every 12, or 1 in 4 deaths are male. Something that has until recently in the UK been ignored because of feminism’s insistence on the Duluth Model. This is changing.
            Incidences of ‘domestic abuse’ run at 50:50 M/F perpetration; and ‘reciprocal violence’ in ‘domestic violence’ incidences are prevalent in 70% cases.
            The stats (50:50 and 70%) above can be found similarly across New Zealand, Australia, UK, Canada and the USA… we’re a bit behind on stats collection and the detail in that in this country. This too is changing. Not because of feminism, but after years of pressure on feminism.
            The current push for gender inclusive campaigning did not come from feminism, feminism fought to prevent that happening, so that’s another thing we do not have to be ‘thankful’ to feminism for.

            Feminism, and its patriarchy theory and the Duluth Model set back DV intervention methods decades, and it did so intentionally. Nothing to be thankful to feminism for in that, in all truth and fairness.


            “When I was growing up domestic violence against men was a joke; I’m thinking of Andy Capp in particular but my point is , I couldn’t imagine being beaten by a girl.
            I think that binary view is why men remained silent, nothing to do with feminism.”
            Agreed that that is how we as men were brought up. And that too was copper fastened by feminism’s ‘patriarchy’ theory from the 60s which include my growing up time. Nothing to be grateful to feminism for there.

            “In fact, I think you owe a debt of gratitude to feminism for carving out a safe space where you can talk about your feelings.” I’m sorry but I owe the three counselors that told me I displayed symptoms of Stockholm Syndrome after my last relationship with a nut job feminist, and abuser.
            I don’t owe feminism anything for me finding my voice about my own feelings. Thanks, I owe the counselors I paid well, I owe myself for putting my faith in them, and I owe the aftercare group that encouraged me to seek one to one counseling in the first place. I owe feminism nothing for my ability to speak about my own feelings, thank you.

            ” I don’t remember any of this from the GAA or Macra na Feirme.”
            I’m sure no one would.

            “When are you going to stop obsessing about feminism and face the real challenge?”
            When feminism stops spreading lies and hate and when feminism stops spreading ideological fantasies as factual.

            Some examples of feminist bullpoo that needs to end…
            The empathy gap is the biggest gap of all – For example, the very fact that a girlfriend stabbing her boyfriend over a bag of chips gets chortles from BBC radio presenters live on SKY TV
            ( http://stage.news.sky.com/video/liz-kershaw-and-michael-booker-delve-into-the-morning-papers-10720467 the story and giggling commences at 5m30 )
            I say this is feminist because you can go on many feminist websites and see posts of ‘go girl’ to videos of violence against men. Attitudes promoted by feminists through slogans like ‘fupp the patriarchy’ – a slogan sounded very often by speakers at the recent SAFEIreland conference run by feminist organisation… SAFEIreland.
            A common example of what needs to be done to change attitudes, attitudes that were not just a result of old binary attitudes but attitudes also promoted by feminists in the past. Some further examples include this from the Observer last week – https://twitter.com/drsue2014/status/818249117801607168
            Here’s another pile of nonsense that feminism promotes – no such thing as ‘fake rape’ claims… they’re rare as hen’s teeth… em, no, they are not. And they are growing in number because young women are emboldened by the ‘no consequences’ for making accusations – https://twitter.com/Swashbuck77/status/818450426349527041

            Let’s not forget the attempts by feminists to reframe the conversation around domestic violence perpetrated by women, when they tried to call it a ‘new’ phenomenon – Can’t find a link right now… you’ll hopefully take my word on that. An attempt by feminism to maintain it’s patriarchal accusation.

            Feminism as long as it lies to protect itself will always have problems, but please do not pretend to tell me that I owe feminism a debt of gratitude for giving me a place to be able to speak about my feelings – that’s pure unadulterated feminist propagandizing based on zero evidence…. and you are normally so much better than that Deluded.

