Just to inject a note of realism here, Mr Hook has not been censored. His job is to make money for his employers, he has scared away the advertisers and obviously his employers are not best pleased. However, he has broken no laws, he is not under police investigation, the establishment aren’t out to get him, and people can and do say exactly what he said (in print, online, on radio, on television and even over the telephone) without repercussion.
If people are concerned about freedom of speech the issue here is not political correctness, the issue is whether all media should be on a for-profit basis, and therefore under the influence of advertisers, or whether communications, as a public good, should be managed in the public interest.
Mob shaming is not censorship now?
Not officially, but Mao would be proud of this mob morality justice.
There’s a good number of studies out there on how modern day social media outrage can be a more powerful tool of censorship than official govt enforced censorship.
A social censorship, as opposed to legal.
MoyestWithExcitement
“There’s a good number of studies out there on how modern day social media outrage can be a more powerful tool of censorship than official govt enforced censorship.”
You mean opinions. There are opinions out there that outrage is a more powerful tool of censorship that govt enforced censorship. So, what you’re saying is, your opinion is the right one because there are people who agree with you.
Warden of the Snort
“there are studies out there” – the first sign of a depressingly bereft argument
Gorev Mahagut
Where people have courage to match their convictions it’s generally accepted that sometimes you need to grow a spine and brave the disapproval of lesser minds. When your convictions can be summed up as “pandering to an audience in return for a seven-figure salary paid for out of advertising” then obviously “mob shaming” is a bit of an own goal. But he’s still free to carry on saying what he said. It just remains to be seen whether Ireland’s rapists will club together the cash to hire him as a spokesman.
gerry
If we shame you will you stop posting?
Amorphous Kerry Blob
No. He will never stop.
joe
the word on the street is that the off the ball guys want George’s slot, and are using their journal.ie buddies to orchestrate it with this faux outrage bullshlt.
Warden of the Snort
it was reported there was bad feeling before when his evening show corraled some of their alloted time and some say this led to the likes of Ken Earley heading off to fresh pastures
I’d say Newstalk is coming to the end fairly soon, it’s always come across to me as a rich man’s plaything
Out-of-office: I will be away from my desk having an infant cut from my body and held mewling to the light. Best regards,
Charger Salmons
Kevin Myers,George Hook and who next ?
The illiberal liberals only believe in free speech if it’s what they want to hear.
They’ve replaced the Catholic Church as the moral authority in Ireland with a gay Prime Minister as their Jesus Christ and Down With That Sort Of Thing as their Book of Revelations.
Amorphous Kerry Blob
You have thoughts. You are a person.
Pat Kenny's wife
Hahaha
Papi
Taoiseach. We have a Taoiseach in this fine country.
NotLucas
Jesus Christ, still this.
Media shapes public opinion and our society in general. When his comments seek to shape public opinion and our society to return to the 1950s, people, and advertisers, will rightly protest.
If a man goes back to a woman’s hotel room, has sex with the woman he just met, the woman leaves before her friend comes in and steals his wallet without his permission, would George say that the man should take responsibility for going back to the room of someone he just met? No.
To be clear, his comments were abhorrent because:
1) they stem from the assumption that sexual assault in some way must be some responsibility of the victim.
2) functions to shame (mostly) women into not reporting being victims of sexual assault.
3) perpetuates to maintain and normalise this way of thinking in our society and culture.
I don’t believe Hook’s comments were intended to have this effect but his, and other people’s’ callous ignorance of these effects are what people are most annoyed about.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but no one is entitled to do harm by espousing their bullshit with impunity.
Just to inject a note of realism here, Mr Hook has not been censored. His job is to make money for his employers, he has scared away the advertisers and obviously his employers are not best pleased. However, he has broken no laws, he is not under police investigation, the establishment aren’t out to get him, and people can and do say exactly what he said (in print, online, on radio, on television and even over the telephone) without repercussion.
If people are concerned about freedom of speech the issue here is not political correctness, the issue is whether all media should be on a for-profit basis, and therefore under the influence of advertisers, or whether communications, as a public good, should be managed in the public interest.
Mob shaming is not censorship now?
Not officially, but Mao would be proud of this mob morality justice.
There’s a good number of studies out there on how modern day social media outrage can be a more powerful tool of censorship than official govt enforced censorship.
A social censorship, as opposed to legal.
“There’s a good number of studies out there on how modern day social media outrage can be a more powerful tool of censorship than official govt enforced censorship.”
You mean opinions. There are opinions out there that outrage is a more powerful tool of censorship that govt enforced censorship. So, what you’re saying is, your opinion is the right one because there are people who agree with you.
“there are studies out there” – the first sign of a depressingly bereft argument
Where people have courage to match their convictions it’s generally accepted that sometimes you need to grow a spine and brave the disapproval of lesser minds. When your convictions can be summed up as “pandering to an audience in return for a seven-figure salary paid for out of advertising” then obviously “mob shaming” is a bit of an own goal. But he’s still free to carry on saying what he said. It just remains to be seen whether Ireland’s rapists will club together the cash to hire him as a spokesman.
If we shame you will you stop posting?
No. He will never stop.
the word on the street is that the off the ball guys want George’s slot, and are using their journal.ie buddies to orchestrate it with this faux outrage bullshlt.
it was reported there was bad feeling before when his evening show corraled some of their alloted time and some say this led to the likes of Ken Earley heading off to fresh pastures
I’d say Newstalk is coming to the end fairly soon, it’s always come across to me as a rich man’s plaything
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sq6jmh
Out-of-office: I will be away from my desk having an infant cut from my body and held mewling to the light. Best regards,
Kevin Myers,George Hook and who next ?
The illiberal liberals only believe in free speech if it’s what they want to hear.
They’ve replaced the Catholic Church as the moral authority in Ireland with a gay Prime Minister as their Jesus Christ and Down With That Sort Of Thing as their Book of Revelations.
You have thoughts. You are a person.
Hahaha
Taoiseach. We have a Taoiseach in this fine country.
Jesus Christ, still this.
Media shapes public opinion and our society in general. When his comments seek to shape public opinion and our society to return to the 1950s, people, and advertisers, will rightly protest.
If a man goes back to a woman’s hotel room, has sex with the woman he just met, the woman leaves before her friend comes in and steals his wallet without his permission, would George say that the man should take responsibility for going back to the room of someone he just met? No.
To be clear, his comments were abhorrent because:
1) they stem from the assumption that sexual assault in some way must be some responsibility of the victim.
2) functions to shame (mostly) women into not reporting being victims of sexual assault.
3) perpetuates to maintain and normalise this way of thinking in our society and culture.
I don’t believe Hook’s comments were intended to have this effect but his, and other people’s’ callous ignorance of these effects are what people are most annoyed about.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but no one is entitled to do harm by espousing their bullshit with impunity.