This morning.

Fine Gael Councillor, Brian Murphy commenting on the Economist facebook page regarding the book, The Strange Death of Europe.

Ronan writes:

I broke my own rule about reading the comment section and found a FG councillor calling muslims ‘barbarians’ on an Economist Facebook post about the Douglas Murray book ‘The Strange Death of Europe’. The book essentially says Muslims have no place in Europe, the Guardian described it as  gentrified xenophobia’. Anyway, enjoy the photos!

Previously: The Traveller Card

183 thoughts on “Barbarians

  1. Daisy Chainsaw

    Another coward who’ll drop and face Mecca at the first sign of a forced conversion! Praise Alan!

  2. delacaravanio

    Interestingly Brian Murphy was special advisor to Leo Varadkar a few years ago. According to the Journal, “Murphy was hired by Varadkar in 2011 when the Transport Minister offered him a salary of almost €106,000. He is a former special adviser to ex-Fine Gael MEP and presidential candidate Gay Mitchell.”

    Are they the same person? After all, Brian Murphy is a common name. Answers on a postcard.

  3. milo

    No, he is referencing a well known book and movie title to make a metaphorical point. (Even using capital B which Ronan drops). But, lets hang him in the name of virtue? Well done BS and Ronan. Not much gets by you. Leo should hire you to go after the dole scroungers.

    1. cluster

      Nonsense, ‘barbarians at the gate’ refers to hordes of ‘primitive’ people who overran the Roman empire.

      The book/film you mention refers to unprincipled, greedy businesses who ‘overran’ decent businesses using leveraged buyouts and then asset-stripped them.

      So yes, either way, Mr Murphy here does deserve the condemnation.

      1. Milo

        My point was that it was metaphorical. But I don’t want to deprive you of the offence you crave in order to dispense your condemnation.

        1. AnAccountant

          All you’ve been doing today is telling everyone how offended you are by everything.

          1. Milo

            I have never once said I was offended by anything. It’s not a currency I trade in. Sad to see you graduate from insults to downright lies.

        2. classter

          I’m not sure why it being ‘metaphorical’ changes the accusation in any way.

          What is the significant distinction between metaphorically or literally generalising huge numbers of people from one religion as ‘barbarians’?

  4. AnAccountant

    It’s quite sad to see Irish people speak like this about Muslims, or anyone. You couldn’t have a great understanding of the history of our people if you’re prepared to speak about Muslims like that. And Douglas Murray is a con artist. Himself and Sam Harris are just well spoken racists but people seem to confuse Harris’ dead pan delivery and Murray’s accent for intellect.

    1. Sheik Yahbouti

      Sad days indeed. personally, I disapprove of all religion, but I approve of people (mostly). Does that make sense. I partially agree that ‘multiculturalism’ has been a bit of a flop, that message comes from us. We are content to ignore Irish ghettoes in the UK and the US, and refuse to acknowledge the English colonisation of “the costas”, and France and Tuscany. Apparently this is a GOOD refusal to assimilate.

      1. AnAccountant

        I don’t really have any issues with people assimilating or not. I like good, happy people. Whether or not you believe Muhammad is a profit of a God or you like to wear bright and ostentatious dresses that Nigerians have as traditional dress for men, if you’re a good person, that’s all that matters.

        1. Bertie "the inexplicable pleasure" Blenkinsop

          I like the fact that An Accountant called Muhammad a “profit” :)

          1. AnAccountant

            Ah Jayzus! I guess that’s why I’m an accountant and not a word writing person.

        2. Gabby

          AnAccountant, being a bean counter, could talk about the Supreme Bean, instead of a Profit of a God.

          1. AnAccountant

            Dang. All this time and I’ve never thought about accounting puns. I’ve wasted years. YEARS!

      2. newsjustin

        Saying “personally, I dissaprove of all religion” is like saying “I don’t like art”

          1. newsjustin

            It’s just extraordinarily broad and vague. So there’s no aspect of any religious thought that you can approve of? (Question for Sheik)

          2. Sheik Yahbouti

            No, newsjustin. It was a plain and simple statement, easily understood. Not that it matters but I like some art, not all art. Simple enough?