            Some random stuff…

            – Don’t even get me started on the Istanbul Convention….
            – In the UK girls are getting into college in bigger numbers than boys for years, and by a margin of 35% today, yet a grant to ‘get girls to college’ of £1/2M was granted last week, and nothing was offered to the cohort of young students who have the least chance of gaining access to college. Feminism is about ‘equality’ they say? Really? Seriously? You believe that ballhawks do you?

            That’s terrible sad.

            So, to sum up, as long as feminism continues to fight with misinformation and lies, then I’ll just have to continue knocking it until it stops.

            And when done. I want every single feminist organisation on the planet to kiss the ass of the founder of the first refuge centre in the world, and writer of the first book on domestic violence, and I want all feminists to collectively apologise to that person, for the behaviour of the feminists in the 60s who tried to burn her out of her home and forced her to move to Canada for fear of her life… why did they do that… because this person, a woman, Erin Pizzey, wanted to approach the handling of domestic violence in a manner that saw the truth about domestic abusers, that truth being that men and women are abusers in equal measure, the difference is in the consequences when the abuse turns to violence (70% of which is reciprocal), where today 1 in 4 deaths are male and are ignored.

            I could go on…. In a nutshell, modern feminism needs to start getting honest with itself; get some self awareness; lose the ideology so that it can think straight; understand that gender is not wholly a social construct; learn about biology instead of denying it has any role; and ditch the hate rhetoric…. if I am to stop poking it with a stick.

            Have a nice evening Deluded

            ( Many stats are from other countries because there are no stats available in Ireland, plus the reach of feminist propaganda knows no borders )

          8. Clampers Outside

            I believe it has to do with many things… but in a word, empathy, or lack of. Some part of how I came to that would be…

            The narrative started by Erin Pizzey was over taken silenced and the dominant narrative to follow was that of feminism which sold the idea of ‘patriarchy’ being responsible for domestic violence – men are always the perp; women are always the innocent victim.
            This lead to an ’empathy’ monopoly. It was easily sold, as it played to an easily created and believable (and real) stereotype of DV, and other the other side, played to the human and civil nature to protect a woman from an evil perp – women and children first etc.

            I have heard Ms Pizzey speak of this monopoly on empathy and difficulty in raising money and the reasons why, for her ‘inclusive’ shelter which would have included men….

            That’s one reason…

          9. Clampers Outside

            SCUM thing is just whackos on the extreme end of things, their equivalent in men might be MGTOW, although MGTOW don’t blame women for the proble…

            aaarrghh….. they’re both numpty groups ! leave it at that :)

          10. Deluded

            …”empathy monopoly” sounds wacko, Clampers.
            (I agree with many of your concerns regarding men, by-the-way)

          11. Clampers Outside

            Yeah. Men were different in how they were in the 80s, and now…. and so on… as are women different, we all are in our interactions with each other.

            There’s a study on the capacity between men and women for caring, and the study found that men and women express their empathy differently. Women tend to express empathy among those they know, where as men express theirs through more random acts with strangers.

            This might mean that it is easier for women to form empathy groups, and less so for men.

            …can’t find the damn study…. fupp, maybe an internet fairy will drop a link in… :)

          12. Clampers Outside

            How I understood it, is that the “empathy monopoly” would only be applicable to the situation of DV.
            The empathy can only go two ways, towards the man or the woman, so once the population was convinced of the narrative… men were always the perp; women the victim, then there is no more room for empathy towards a male victim because the narrative said there is no such thing…. and that’s still believed today, less so, but the shift is still quite recent.

          13. Deluded

            Codswallop. Men were founding charities and caring for people since forever. Men wrote the book on it, apparently, we used to hear about it every Sunday.
            Where were the battered men?

  5. Kenny Plank

    Female White Privilege slags off Male White Privilege.

    Forget about Meryl Streep. It’s the Irish Times every single day.

    And the opposite of binary position narratives isn’t nuance. It’s “whataboutery”.

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