45 thoughts on “De Thursday Papers

  1. Yep

    It’s certainly a big story but the front of EVERY UK paper. Each with their own spin on it….

  2. Kenny U-Vox Plank

    Who cares? The Irish Times will the typical gender bias story that impacts only it’s readership – i.e., college staff who are members of the Labour Party.

  3. Frilly Keane

    With all this payroll info
    Boys out £€£€ the girls
    Who’s worth what
    The state of Steve Wright etc

    Donald Duck me lads
    Stephen Nolan …. 400 k sterling !?!!!!!???

    Christ t’night

  4. Panty Christ

    A man out on bail for violent crimes, rapes a teenager, arrested again and released without a charge. Think about that one for a moment..

    1. Bob

      The thing is, it hasn’t been proven that he raped the teenager. So can’t these papers get into a lot of trouble for claiming he has?

      1. dav

        Garda press office told them he did, apparently that’s how that Grey area works according to mr williams

      2. Rainy Day

        What does bail mean? It means you have been accused but not convicted of a crime and while waiting for the trial you are free ….. as nothing has been proven. Bail is also a constitutional right, one that protects you and me.

        1. Twunt

          But should it be granted to a convicted criminal who is awaiting trial, with a history consisting of multiple offences? I speak in general terms, not just this case.

          The details of this person’s history are not yet know, but he was ‘known’ to the police and has a violent history.

          1. Rainy Day

            The granting of bail is decided by the judge in each case.
            What does ‘known’ to police mean? Is it just a Supt Reynolds term or an actual legal definition? ….
            I realise that this case appears to be awful beyond belief for the girl involved but beware the trampling of constitutional rights by rag newspapers only interested in selling copy.

          2. Cian

            I suppose it depends on:
            (a) what exactly the “history of multiple offences” are. i.e. how serious were the previous crimes, and was he accused of them, or actually convicted.
            (b) what evidence is presented to the judge that the accused actually committed the new crime.
            If the answer to (a) is “convicted of multiple violent crime” and (b) is “substantial evidence” then yes, they should be locked up until the hearing.
            However, if the answers as (a) “been in trouble with the police, but never actually convicted” or (b) circumstantial evidence, I’d say no.

          3. Harry Molloy

            +1 to the previous two comments. Let’s not give radical tabloid headlines more respect that hard fought constitutional rights, no matter how thin the pancake may seem to be

          4. Twunt

            Agreed, I’m not talking about denying bail to some person caught smoking a spliff for the 3rd time, or other relatively minor offences.

            Multiple serious or violent offences points to a dangerous person, who should not be free while awaiting trial for another serious violent offence.

          5. Cian

            Ironically some of his “multiple offences” are[1] drug-related – your proverbial ‘caught smoking a spliff ‘.

            If we remove this guy’s public order offences and drug offences we seem to be left with just that he is on bail for one “serious crime” awaiting trial and now was released without charge due to lack of evidence…

            [1] according to the papers above.

    2. Murtles

      It’s a tricky little thing called innocent until proven guilty. I think the whole “released without charge” terminology should be changed though. Perhaps to “we’ve nailed the bastard but are awaiting a court date”.

  5. Twunt

    How many countries would allow, someone who rapes someone, while on parole, to walk free from a police station?

    What odds he has scores, if not hundreds of previous convictions?

    This isn’t a difficult issue to fix.

        1. dav

          Well I wonder where twunt believes the individual should be incarcerated? Considering the whole prison system is at breaking point with over-crowding.

          1. Twunt

            If violent and dangerous people are not being incarcerated because we don’t have adequate space to house them, then we don’t have space to house dangerous people. So build more prisons.

    1. postmanpat

      There was probably no drugs involved. If he was caught with a few E and no rape he would be in jail all weekend awaiting trial. Judges don’t rate rape, but drugs are bad humm-kay. Irish Judges: keeping the streets safe.

      1. Cian

        Funny thing is that we rely on evidence to convict people.
        If you are found to have drugs on you – there is evidence – and you can be charged and convicted.
        If you are accused of rape – and there is no evidence – you aren’t charged, and get released.

        We need a separate conversation on the legalisation of drugs, but, at the moment they are illegal and the police and courts are enforcing the law.

    2. Cian

      Technically he is *accused* of raping someone.
      If there is substantial evidence that it was him, then yes, he should be lockup up until the trial. Otherwise, under the law, he is innocent unless proven guilty.

  6. Shayna

    On a thing unrelated to the BBC, great news there in Cork. Pairc Uí Chaóimh.looks great. I thought the old stadium was fine.

    1. tippex

      The old pairc was obnoxiously uncomfortable and unbelievably dangerous in both stands, on the terraces and through entrances. It should have been condemned decades ago.

      1. Meme-A-Tron 8001

        ‘unbelievably dangerous’ is an understatement.
        I was there twice, on consecutive days.
        On BOTH occasions I was caught rolling a joint by plain-clothed Gardaí.

        That wouldn’t happen in Dublin.

        According to Orwell, (The writer, not the puppet duck.)
        The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

        No. You’re thinking of Roald Dahl’s Fantastic Mr. Fox. Its a different book.
        It’s called ‘Animal Farm’.
        – No, not the XXXX-rated VHS videotape…. I give up…

    2. Lush

      Gotta hand it to you girl, you always find a way :)
      How did your Dublin trip go by the way?

      1. bisted

        …Hey Shayna…I hear sacred Harte has the players say rosary as part of their training…do you think god hates Tyrone now they seem to have stopped winning all-Irelands?

  7. Mourning Ireland

    O’Leary is on the money again. What’s the average duration of a RyanAir flight? 90 mins? 120? And still they want sit beside each other in silence and look at Facebook on their mobile phones.

    Get over it.

      1. Murtles

        I didn’t mind paying €8 for extra leg room but it’s going up to €15 now. Mark my words there’ll be a €2 charge to use the jacks on a Ryanair flight yet.

  8. Gay Tea Shop

    BBC stars pay also reveals huge race gap – there is more to diversity than gender, luv.

    1. Meme-A-Tron 8000

      Be quiet, please.
      You’ll wake Lenny Henry.

      Once he’s awake his wife is awake, and that stupid blonde one is never far behind.

      You didn’t think this through, did you?

  9. Peter Dempsey

    Q: What if that rapist and the Swords murderer were posh lads with no previous convictions from good families?

    A: People on here and Rabble would be way more outraged.

    1. Twunt

      It is not the wealth of the person, but the history of the person that matters. A track record of violence is a clear indication that there may be more violence. Dangerous and violent people should not get bail, regardless of the size of the bank balance.

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