Graeme Kelly writes:

On Sunday 4 out of the 10 ESB Rapid charge points in Dublin were Out Of Order. For EV drivers  this is a nightmare, especially if you have a low battery. The one just North of Malahide has been broken for 1 month which means a detour to the Airport or to Applegreen at Lusk Service Station. 

Tesla are building Charge Points all round the country (eg. Applegreen Castlebellingham) and consist of EIGHT charge points in each location. However, they will not be available to other EV users. 

At present Tesla owners use the ESB chargers for free with a special CHAdemo adapter. Surely in the interest of promoting the uptake of Electric Vehicles the Gov/ESB should agree with Tesla that use of each others charging stations is available to all EV Cars (even for a fee ?).

Anyone?

31 thoughts on “Only Connect

  1. Chris

    As an EV driver, you’re an early adopter, a true pioneer as it were, pull up your britches and get on with it. Enjoy the added adrenaline of not knowing where you can charge your EV, strap on a pair…Shackleton wasn’t moaning on the internet was he, he just got on with it. You don’t have to be in an EV to enjoy the thrills of nearly running out of juice, there used to be no filling stations on the M8 to Cork, I’d leave Dublin with a quarter tank and feel the pure thrill of passing the sign that said no filling stations for over 200k, what a rush, I actually miss it.

  2. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

    You’re probably vegan too. And a cyclist.
    What else do we hate? I forget sometimes.
    Or do we laud these things?
    I get tired and fall off the momentum train.

  3. Offbrand Jaffacakes

    Having only a handful of those fast chargers operating is no joke. I regularly use the (now broken) Stillorgan Luas fast charger to 100% (or 200km of range) my Leaf in 20-30 minutes. Genuinely half the time I’ll be waiting on a previous car to finish, and while I’m plugged in another will show up behind me, because despite having two plugs and two spaces the unit only accepts one car at a time. The regular chargers that are scattered about are all but useless; its handy to top up a little while you’re in tesco or whatever but you’re only talking 10km or so over 15 minutes, which is fine to cover your trip but it’s not a substitute for a filling station.

    I see other electric cars every time I’m on the road now, even the odd Tesla. ecar adoption is at peak capacity with the current infrastructure; the service as it stands really can’t afford this many outages at once.

  4. Rich Expat

    Why would Tesla give access to other manufacturers just because the council’s public infrastructure is crap?
    Get a Tesla or a cheap diesel and shut up.

  5. On The Buses

    Was told by a Tesla salesman that what ever power the ESB public charge points supply wouldn’t be a drop in the ocean to what is needed for a Tesla charge. Pretty sure there aren’t Tesla Owners that are plugging in at ESB points.

    1. Jonjo

      There are 3 different Teslas which can be seen regularly charging on Earlsfort Terrace across from the Conrad hotel at an ESB charger.

    1. Papi

      In Ireland, maybe. Norway is flooded with them, 30-40 000 on the waiting list for new ones. They’re so popular they’re thinking of taking away their tax breaks and carpool lane privileges for them.

  6. Yowzah

    why do i get the feeling this might be better directed to the ESB rather than a bunch of internet miscreants

  7. Joe

    Electric cars rely on regular charging from the electricity network. The power plants providing that energy aren’t emission-free, even the intermittent electricity supplied by wind turbines. Turbines are one of the worst ecologically damaging type of power generation of them all and wind turbines have to be backed up 100% of the time by fossil fueled power stations. If you are driving an electric car because you enjoy it, well and good. If you are trying to save the climate you would do less environmental damage driving a Hummer.

        1. Thomas

          Yeah, the Guardian also recently pointed to a study showing at least 50% less emissions. We’re talking energy generation here after all.

    1. Cian

      Charging your car during peak hours (daytime) is really bad for the environment & ESB networks (more infrastructure needed for peak times).
      Charging your car during offpeak hours (nighttime) is good for the environment & ESB networks (use existing infrastructure and wind-generated electricity (probably) available.

  8. Thomas

    “Surely in the interest of promoting the uptake of Electric Vehicles the Gov/ESB should agree with Tesla that use of each others charging stations is available to all EV Cars (even for a fee ?).”
    Tesla have in the past stated other manufacturers can access superchargers if their vehicles support the supercharger protocol. To date, none have done so. To their credit, a number of Nissan dealerships have fast chargers, and given their current dominance surely they should be the ones building up their own such network.

  9. scottser

    Here’s a thing. There must be hundreds of moving parts in an ev can the energy not be captured stored and used to recharge the battery? Seriously if you’re going to bother at all with this science mullarkey then you should be aiming for as close to perpetual energy vehicles as possible.

    1. Cian

      I totally agree – until we have perpetual-electric-engines we should not leave our lovely, clean diesel engines.

    2. Offbrand Jaffacakes

      Elon Musk called, his Tesla team needs your radical outside the box thinking.
      You really don’t think EV manufacturers don’t already aim to get the most efficiency possible? Most EVs have regenerative braking already; when you slow down, excess energy is fed back into the battery. The driver being aware of this is so important that the Nissan Leaf has a prominent bar-type display that fluctuates between white in one direction when drawing power, and green in the other direction when regenerating power. Feathering the accelerator, keeping the bar in the green or at least as small as possible is key to maximising my range.
      Getting anywhere close to perpetual energy in general with current technology is impossible, moving parts are inherently inefficient and generate unavoidable friction which saps energy, as does air resistance, heat byproduct etc. You’re asking for the mechanical equivalent of a torch being powered by a solar panel being powered by the torch.

  10. bobotheclown

    The problem/challenge with the rollout of the rapid fill chargers (and chargers generally) is much simpler. ESB were originally given the contract to install and MAINTAIN the charger network. They installed some inferior chargers which broke down and didn’t maintain the network sufficiently despite retaining these contracts and effectively having the rights of first refusal on any new incentivised charger installations. This is the first problem. The second problem is capacity- the rapid fill chargers are typically 50kW in size each which places a massive demand on the electricity grid that can’t be met in most locations because of a creaking network. To put that in context, that’s the equivalent of 80 average houses energy use per hour. If, for example, you want to install a rapid charger and you have one in mind, who do you need to call to hook it up to the grid? ESB. And when they find out that you don’t want to use a charger that they sell, what happens- they jack up the cost of the grid upgrade work so it becomes so expensive that you won’t bother and buy through them instead. They have a monopoly, all facilitated by current law. We have an open market in name only when it comes to energy. And don’t even get me started on how much we are fleeced when it comes to the cost of home energy. EVs are going to take over, whether you like to admit it or not. For the record, I’m not an EV owner. Not yet anyway.

    1. Cian

      We have an electricity infrastructure that currently works.
      It wasn’t designed with the lots and lots of 50kW car chargers in mind. If you try to retro-fix too many of these into an existing structure you will have problems.

  11. eric cartman

    1) most electric cars are not compatible with tesla charge points
    2) the infrastructure to support more charge points is hard and expensive to install
    3) You bought an EV, why give out, you knew this was going to happen.

  12. Peadar

    Having no driveway Id be depending on the ESB street chsrgers but keeping an eye on the app map I see so many of them broken down I am put off chancing it. That will have to change.

    1. Thomas

      To be honest, if you can’t charge at home or work then I wouldn’t get one…. though I guess it depends how many times a week you’d need charge (Me? Nightly – do 110km+ a day)

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