Alternative Accommodation

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Citizen Whinger tweetz:

The filthy alternative accommodation offered to Apollo House inmates by Simon Coveney and co. If Fine Gael find it acceptable then house swap?

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37 thoughts on “Alternative Accommodation

  1. eric cartman

    Its other homeless people causing the damage to these hostels and leaving syringes / cans / whatever around the place. We have an addiction crisis, we cannot possibly provide robust homeless services without a detox program and accepting that we should not be helping addicts who do not agree to get clean. The junkies and alchos who don’t want to get clean just make the hostels unsafe for other homeless people and perpetuate the problem.

    1. in response

      but the government and judiciary are saying that what exists in it’s current state is good enough while ordering people to leave an empty building in favour of the kind of accommodation depicted

      the long term solutions will require a plan that transcends election cycles and ballot box politics – the short term triage of a crisis deserves to not be callously undone by those who live in comfort

    1. Taanbuaagam

      And so they should be. At least they are willing to do something positive about their own situation

  2. Starina

    scarlet for the govt for offering such miserable, unsanitary accomodation; if this was privately rented, the PRTB would be on top of them, but because it’s shelter the govt thinks they can just throw out any old dross and people will be grateful.

      1. Starina

        sure but they’d at least be accountable to *someone*. but currently the govt is answerable to no-one and can spin anyone who refuses such accomodation as a gouger with notions.

      2. Cian

        (P)RTB aren’t responsible for minimum standards. it is the councils who (should) do that. RTB provide some of the money collected from the registration to the councils to inspect the premises.

  3. DubLoony

    That is gross. No, its not good enough.
    If someone is trying to get clean & live drug free this would send them right back to the brink.

    We need safe injecting rooms now to take away the drug detritus.

    1. Clampers Outside!

      ” If someone is trying to get clean & live drug free this would send them right back to the brink. ”
      It’s not a detox centre, it’s not and never was intended to be one, it’s an emergency homeless centre, and no, the two are not compatible.

      Please don’t mix up detox facilities where people go to get clean, with emergency homeless accommodation which is what this is.

        1. Cian

          To much to ask from whom? The homeless? or the people who work with the homeless?

          Who is making the place filthy? Who is leaving needles around? It’s not Simon Coveney, and it’s not Fine Gael.

          If safe, clean accommodation is provided, and that is abused and made filthy and unsafe what do propose we do? Spend millions cleaning up after the same people day-in day-out?

          1. Nigel

            Whatever you do, waiting until you’re in the midst of the existing services being utterly overwhelmed by an historically unprecedented crisis isn’t the right way to go about. This is the existing system breaking down under pressure. It’s scandalous, but it’s only part of the greater scandal.

  4. Junkface

    Irelands war on drugs is a total failure. Time to study what the Portuguese have done and implement that.
    They are disgusting conditions to expect people who want to live cleanly to accept. I hate needles!

  5. Nikkeboentje

    So, we should let alcohol and drug abusers sleep on the street and only offer shelter to people who are clean and tidy?

    It is not the government’s fault that some residents in wet shelters are causing damage and not respecting the accommodation and other residents. When will people acknowledge that there is also a need for personal responsibility. It’s not “always” the government’s fault.

    1. Clampers Outside!

      A ‘wet shelter’ is a shelter for alcoholics who are allowed to continue drinking. This was an emergency accommodation shelter. The two are quite different, and one is normally a ‘resident’ of a wet shelter for periods of six months plus, and permanent residency is possible in wet shelters. None of that long term or residency is available from emergency homeless accommodation.

      Just sayin’ like…

      Sundial House on James’ Street is a wet shelter with permanent residents; BRÚ on Thomas St/James’ St which featured on here in Dec 2015 is an emergency homeless shelter with most residents queue each day to get accommodation for the night.

  6. Andrew

    Here’s an idea.Get out a dustpan and brush and clean the place up yourself. Be grateful you have a place and then concentrate on getting out of it, by getting a job and paying for your own accommodation.

        1. Nigel

          Not really. Or rather, he’s rather deliberately missing the point being made in order to, of all things, have a go at homeless people. Can you imagine? What a weirdly deficient personality you’d have to have to make fun of homeless people?

          1. Nigel

            Responding to photos of needles and kicked-in walls with ‘get a dust-pan’ and to an overwhelming homeless crisis with ‘get a job’ is taking the mickey. There wasn’t a fraction of encouragement in anything he said.

          2. Clampers Outside!

            Nigel, ever been in a managed homeless shelter before, of any type?

            I would hazard a guess you haven’t… if you are shocked by these needle pics, and think ‘get a dustpan’ is somehow outrageous. But I may be wrong, it just seems an odd reaction, if you are familiar with any Dublin city emergency shelters. But that’s just IMO.

          3. Nigel

            Yeah, telling people to ‘get a dustpan’ is a reasonable response to the current housing crisis and an appropriate response to complaints about conditions in hostels. Brilliant.

          4. Taanbuaagam

            He did not say anything about ‘get a job’. He said why don’t you give the place an oul clean there yourself instead of going online and whinging.

          5. Nigel

            He did, if you read to the end of his comment. The complaints speak to serious systemic problems, ‘Get a dust-pan’ is deeply patronising.

          6. Taanbuaagam

            Yea after he suggested the guy circle his wagons and count his blessings. It’s the coldest night of the year. Seems sound enough counsel to me. Gowan outta that with your “deeply patronising” mush.

        1. mildred st. meadowlark

          I’m sorry Andrew but it’s akin to burying your head in the sand saying that there isn’t a housing crisis in this country; one that has resulted in families being made homeless, and looks likely to only get worse before it gets better.

          And as regards your previous comment, the point being made by HSH is that the accommodation being offered is neither safe nor an acceptable replacement to the set up in Apollo house, which is what people were promised.

          Perhaps there ought to be an element of personal responsibility, I’m not arguing that. But this is about the fact that the government was unable to provide appropriate accommodation for the people in Apollo House.

          1. Clampers Outside!

            This, and nothing else needed to be said – “the accommodation being offered is… [not] ….what people were promised.”

            Coveney reneged on a ‘promise’ and was caught, so people returned to Apollo. That’s it.

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