          3. AnAccountant

            Religion and art are very different concepts. Religion is a set of rules on how people are supposed to think and it promotes faith which, in turn, discourages critical thought. It is a reasonable position to take; disapproving of religion. That is a different thing to saying you personally aren’t interested in acts of expression.

          1. Hawkeyed

            ” Religion is a set of rules on how people are supposed to think and it promotes faith which, in turn, discourages critical thought”
            Acquinas must be turning in his grave.

        1. Cian

          Not really. The only difference between an Atheist and a Theist is that the atheist doesn’t believe in one extra religion.

          A Christian thinks 4,182 religions are bunk; an atheist 4,183.

          1. :-Joe

            Haha.. good point….

            The fine language of mathematics will always show you the way..

            :-J

    2. cluster

      I couldn’t agree more on Douglas Murray.

      Someone I respected recommended him to me. I have rarely been so let down by such a recommendation.

      Once you move past the polished accent and skilled use of rhetoric, there is nothing there.

  5. Eamonn Clancy

    Muslims are very welcome, however the medieval beliefs of how gays and women should be treated must be banished. Islam is not compatible with our society.

        1. AnAccountant

          Once Christianity drops its archaic, oppressive and just downright weird views towards women and gays, it’ll be alright.

          1. RiderOnTheStorm

            ….unlike Islamic views towards women ……….such as it’s stonings, female genital mutilation, female circumcision, not allowing women to drive, acid attacks etc.

          2. AnAccountant

            Female genital mutilations are very prevalent in Christian countries in Africa. Not a Muslim thing. Women can drive in Turkey and Indonesia and every Muslim county apart from SA and those other oil rich kingdoms. Not a Muslim thing. Acid attacks have been perpetrated by lots of white christians. Not a Muslim thing.

          3. RiderOnTheStorm

            Views of Christians towards women and gays are ……. (fill in the blanks) unlike the views of your Islamo-fascist pals in ISIS

      1. Clampers Outside

        “Then neither is Christianity”

        Hey stupid! You live in a judeo-christian society… whether you like it or not or whether you acknowledge it (like so many regressive leftists) or not

        just sayin’,

        1. I'm "alright" Jack. Mad Jack is on annual leave.

          I don’t. I live in a civil society where a large number of people with Judeo Christian outlook also reside.

          1. I'm "alright" Jack. Mad Jack is on annual leave.

            How is that nonsense? Have you not even one argument to foster besides some idiotic smear about perceived “leftists”? Oh no the bogeyman is under the bed!

          2. Clampers Outside

            Its not just about the “now”.

            Societies take decades, and hundreds of years of built upon societal norms.
            Speaking about society in just a today/now context, is far too simplistic, and a nonsense IMO

          3. I'm "alright" Jack. Mad Jack is on annual leave.

            Is there some point there? Because overall if you’re taking a long term view the civil society here is becoming ever more secular and plural

    1. LW

      Did you see the letter from the Christian gentleman earlier expressing his opinion surrounding homosexuality? Is he compatible with our society?

      1. Clampers Outside

        He is. He’s allowed think and say what he wants in a free society.

        Think of someone who thinks the opposite of him, and put him in a not free society like Saudi Arabia, and watch the clock tick until he’s beheaded for blasphemy.

        Tolerant society, and Islamist societies are not the same. Stop pretending they are.

    2. cluster

      @Eamonn Clancy

      We live in a liberal society.

      We should not accept the mistreatment of women or gays but that does not mean that we can police the thoughts of others.

      Also, from my own anecdotal experience, Muslims absolutely do not share identical, monolithic views on women or gays

      1. Yep

        Of course it means we can “police the thoughts of others” if those thoughts lead to mistreatment.

        Nonsense statement.

        1. Clampers Outside

          No, we cannot, and should not, police thought in a free society. in a free society the stupid ideas can be discussed and shown to be stupid, that’s the point of free speech, init.

