69 thoughts on “De Wednesday papers

  1. LW

    I support Amnesty, and quite like what I’ve seen of O Gorman. I feel this SIPO thing is gonna be used very effectively as a rallying call for people campaigning against repeal though.

    1. paddy apathy

      Well then he needs to get his act in gear, abide by the law, pay the monies back. Problem solved. I doubt this will happen though.

    2. Taunton

      I fully disagree, O’Gorman has done great harm to that organisation by backing ISIS sympathyzers and the like.

      1. bisted

        …the SIPO law is there to ensure those with the most money can’t shout the loudest…O’Gorman has compromised his position…he’s been bought the way Bertie bought the unions…not only should the money be returned but he should resign…

  2. Diddy

    On primetimes homeless docu:
    Same lazy narrative .. Same old talking heads; Peter mc verry etc

    De homeless who can’t gerra heavily state subsidised house into Dublin city is making my P155 boil.

    Can we have a show from a middle class peeps rive please with empirical evidence as to the global reasons why the poverty line is going up and up?

    I’m sick of listening to the where’s me council house brigade whinging .. How much to these people pay INTO the system???

    1. some old queen

      A roof over these people’s heads costs buttons in the grand scheme of things and the reason it is beginning to resonate with the general public is because so many are also only a couple of paychecks away from being homeless themselves. There but for the grace of God goes I etc.

      Is it really too much to ask that the state looks after its most vulnerable? That if provides adequate services so that they don’t die on the streets like animals? No matter what issues or addictions they may have, they are still human beings and deserve to treated as such.

      What was interesting about this program was how intelligent and articulate some of those interviewed were. Real people, normal people, some of whom may not be with us by next spring. Completely unacceptable.

    2. Listrade

      You could probably get an answer into how much they pay INTO the system if you were a bit more specific about who “these people” are. In the context of your post, I assume you mean homeless people, but do you mean how much did they pay in before being homeless and how much they could pay in if they were homed? Or how much do they pay while homeless?

      You need to be more specific.

      Anyway, seems like Ireland signed up to the Declaration of Human Rights, which has a slightly awkward provision under Article 25 about the right to housing and the security of it “in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.”

      Damn, I wish we read these things before signing up to them. It’d make ignoring issues and demonising people a lot easier. Anyway, funny thing about human rights is that they are natural rights and not something that is given to you by the state through law. If you’re a human, you have those rights.

      If only we hadn’t let politicians make entitlement a pejorative, you could almost say that under the DHR, housing is an entitlement.

      1. Diddy

        I’m referring to the “where’s me house” brigade. The inner city entititled who as we speak are spending €2000 they can’t afford on Christmas presents. That way if life is OVER. The penny hasn’t dropped with them .The next generation are in hotel rooms.

      1. some old queen

        Thank you for feeling the need to critique what I post; even when it is just to biatch.

        16% of all housing in the NI is social and while that has caused its own tribal issues, it ensures people are not entirely exposed to the chancers and cowboys within the rental sector. ROI has not been so lucky.

    3. Topsy

      Diddy. I’d say you’re a pillar of the tennis club community. Doubtful if you ever did anything for anyone other than yourself. Be proud.

      1. Go A Way

        He’s not entirely wrong though. This program failed by not covering the extent of poverty in the middle class as well, you could even say it just fed the stereotypes about the poor. Incidentally diddy many middle class folks live beyond their means and Have an even greater sense of entitlement in my experience that the typical inner city native I’ve met , many of whom are simply glad to be still alive

  3. GiggidyGoo

    The Daily Express local council tax story is the way the LPT is going here. The difference though is that we get nothing for it.

  4. Jonner

    Was Hawe’s perceived loss of status coming from the imminent marriage breakup, or is there another issue that would have caused him to lose his status as a pillar of society and his wife to leave him?

  5. Charger Salmons

    Romanian beggars wth return airline tickets jet into Ireland for some pre-Christmas fund-raising activities and to avail of the generosity of charities intended for the homeless.
    Dontcha just love the free movement of people.

    1. Rob_G

      You’re right – we should leave the largest free trade area in the world, that provides a tariff-free market of hundreds of millions of customers for our goods and services, on the off-chance that a few dozen beggars might decide to move here.

