This afternoon.
Tá: 14
No: 6
Abstention: 1 (chair)
Voting by members of the Joint Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution for ‘repeal simplictiter’, Article 40.3.3 to be repealed from the Constitution and the houses Oireachtas be given the power to legislate.
In fairness.
Pic via Sean Defoe
Meanwhile…
#8Committee @mattiemcgrathtd proposing a motion that abortion on suicide grounds be banned. Ronan Mullen suggesting that women use suicidality as way of getting their demands. Such distrust of women. Motion rejected 17-3.
— Tipperary for Choice (@TippforChoice) December 13, 2017
Oh, Rónan.
Earlier:
Senator Catherine Noone
FF’s Lisa Chambers also wants legislation published in tandem.
I4C’s Clare Daly wants repeal simpliciter.
SD’s Catherine Murphy says legislation probably won’t be done in tandem but that #8committee should ask for it asap
— Gavan Reilly (@gavreilly) December 13, 2017
Repeal simpliciter is the best option, and every piece of advice and testimony given to the #8committee reinforces this.#repealthe8th
— Jen Keane (@zenbuffy) December 13, 2017
This afternoon.
The Joint Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution on the Eighth Amendment are currently voting on whether to repeal or keep the Eighth Amendment.
Watch proceedings live here
More as we get it.
Earlier: Slim Majority
UPDATE:
Historic #8committee vote 14-6 for #repealthe8th – Finally!!!
— ROSA (@RosaWomen) December 13, 2017
6 Níl, 14 Tá. 👏👏👏 #8committee pic.twitter.com/RF1Un5CHwN
— Daithi (@tvcritics) December 13, 2017
There you go now.
FIGHT!
Now we can settle back and look forward to a nice, civilised, on-topic debate until the referendum in May.
…and we’re off…just heard a bishop on radio talk about ‘Herodian proportions’…
I heard Ronan mullen on morning Ireland, calling some of the experts testimonies as ,sic “describing the killing of children”.
I’m kinda surprised he didn’t start attacking the doctors for this as they gave testimony, then again he may have ended up debating with them and showing how thick he really is…
I don’t pay too much attention to him, but he always seems to be complaining that the whole thing is unfair because all the experts disagree with him.
he is not thick, he is man-starved
Look at her and her big fat chops.
Repulsive.
I think she’s gorgeous. #crush
Leaving aside fact that she’s FG, I like her a lot. She’s very capable. Got the smarts and all that. She’d be a good leader of FG. Still wouldn’t make me vote for them, mind. And she’s been brilliant on the committee, in fairness.
Women will lie about being raped
Women will lie about being suicidal
Women will lie.
Antis really hate women, don’t they?
Is it your contention that women never lie?
No, but probably better not to assume that it will be the wimmins’ default position.
Women tell a LOT of lies. It’s just who they are. Nobody’s fault.
Warden, is it your contention that women always lie?
Ah now Daisy you’re an awful divil so you are!
but to your answer your question – no – except during post-coital conversation with Brother Barnabas/Rob_G above
Brother B does not engage in post-coital conversation, Warden. Brother B says what needs to be said with his winkle.
your best line yet Brother..
oh so it’s more like a very snappy retort? a one-liner if you will?
Sometimes.
Mostly more like a gutteral utterance.
it takes a real man to admit his short comings Brother
I like to combine ebullient boastfulness with needy self deprecation, Warden. I hope it conveys that I’m just playing.
@daisy I think it’s to do with adam being kicked out of the garden of eden or somfink…
Typical. We get blamed today for something that allegedly happened 6000 years ago!
it’s what jesus would have done…
If women do lie about these things its because they are forced to by a society that doesn’t trust them to make decisions about their own bodies. It’s all about control and it’s time to give control back to women.
What about all the other lies they tell then? Hmm?
they are not ‘fine’ and it’s definitely your fault.
:-)
It’s not that common, it doesn’t happen to every guy and it is a big deal!!
Ronan Mullen isn’t even trying to hide the woman-hating. He usually hides that behind the babies
in a perfect world he’d get preggers himself “outside of” marriage and then have to explain himself or go to a magdalene laundry because his mammy wouldn’t like him any more
He seems fairly self flagellating, so that makes sense… those masochists, I tell ya
I’d like to see what Govt decide to do with this now. And what legislation for abortion they propose if/once 40.3.3 is removed.
I doubt removal of 40.3.3 will pass a referendum though. Because of the killing.
Tell you what newsjustin, why don’t we put it to a vote of the people before we decide the outcome of the referendum?
Ah yeah. Silly me. I bet I’ll be the only person speculating on the result between now and then.
I see the committee rejected a proposal to allow for abortion in any circumstances up to 22 weeks.
Which begs the question. What is the substantive difference between an 11 week foetus and a 13 week old foetus. And why it’s ok to abort one but not the other.
12 weeks is the end of the first trimester, it is considered a safe time to begin telling people you are expecting as the chance of miscarriage drops at this point.
What’s the substansive difference between a 17 year and 360 day old child and an 18 year and 5 day old?
But one has more rights than the other.
The laws are written with specific ages for certain things.
I assume by that reasoning you’re against aborting at any point after fertilisation – but on the off chance you’re not, you can take that line of questioning the other way – what’s the difference between a pair of cells, a ball of cells, a bigger ball of cells, a bigger one again and so on all the way up to birth. Of course there’ll be different milestones during the development of the foetus, but they’re identified and given their meaning by us, not Jesus or his dad. So maybe it’s time to have a sensible discussion about that without all the histrionics about murdering babies.
Fair point Cian. Doesn’t affect the right to life, but does for voting rights, etc
I agree Sham. Worth having the discussion (which many dislike) of why people protect the right to life of some but not to others a week older.
Mullen can see through me
He can’t see beyond the end of his nose.
Finally, common sense on this issue begins to prevail against ignorance…
See, democracy works!… EVENTUALLY…
– However many decades it has been long overdue I’m not so sure about though?…
Anyway, fair play to all involved.in getting it this far… and spare a thought for all the stark raving loon’s at the candle-light vigil outside Leinster house tonight.
#Pray for Ronan Mullen
:-J
*googles simpliciter*
#metoo
Scorn not repeal simpliciter.
Rather try to love him – he’s insane.
Mesmerising
Int’it