          1. Clampers Outside

            Not sure where you are going with your extreme examples which of course would be curtailed because the activities are illegal.
            Can u explain what you meant… (I’m not being funny, don’t get the third one)

          2. Yep

            The third was meant to be United supporters. I was trying to be funny.

            The extreme examples are the point.

          3. classter

            There’s a big difference between policing thoughts and policing associated actions.

            So you can think whatever paedophile thoughts you wish, you can even state that you are a paedophile but you can’t legally act on those impulses.

    3. cluster

      @Eamonn Clancy

      What you just did there is similar to something I have noted in lots of lazy, anti-Islamic Western thinkers (eg Douglas Murray).

      Even if you accept that our society has a genuine problem in that some religious groups may have archaic & distasteful attitudes on various subjects, then you have to decide how to effectively deal with such views.

      Merely insulting all Muslims in one fell swoop and pretending that you’re gonna ‘keep them out’ doesn’t work. It didn’t work in the past and it is not going to work now.

      1. Yep

        “It didn’t work in the past and it is not going to work now.”…What are you even talking about?

  6. hans landa

    The Trojan horse has well and truly been pulled into Europe and we will pay for it with our freedom. Off to seek asylum in Poland or Hungary where they are not too fond of diluting their culture

    1. bisted

      …for the day that’s in it hans, you remind me of one of rabid bigots in Ulysses – Mr Deasy. Mr Deasy thought it was a great joke to state that the reason why Ireland didn’t persecute the Jews was because ‘she didn’t let them in’….

      1. hans landa

        Don’t worry, I’ll be closing the door firmly behind me and sealing it shut. You can deal with the sharia ‘courts’ and all that goes with it. Nastrovje

          1. hans landa

            No pcp required. The UK government for example acknowledges the existence of 30 sharia councils. The same exist all over mainland Europe. These courts promote female genital mutilation, arranged marriages, honour killings and all the rest of it

          2. Clampers Outside

            Are the links good enough Cluster?

            The Guardian is there which is the leftist Bible at this point it has become so lop sided and unbalanced as a news source.

            But I understand that so long as it leans left not right, it’s credible. Isn’t that the rule or at least the unwritten rule around here, and most of the media on or offline… leaning left means still credible, leaning right is automatically discredited.

            Would you agree… and it’s not just media, just look at how far left the SPLC is going and still remains credible to many foolish gullible people…

          3. Clampers Outside

            Fair play Hans, there are a lot of deniers of any problems with Islam on this site who will attack Christianity and Judaism without a second thought.
            Heck some even deny they are even living in a Judeo-Christian society their delusions are so whacked out.

            But you’ll idiotically* get called racist if you say anything bad about Islam.

            Damn them, the deluded loons.

            (*Islam is not a race)

        1. Cian

          Do you realise that a sharia ‘court’ is just somewhere that two parties go where both agree to adhere to the judgment?
          They have no legal standing.
          They are no different than two people agreeing to go to a mediator to resolve an issue.

    2. Rob Hunt

      I hope the irony of your wanting to emigrate to countries because of their distaste for immigrants is not lost on you.

    3. I'm "alright" Jack. Mad Jack is on annual leave.

      Is this a Macedonian horse, an Arab horse or someo Connemara Pony or other?

    1. ReproBertie

      In saying that the European political class, of which is a member, are guilty of gross negligence towards their own citizens? A fine confession so.

  7. Ross

    More rubbish from BS. People quoting the Guardian for an balanced review of Sam Harris and Douglas Murray’s work. The Guardian is utter drivel. BS is just part of a small but vocal liberal Dublin media/arts clique who know little or nothing about Islam and the Muslim community in Europe and Ireland. Your heads will be first on the block when the executioner comes to rid the land of shirk and kufr. Islam is incompatible with western society. Muslims especially among immigrant groups make little or no effort to integrate. They don’t drink, they don’t socialise with us, they don’t eat in many of the same restaurants, they don’t intermarry, they don’t have non-muslims over to their houses, they don’t holiday with us. All sounds pretty trivial but when a group of people doesn’t engage in any of these things there is no possibility of them assimilating and becoming Irish.