    2. Listrade

      Freedom of movement you say:

      Brits in Spain: 761,000
      Brits in Ireland: 291,000
      Brits in France: 200,000
      Brits in Germany: 115,000
      Brits in Portugal: 60,000
      Brits in Switzerland: 45,000
      Brits in Netherlands: 44,000
      Brits in Belgium: 28,000
      Brits in Italy: 26,000
      Brits in Sweden: 18,000
      Brits in Greece: 18,000
      Brits in Denmark: 11,000
      Brits in Malta: 9,000
      Brits in Austria: 8,500
      Brits in Czech Republic: 6,800
      Brits in Poland: 5,600
      Brits in Luxembourg: 5,500
      Brits in Hungary: 5,200
      Brits in Romania: 4,500
      Brits in Finland: 2,800
      Brits in Ukraine: 900
      Brits in Croatia: 890
      Brits in Bulgaria: 800
      Brits in Estonia: 750
      Brits in Slovakia: 740
      Brits in Bosnia-Herzegovina: 540
      Brits in Latvia: 370
      Brits in Slovenia: 330

          1. Go A Way

            “It’s not unusual to deal with British people who have lived here over 20 years and complain about medical staff not speaking English. Because waiters and barmen speak English, they expect doctors to.’”

            I was born in the wagon of a traveling show ..

      1. Charger Salmons

        Paddies in UK – 537,108

        Don’t worry lads – we’ll keep looking after your unemployed as your own government is incapable of doing.
        Blighty – keeping Ireland afloat for decades.

          1. Brother Barnabas

            there was perhaps call for pity the first few times. but he keeps doing this – keeps coming back for more. and gets his arse handed to him every time. I’d be more concerned for him at this stage.

          2. Brother Barnabas

            seemed to have an embittering rather than educational effect on him

            that was sad to see – there’s always hope if you’re open to learning

  6. Charger Salmons

    Britannia’s teat – always there for the Irish to suck on when times get tough.
    Never in the field of human conflict have so many Ryanair one-way tickets been sold.
    For many Irish people their favourite view of home these days is in a rear-view mirror.
    You’re welcome but a bit of gratitude wouldn’t go amiss Patrick.

    1. Go A Way

      Suck on teats you say?

      The impoverished Irish peasantry, lacking the money to purchase the foods their farms produced, continued throughout the famine to export grain, meat, and other high-quality foods to Britain. The government’s grudging and ineffective measures to relieve the famine’s distress intensified the resentment of British rule among the Irish people. Similarly damaging was the attitude among many British intellectuals that the crisis was a predictable and not-unwelcome corrective to high birth rates in the preceding decades and perceived flaws, in their opinion, in the Irish national character.
      https://www.britannica.com/event/Great-Famine-Irish-history

    2. Listrade

      You’re right again charger. I teared up at the words. British icons flashed before my eyes at your words of passion. True british legends like Bowie, the Brontes, Henry Cooper, Conan Doyle, Michael Gambon, Alfred Hitchock, George Harrison and Paul McCartney, Michael Palin, Ozzy Osbourne, Alan Rickman even old George Osbourne himself.

      I’m literally welling up. Heroes. British hero….what?…all of them? Even Snape and Dumbledore? Born of Irish immigrants?

      Good job there’s all those celebrated British immigrants to balance out that kind of cultural and financial contribution….

  7. Charger Salmons

    Michael Collins would be spinning in his grave if he knew quite how often successive Irish governments have let their people down.
    The munificence of our neighbours on the mainland in welcoming O’Leary’s Fusiliers with open arms has kept Denny’s Gold sausages on the tables of their families back home.
    Yes we’ve put up with your perpetual whining about 800 years of blah,blah,blah and although we don’t get you to dig our roads any more because the Polish are more reliable we still find plenty of employment for the poor and dispossessed from across the Irish Sea.
    I know it’s a bitter pill to swallow but 100 years on from 1916 and the UK is still sheltering the poor,huddled masses from Eire.
    Way to go Leo.

    1. Go A Way

      Lol

      That’s all you’ve got?

      What about the mass influx of Brexit fleeing Brit immigrants to Ireland seeking an EU passport these days?
      Please stop self- flagellating there Nigella old sport

  8. Charger Salmons

    Generation Immigration from the Irish Times.
    And why they’ll never come back.

    Pauline Lavin, Oxfordshire, United Kingdom

    I moved back to Ireland after spending three years in England in May 2017 with a lot of experience in a niche area, and a Masters under my belt. I believed the media spin about the Irish economy recovering. I travelled to Donegal for an interview to be told there were 165 applicants for three jobs and they were interviewing 65. I then went to Wexford, Kildare, north Dublin and into the city for several other interviews.

