It’s certainly a big story but the front of EVERY UK paper. Each with their own spin on it….
Henry Woods
Henry Sellers MADE the BBC.
Kenny U-Vox Plank
Who cares? The Irish Times will the typical gender bias story that impacts only it’s readership – i.e., college staff who are members of the Labour Party.
Frilly Keane
With all this payroll info
Boys out £€£€ the girls
Who’s worth what
The state of Steve Wright etc
Donald Duck me lads
Stephen Nolan …. 400 k sterling !?!!!!!???
Christ t’night
Panty Christ
A man out on bail for violent crimes, rapes a teenager, arrested again and released without a charge. Think about that one for a moment..
Bob
The thing is, it hasn’t been proven that he raped the teenager. So can’t these papers get into a lot of trouble for claiming he has?
dav
Garda press office told them he did, apparently that’s how that Grey area works according to mr williams
Rainy Day
What does bail mean? It means you have been accused but not convicted of a crime and while waiting for the trial you are free ….. as nothing has been proven. Bail is also a constitutional right, one that protects you and me.
Twunt
But should it be granted to a convicted criminal who is awaiting trial, with a history consisting of multiple offences? I speak in general terms, not just this case.
The details of this person’s history are not yet know, but he was ‘known’ to the police and has a violent history.
Rainy Day
The granting of bail is decided by the judge in each case.
What does ‘known’ to police mean? Is it just a Supt Reynolds term or an actual legal definition? ….
I realise that this case appears to be awful beyond belief for the girl involved but beware the trampling of constitutional rights by rag newspapers only interested in selling copy.
Cian
I suppose it depends on:
(a) what exactly the “history of multiple offences” are. i.e. how serious were the previous crimes, and was he accused of them, or actually convicted.
(b) what evidence is presented to the judge that the accused actually committed the new crime.
If the answer to (a) is “convicted of multiple violent crime” and (b) is “substantial evidence” then yes, they should be locked up until the hearing.
However, if the answers as (a) “been in trouble with the police, but never actually convicted” or (b) circumstantial evidence, I’d say no.
Harry Molloy
+1 to the previous two comments. Let’s not give radical tabloid headlines more respect that hard fought constitutional rights, no matter how thin the pancake may seem to be
Twunt
Agreed, I’m not talking about denying bail to some person caught smoking a spliff for the 3rd time, or other relatively minor offences.
Multiple serious or violent offences points to a dangerous person, who should not be free while awaiting trial for another serious violent offence.
Cian
Ironically some of his “multiple offences” are[1] drug-related – your proverbial ‘caught smoking a spliff ‘.
If we remove this guy’s public order offences and drug offences we seem to be left with just that he is on bail for one “serious crime” awaiting trial and now was released without charge due to lack of evidence…
[1] according to the papers above.
Murtles
It’s a tricky little thing called innocent until proven guilty. I think the whole “released without charge” terminology should be changed though. Perhaps to “we’ve nailed the bastard but are awaiting a court date”.
Twunt
How many countries would allow, someone who rapes someone, while on parole, to walk free from a police station?
What odds he has scores, if not hundreds of previous convictions?
This isn’t a difficult issue to fix.
Mourning Ireland
Shouldn’t you be commenting on TheJournal.ie?
Twunt
special, real special
Rob_G
Is there anything substantive in Twunt’s comment that you disagree with?
dav
Well I wonder where twunt believes the individual should be incarcerated? Considering the whole prison system is at breaking point with over-crowding.
Twunt
If violent and dangerous people are not being incarcerated because we don’t have adequate space to house them, then we don’t have space to house dangerous people. So build more prisons.
postmanpat
There was probably no drugs involved. If he was caught with a few E and no rape he would be in jail all weekend awaiting trial. Judges don’t rate rape, but drugs are bad humm-kay. Irish Judges: keeping the streets safe.
Cian
Funny thing is that we rely on evidence to convict people.
If you are found to have drugs on you – there is evidence – and you can be charged and convicted.
If you are accused of rape – and there is no evidence – you aren’t charged, and get released.
We need a separate conversation on the legalisation of drugs, but, at the moment they are illegal and the police and courts are enforcing the law.
Cian
Technically he is *accused* of raping someone.
If there is substantial evidence that it was him, then yes, he should be lockup up until the trial. Otherwise, under the law, he is innocent unless proven guilty.