    1. AnAccountant

      “Muslims especially among immigrant groups make little or no effort to integrate”

      Neither do goths

      “They don’t drink, they don’t socialise with us, they don’t eat in many of the same restaurants, they don’t intermarry, they don’t have non-muslims over to their houses, they don’t holiday with us.”

      So basically, you’re personally affronted because they’ve no interest in being your friend.

      1. Milo

        would you deal with his very well made points? Or will you attack him for making them? Always the second with you.

          1. Milo

            No you didn’t. You have an entirely predictable snide response b And what tantrum? Why the need to go ad hominem?

          2. AnAccountant

            Hold on, in that other thread all you’ve been engaging in is ad hom attacks and now you’re accusing others of it? Ok mate.

          1. Yep

            Breitbart is absolute muck. Doesn’t mean everything they report is untrue. Maybe do a little research. No-go may seem hyberbolic but there are areas that are left alone by the wider society of Sweden.

            It doesn’t help integration is the point.

          2. Clampers Outside

            You’re quiet on this. Are until denying sex assault epidemic on Germany?

            Latest figures show a 500% rise…. what will you say to dismiss the problem now, eh…..

            I’d give you a link, but it’s In German abd from official sources, so you’d probably deny its credibility…. :/

          3. LW

            Clampers I love when you get so worked up you can’t type. It’s also nice you found a friend in Milo. Where’s this official link in German? Google translate will work as well for us as for you

        1. AnAccountant

          I think someone has been listening to weird English shut ins who think they’re journalists on Youtube.

      2. hans landa

        ….or the french minister who had to stage a walkabout in a ‘no go’ area for women of Paris

      3. Ross

        Yeah I knew some dope would dismiss those things as unimportant. My point is they won’t become friends with anybody in Irish society because they don’t engage in it. Goths aren’t an ever increasing number in our society who are demanding special rights and want their own form of law to apply to them. They don’t believe homosexuality is a sin and they don’t agree with child marriage among MANY other abhorrent things. It’s funny when people like you think they’re making a great point but use false analogies because they actually don’t understand much beyond the surface of the argument. Nice try though.

        Also another dope who thinks he’s being smart asks ‘what do you mean becoming Irish?’ You know well what I mean. You would have learned about it in your history books when the Normans became ‘more Irish than the Irish themselves’. It means engaging in Irish culture or the Irish way of life and considering yourself Irish. You can bring up hypothetical examples of individual Irish people who don’t fit those norms necessarily but again that’s a false equivalence so I’ll save you the hassle of doing that by pointing it out.

        1. AnAccountant

          “My point is they won’t become friends with anybody in Irish society because they don’t engage in it.”

          So? Goths don’t want to be friends with anyone.

          “Goths aren’t an ever increasing number in our society”

          How do you know?

          “demanding special rights and want their own form of law to apply to them”

          You mean like Catholics.

          “They don’t believe homosexuality is a sin”

          Catholics do.

          “they don’t agree with child marriage”

          Neither do Muslims. Jerry Lewis married his 13 year old cousin in God fearing southern America.

          Poor effort.

          1. Ross

            Right so none of your points actually address the issues I raised. Another example of somebody who doesn’t really know what they’re talking about and thinks that they’ve made brilliant points. Unfortunately you have shown just how little you know about muslims and Islam with your last point. I’ll leave you to figure out why.

          2. AnAccountant

            So I easily batted away all of your points but instead of acknowledging the errors of your ways, you basically put your fingers in your eyes and shout ‘Lalalala. I can’t hear you.’ because, of course, your feelings about Muslims aren’t rational or logical. They’re just feelings and you won’t let a little thing like reality tell you that you’re wrong.

          3. Ross

            How old are you? If you think you’ve batted off my points easily you’re an idiot. Your arguing is so facile that it’s obvious there’s no point in getting into it any further.

        2. I'm "alright" Jack. Mad Jack is on annual leave.

          No – I asked you what do YOU mean?
          I note your answer included references to the Normans, a hostile and brutal, foreign invading force who enslaved most of the eastern seaboard. Sorry, what was your point again?