    By July I was completely dejected and reminded of why I had left Ireland three years earlier. I started to re-apply to jobs back in England. After interviews in Liverpool and Cardiff, I applied for a job in Oxford, was called to interview and offered the job a week later. The best advice I can give anyone who is unemployed in Ireland is do not hang on and rot; go where you can get work and then apply for jobs back in Ireland from a distance, and ask for Skype interviews.

    I am unsure now whether I will return. I was not entitled to dole in Ireland as a returning emigrant and had to claim UK dole for three months, even though the cost of living in Ireland is twice what it is in the UK. Even if Brexit affects me I will probably go to Europe, rather than risk going back to Ireland.

    Colm Fitzgerald, London, United Kingdom

    My partner and I celebrate one year living in London this weekend, a year in which I’ve come across opportunities that would never have been open to me back home in Limerick after graduation: a communications job with a business organisation in Fitzrovia in Central London, and living in a Georgian house in Queens Park. Life in London goes at a million miles an hour, but I love getting the packed Bakerloo line to work and the buzz on the streets.

    I’ve been glad to discover for myself that life here is far more affordable than I had been led to believe. Making new friends is tough and there is more crime. But I’m optimistic about my future in London, knowing a growing career and more money are within grasp.

    1. Nigel

      No link and a large extract that exceeds fair use? If you’re going to use other people’s work to prop up your spite and bile you could at least do them the courtesy of providing them with potential web traffic.

    2. Jake38

      Spot on about London and Oxford, sweetie.

      Which is probably why people in London and Oxford voted in spades to stay in the EU. Unlike the Brexit-deluded sink estates and crime ridden wastelands which litter the rest of England and no self respecting Irish ex-pat would ever set foot in.

    3. Listrade

      Pssst, Charger, I know you’re in on the joke and you’re not serious when you post these things. It’s just that it was you who brought up immigrants and freedom of movement as a bad thing. No one here did. So all this stuff about Irish immigration has the potential to come off as looking a bit stupid because no one here has any problem with freedom of movement except you.

      Just saying as I know you’re not that stupid that you would in effect be arguing with yourself. I mean, only someone incredibly stupid would forget the point they made at the start and within minutes start arguing the opposite.

  9. Lilly

    Who is Charger Salmons and what’s he doing here when he could be hanging out at dailymail.co.uk admiring Davina McCall’s abs?

    1. Nigel

      I think he’s someone who doesn’t like anti-UK racism on the ‘Sheet, which is fair enough, and his considered response to this is to prove once and for all that as a person of British origin he is, in fact, way better at racism than any Irish person. So far he’s proved this point spectacularly, even though it’s kinda anti-UK racist as a proposition that Brits are just inherently better at being racist? He may or may not be an avid supporter of Brexit, but who knows? Linking Brexit explicitly to his racism when Brexiteers squeal whenever they’re accused of fostering xenophobia seems counterproductive. If he’s actually anti-Brexit and this is all a tediously clever ruse, I’m not sure why he’s wasting his time, we’re not exactly a haven of Brexit-boosters round here.

      1. Charger Salmons

        Were you the person arguing on Broadsheet yesterday that their posts had been deleted because the good folk at BS were pro-Brexit ?
        Or was that some other sad loser ?
        Asking for a friend.

          1. Go A Way

            True.

            In my opinion “Charger” is a student in transition year working at bs for his practical. He started off promisingly but the poor lad/lass simply has run out of material and as it’s Xmas most of the other permanent staff are out on the piss so he has no one to give him new story ideas these last few days either. Time to go back and concentrate on the leaving now “Charger”. Genuinely

      2. Listrade

        You mean he’s serious? I thought he was doing a bit and we were all in on the joke. I was sure it was a satire on the ignorant nature of some of the British press, highlighting the hypocrisy with poorly sourced thoughts and an inability to back any statement up before ignoring the original comment and following it up with a direct contradiction.

        Why else would someone post such easily dismissed nonsense of not in satire?

        1. Nigel

          Well, I’ve never found him funny or charming since I only started paying attention to him when he did a bit of victim-blaming in the Tom Humphreys case, which makes him one of the very few ‘Sheet commenters I have a genuine loathing for. Fact is, given how much alt-right racism is couched in ironic or joking terms to provide deniability and sucker people in, it kinda doesn’t matter what the real CS is thinking at the back of it all. This is the real thing, or indistinguishable from the real thing.

          1. Go A Way

            But sure that kind of stuff is guaranteed clickbait from the likes of yourself Nigel and I’m not sayin that to be nasty: see my theory above

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