Shayna
On a thing unrelated to the BBC, great news there in Cork. Pairc Uí Chaóimh.looks great. I thought the old stadium was fine.
Sheik Yahbouti
oh Christ.
Brother Barnabas
haha
Topsy
Is Christ performing there?
dav
only with a hurl in his hand…
tippex
The old pairc was obnoxiously uncomfortable and unbelievably dangerous in both stands, on the terraces and through entrances. It should have been condemned decades ago.
‘unbelievably dangerous’ is an understatement.
I was there twice, on consecutive days.
On BOTH occasions I was caught rolling a joint by plain-clothed Gardaí.
That wouldn’t happen in Dublin.
According to Orwell, (The writer, not the puppet duck.)
”The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
No. You’re thinking of Roald Dahl’s Fantastic Mr. Fox. Its a different book.
It’s called ‘Animal Farm’.
– No, not the XXXX-rated VHS videotape…. I give up…
Lush
Gotta hand it to you girl, you always find a way :)
How did your Dublin trip go by the way?
bisted
…Hey Shayna…I hear sacred Harte has the players say rosary as part of their training…do you think god hates Tyrone now they seem to have stopped winning all-Irelands?
Harry Molloy
Christ, straight in there
Mourning Ireland
O’Leary is on the money again. What’s the average duration of a RyanAir flight? 90 mins? 120? And still they want sit beside each other in silence and look at Facebook on their mobile phones.
Get over it.
kellma
LOL!!!
Twunt
They can sit beside each other, they are just too cheap to pay for the privilege
Murtles
I didn’t mind paying €8 for extra leg room but it’s going up to €15 now. Mark my words there’ll be a €2 charge to use the jacks on a Ryanair flight yet.
Cian
it’s only €7.50 per leg!
“cheap at half the price”
Gay Tea Shop
BBC stars pay also reveals huge race gap – there is more to diversity than gender, luv.
Gay Tea Shop
BBC salary data shows huge pay gap between white and BAME stars
Once he’s awake his wife is awake, and that stupid blonde one is never far behind.
You didn’t think this through, did you?
Peter Dempsey
Q: What if that rapist and the Swords murderer were posh lads with no previous convictions from good families?
A: People on here and Rabble would be way more outraged.
Nigel
You should just be thanking God you’re not homeless.
Twunt
It is not the wealth of the person, but the history of the person that matters. A track record of violence is a clear indication that there may be more violence. Dangerous and violent people should not get bail, regardless of the size of the bank balance.
It’s certainly a big story but the front of EVERY UK paper. Each with their own spin on it….
Henry Sellers MADE the BBC.
Who cares? The Irish Times will the typical gender bias story that impacts only it’s readership – i.e., college staff who are members of the Labour Party.
With all this payroll info
Boys out £€£€ the girls
Who’s worth what
The state of Steve Wright etc
Donald Duck me lads
Stephen Nolan …. 400 k sterling !?!!!!!???
Christ t’night
A man out on bail for violent crimes, rapes a teenager, arrested again and released without a charge. Think about that one for a moment..
The thing is, it hasn’t been proven that he raped the teenager. So can’t these papers get into a lot of trouble for claiming he has?
Garda press office told them he did, apparently that’s how that Grey area works according to mr williams
What does bail mean? It means you have been accused but not convicted of a crime and while waiting for the trial you are free ….. as nothing has been proven. Bail is also a constitutional right, one that protects you and me.
But should it be granted to a convicted criminal who is awaiting trial, with a history consisting of multiple offences? I speak in general terms, not just this case.
The details of this person’s history are not yet know, but he was ‘known’ to the police and has a violent history.
The granting of bail is decided by the judge in each case.
What does ‘known’ to police mean? Is it just a Supt Reynolds term or an actual legal definition? ….
I realise that this case appears to be awful beyond belief for the girl involved but beware the trampling of constitutional rights by rag newspapers only interested in selling copy.
I suppose it depends on:
(a) what exactly the “history of multiple offences” are. i.e. how serious were the previous crimes, and was he accused of them, or actually convicted.
(b) what evidence is presented to the judge that the accused actually committed the new crime.
If the answer to (a) is “convicted of multiple violent crime” and (b) is “substantial evidence” then yes, they should be locked up until the hearing.
However, if the answers as (a) “been in trouble with the police, but never actually convicted” or (b) circumstantial evidence, I’d say no.