          1. Hans Landa

            You know what he means, I know what he means and the dogs in the street know it as well. More importantly, we know what it’s not.

          2. I'm "alright" Jack. Mad Jack is on annual leave.

            The dogs in the street eh? I hope they’re Irish wolfhounds and not those German Shepherds

          3. Hans Landa

            No issue with German Shepherds, French Poodles, British Bulldogs, Spanish Mastiffs. It’s the Persian Greyhounds you need to watch

    2. cluster

      ‘ They don’t drink, they don’t socialise with us, they don’t eat in many of the same restaurants, they don’t intermarry, they don’t have non-muslims over to their houses, they don’t holiday with us.’

      This (apart from not drinking) is nonsense. I have Irish Muslim friends who have done all of the above.

      Many immigrants to Ireland don’t drink like we generally do. That doesn’t stop them being a welcome addition to our country.

      1. Ross

        I forgot that the few exceptions where individuals have integrated mean that the generalisation isn’t true.

    3. cluster

      It is probably true that first-generation immigrants, especially those that arrive as adults, tend not to integrate into the ‘host’ society completely – traditionally it was true of many Irish/Italians/Germans/English who went elsewhere.

      The question is how do we make sure that they can do so and that their children (and their children) can have a genuine stake and involvement in our society.

      Stereotyping groups of immigrants and being univerally nasty about them is hardly likely to faciltiate integration, is it?

      1. Hans Landa

        This is a well made point. There are failures on all sides when it comes to successful integration. You mention other European immigrants. Typically they went to other countries that had similar cultures and social norms so it is far easier to integrate. This is one of the reasons why Muslim integration lags behind. The culture gap is far too wide to bridge.

      2. Ross

        There have been a number of recent reports and studies in the UK and Germany that have found the Muslim community lags way behind in assimilation and integration

  8. Daisy Chainsaw

    “They don’t drink, they don’t socialise with us, they don’t eat in many of the same restaurants, they don’t intermarry, they don’t have non-muslims over to their houses, they don’t holiday with us.”

    Sounds like the little Englanders in Spain.

    1. Ross

      Which is also wrong. They might misbehave but they don’t engage in barbaric cultural practices and try to enforce sharia law.

  9. Yep

    I actually just finished listening to that book. Worth your time. It’s not a rabid attack on Muslims by any means.

      1. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

        Why so snotty? Audiobooks are perfectly cromulent. I prefer listening to audiobooks when it’s non-fiction, usually.

        1. AnAccountant

          I think if you’re prepared to further racist lies about Muslims, you can have your anonymous internet account take a bit of snottiness. Bonus points for use of cromulent.

          1. Ross

            The childish arguments brought by you ‘AnAccountant’ are more worthy of derision than somebody listening to an audiobook. Bringing Goths into the argument is easily one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. At least the person who listened to the audiobook has got the information and made a judgement, unlike you who has made a judgement without having read it. You’re way out of your depth.

          2. Yep

            Oh Moyest, I listen to books in work. I could take a dig but won’t.

            It is worth a read. Murray is well travelled and educated on the immigration crisis. Watch any of his debates. Show me where he is bettered.

            You may not agree with his opinion but he is forming it from facts. Maybe give it a go…

    1. LW

      You crathur, you’ve hardly slept a day worrying about Sweden. Remember the time you made out they’d legalised child marriage? Oh how we laughed

        1. LW

          Ohhhh sorry, I didn’t realise you were making a distinction between legally allowing it, and legalising it. There’s that damn leftie vagueness you decry in action again. Of course, that was another claim you made which was categorically wrong after all, but sure look, why break the habit of a lifetime

      1. Clampers Outside

        Please explain the “slept a day” bit. You’re talking in riddles and made up nonsense pet.
        Not everyone knows what’s going in that tiny head of yours.

        Spit it out, speak clearly or put a plug in it, good lad

      2. Clampers Outside

        Are you still denying the sex assault problem with a 500% increase in Germany….

        …still making excuses, care to tell those who have been assaulted that it’s a myth, and racist….