+1 to the previous two comments. Let’s not give radical tabloid headlines more respect that hard fought constitutional rights, no matter how thin the pancake may seem to be
Agreed, I’m not talking about denying bail to some person caught smoking a spliff for the 3rd time, or other relatively minor offences.
Multiple serious or violent offences points to a dangerous person, who should not be free while awaiting trial for another serious violent offence.
Ironically some of his “multiple offences” are[1] drug-related – your proverbial ‘caught smoking a spliff ‘.
If we remove this guy’s public order offences and drug offences we seem to be left with just that he is on bail for one “serious crime” awaiting trial and now was released without charge due to lack of evidence…
[1] according to the papers above.
It’s a tricky little thing called innocent until proven guilty. I think the whole “released without charge” terminology should be changed though. Perhaps to “we’ve nailed the bastard but are awaiting a court date”.
How many countries would allow, someone who rapes someone, while on parole, to walk free from a police station?
What odds he has scores, if not hundreds of previous convictions?
This isn’t a difficult issue to fix.
Shouldn’t you be commenting on TheJournal.ie?
special, real special
Is there anything substantive in Twunt’s comment that you disagree with?
Well I wonder where twunt believes the individual should be incarcerated? Considering the whole prison system is at breaking point with over-crowding.
If violent and dangerous people are not being incarcerated because we don’t have adequate space to house them, then we don’t have space to house dangerous people. So build more prisons.
There was probably no drugs involved. If he was caught with a few E and no rape he would be in jail all weekend awaiting trial. Judges don’t rate rape, but drugs are bad humm-kay. Irish Judges: keeping the streets safe.
Funny thing is that we rely on evidence to convict people.
If you are found to have drugs on you – there is evidence – and you can be charged and convicted.
If you are accused of rape – and there is no evidence – you aren’t charged, and get released.
We need a separate conversation on the legalisation of drugs, but, at the moment they are illegal and the police and courts are enforcing the law.
Technically he is *accused* of raping someone.
If there is substantial evidence that it was him, then yes, he should be lockup up until the trial. Otherwise, under the law, he is innocent unless proven guilty.
On a thing unrelated to the BBC, great news there in Cork. Pairc Uí Chaóimh.looks great. I thought the old stadium was fine.
oh Christ.
haha
Is Christ performing there?
only with a hurl in his hand…
The old pairc was obnoxiously uncomfortable and unbelievably dangerous in both stands, on the terraces and through entrances. It should have been condemned decades ago.
‘unbelievably dangerous’ is an understatement.
I was there twice, on consecutive days.
On BOTH occasions I was caught rolling a joint by plain-clothed Gardaí.
That wouldn’t happen in Dublin.
According to Orwell, (The writer, not the puppet duck.)
”The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
No. You’re thinking of Roald Dahl’s Fantastic Mr. Fox. Its a different book.
It’s called ‘Animal Farm’.
– No, not the XXXX-rated VHS videotape…. I give up…
Gotta hand it to you girl, you always find a way :)
How did your Dublin trip go by the way?
…Hey Shayna…I hear sacred Harte has the players say rosary as part of their training…do you think god hates Tyrone now they seem to have stopped winning all-Irelands?
Christ, straight in there
O’Leary is on the money again. What’s the average duration of a RyanAir flight? 90 mins? 120? And still they want sit beside each other in silence and look at Facebook on their mobile phones.
Get over it.
LOL!!!
They can sit beside each other, they are just too cheap to pay for the privilege
I didn’t mind paying €8 for extra leg room but it’s going up to €15 now. Mark my words there’ll be a €2 charge to use the jacks on a Ryanair flight yet.
it’s only €7.50 per leg!
“cheap at half the price”
BBC stars pay also reveals huge race gap – there is more to diversity than gender, luv.
BBC salary data shows huge pay gap between white and BAME stars
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jul/19/bbc-salary-data-shows-huge-pay-gap-between-white-and-bme-stars
Be quiet, please.
You’ll wake Lenny Henry.
Once he’s awake his wife is awake, and that stupid blonde one is never far behind.
You didn’t think this through, did you?
Q: What if that rapist and the Swords murderer were posh lads with no previous convictions from good families?
A: People on here and Rabble would be way more outraged.
You should just be thanking God you’re not homeless.
It is not the wealth of the person, but the history of the person that matters. A track record of violence is a clear indication that there may be more violence. Dangerous and violent people should not get bail, regardless of the size of the bank balance.