        Keep on denying the truth about sexual assault, and keep your head in the sand…. you can’t see much anyway

        1. LW

          Clampers are you still denying my car keys aren’t where I left them?! Because that’s another topic introduced out of nowhere, with nothing to back it up. Until you admit the massive rise in my car keys being missing, or perhaps provide a link to support your latest ejaculation, we can progress no further with this

          1. Yep

            But you DO acknowledge the stats are there for the rise in sexual assualt?

            Car key report won’t be finished till August next year. No point in discussing it till the data is worked over.

          2. LW

            I don’t acknowledge anything, I googled his “500% rise in sexual assaults in Germany” in a variety of ways, and came with nothing. I looked at the Eurostat figures, and they showed a decrease in both absolute numbers of sexual assaults and rape, and also incidents per 100000 of population. Clampers has a long track record of making wild assertions with absolutely nothing to back them up, to the point where I feel I can now safely believe the opposite or whatever he says.
            I’d also like to point out that he opened the bidding, with two separate commenters, asking them if they denied these things in Germany, apropos of absolutely nothing. How someone can be denying something they weren’t talking about is beyond me, but he had the bit between his teeth at that stage

          3. LW

            Nigel please, have you any reputable sources, something from blogspot maybe, or a Geocities site

  10. dailywail

    Let us have a debate . Let us call out the bigots but let us also be informed . Anaccountant , you are not the man for that job. Leave it to Listrade .

  11. Clampers Outside

    I guess Japan must be the most racist country on the planet…. due to its v strict immigration rules, eh….

    At least by the pro ‘open borders’ brigade, they must be racists.
    They call Europeans racist for wanting the same thing, after all.

        1. Yep

          Well no, Japan is just a generally racist place. A concern over immigration and racism are not the same thing. I think you would agree.

          In your attacks on “leftists” or whatever schoolboy language you’re using now, you are pushing people in the centre away. Thing is, you’re the one pushing off to the right.

          Alt-right, leftists, looney left, Nazis….the list is getting longer with labels as any reasonable discussion becomes near impossible.

  12. Clampers Outside

    For anyone interested in listening or asking questions the leftists won’t ask, or questions the leftists label racist…

    The stats in this vid are from Pew Research, so the usual numpty who will knock this youtube channel, and call it “far right” or something else similarly stupid, plse note the source not the delivery method, thanks.

    https://youtu.be/Y9Enx4XxO1E

    1. Ross

      Don’t expect any of the gobspoos on hear to listen to any of those facts. They remain wilfully ignorant of the threat and have little or no idea of how much of the Muslim community thinks.

      1. I'm "alright" Jack. Mad Jack is on annual leave.

        On hear? The biggest threats we face are to the structure and society of our online posts

      2. good@memes

        Ah… the voice of ‘reasons to be afraid and suspicious‘, also known as ignorance and intolerance.

        That’ll fix things.
        Yiz are doing a great job lads. Pat each other on the back, in your bunker..

        Idiots.

    1. Nigel

      Brilliant exercise in bathos, there. A string of forceful, dramatic, compelling words constructing a devious, ruthless evil web of manipulation all leading to the diabolical result of:
      AN VAGUE AND INSIPID MULTICULTURALISM.
      Wow, what sort of fiend decided that an vague and insipid multiculturalism was worth that level of diabolical effort? Were they having an off day? Did they get into it for the global plotting and sort of lose interest when it came to an actual aim? Say what you will about reverse vampires, at least they have a thing and they’re making it work for them. An vague and insipid multiculturalism? Your conspiracy theory needs work, Zuppy. Punch up the ending a bit. It’s so tepid it’s been cited in one of your favourite blogs as the real cause of climate change.

      1. Zuppy International

        Hope you’re billing for overtime Nigel.

        The point is the destruction of indigenous European Culture, in all it’s variety of flavors.

        Now why don’t you deal with the fact of the forced migration of people into Europe, and the equally engineered destruction of their own indigenous cultures.

        Or is that too much for your own vague and insipid mind to handle?

        1. Tony

          If you mean ‘his tiny willy to a rocking horse’ then yes. The wackjob nailed it for sure

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