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Expats For Life twask:

From Paris to New York to Sydney & right around the world, Irish expats are becoming engaged in #8thref & mobilising to help #Savethe8th & defeat #repealthe8th. Many will be coming #hometovote. When will the media cover this instead of the constant #repealthe8th expat stories?

Anyone?

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  1. takeithard

    I’m happy to live in a country with legalised abortion but yous back home should stay backward as it makes my expat life look much better – signed all 2 of the lads in Australia who think this

    1. newsjustin

      What makes you think they are happy that the country they live in has legalised abortion?

      If it’s just the fact that they live there, the flip side of what you’re suggesting is that pro-choice people should all leave Ireland.

      1. Daisy Chainsaw

        We’re staying to fight and get rid of the 8th rather than let the 8th force women out of their homes in order for safe, legal treatment elsewhere.

        These hypocrites are happy to pay taxes funding liberal abortion regimes in the countries they immigrated to.

        1. newsjustin

          Yeah. I agree, pro-choice people should stay and campaign for what they believe in. Just pointing out the nonsense of criticising everyone who is pro-life that’s ever lived outside Ireland.

          1. newsjustin

            Daisy. If it hypocritical for these pro-life people to live where they live because of the laws there, then it’s hypocritical for you to live in Ireland under the current laws you don’t agree with.

          2. Daisy Chainsaw

            I’m campaigning to change those laws. Why aren’t the immigrant hypocrites doing the same in their chosen countries?

  2. ahjayzis

    As an Irish person in the UK I’m hard at work campaigning for women to lose the vote, gays to be recriminalised and Catholics to be de-emancipated in the place I don’t live anymore – because LOLZ.

    Def gonna come home to vote to counter that peckerhead.

    1. newsjustin

      You can’t have it both ways ahjayzis. You’re loving #hometovote but only if it’s pro choice people coming.

        1. ahjayzis

          And you have to admit, people advocating that their fellow countrymen should continue to be constitutionally barred from enjoying the rights they now enjoy abroad, is pretty funny.

          They presumably think abortion is murder – they all live in cities where this state sanctioned murder takes place every day. If they’re not protesting and agitating for that to change where they live, they’re either complicit or just prurient.

          1. Daisy Chainsaw

            That’s the beautiful hypocricy of Irish antichoice supporters. Abortions all over the world except “holy catholic Ireland”. They won’t agitate to ban abortions in the countries they now live, but they’re happy to campaign to keep Irish women away from services they can access at the end of their roads.

          2. newsjustin

            They may well be protesting in those cities ahjayzis.

            Also rights- if I moved to certain parts of the USA I could have the right to buy dozens of guns and keep them in my home. That doesn’t mean a) that I want to exercise that right b) that I love guns c) that I’m keen for Ireland to have similar gun laws to my new home.

            Also – Daisy, you’re aware there are pro life campaigns in other countries, yes?

          3. ahjayzis

            I really doubt it babes. I’ve never seen signs and protesters at Dublin port or airport imploring women to not murder innocent Irish babies.

            If you really believe it’s murder, it’s kind of disgusting how you put up with that much murder being exported. If thousands of Irish babies die a year, why aren’t you agitating for pregnant women to be put on no-fly lists to save lives? A constitutional ban that would lead to questioning of pregnant women at airport security, as is done in the UK with parents suspected of bringing their daughters to Africa for female genital mutilation?

            You do none of these things. You’re intensely comfortable with Irish abortions as long as they don’t take place on the Holy Island where god can see.

            When you keep calling something murder, and you don’t act like it’s murder, you’re either fairly laid back about murder, or you’re using it in a cruel, crass way to abuse the women who’ve had abortions and to advocate against their rights. It’s not a good look.

          4. newsjustin

            “You’re not chasing women through airports. Therefore you must not have a valid concern over abortion.”

            Nice one Ahjayzis.

            This is a line used by people who want to avoid debate on the merits of the 8th.

          5. ahjayzis

            I’m not saying you don’t have a concern.

            I’m saying you’re either lying when you equate it to murder or you’re oddly relaxed about murder.

  3. Ray Purchase

    Referring to yourselves as “expats”. Absolute scenes. You’re economic migrants, lads, it’s only Brits who think that calling themselves that makes them a higher class of huddled mass.

  4. Daisy Chainsaw

    Funny how they all emigrated to countries where a woman can access safe, legal abortion. If they’re so antichoice, they should have stayed here to fight.

        1. newsjustin

          So abortion is the ONLY factor that should influence a person’s career choices, love-life or desire to see the world?

      1. Daisy Chainsaw

        And risk their health in a country riddled with bronze age superstitions guiding maternity healthcare? Would you?

      2. Shanti

        Well, perhaps they were forced to move overseas because their human rights are ignored here and would like to change the law so that they can live in their home country like they wanted to?

        Pro life went to countries where this is not the case when their beliefs were catered for here. There is a bit of a difference.

      1. newsjustin

        There are pro-life campaigns in other countries too peeps. Sure didn’t the whole @ireland thing teach us that – when one slipped through the net.

        1. Daisy Chainsaw

          They seem more concerned on keeping Ireland “abortion free” than their own countries. Odd that!

          1. newsjustin

            Classic “You’re campaigning for one thing, that must mean you don’t give a damn about this other thing” nonsense.

            It’s usually along the lines of “prolifers don’t care about kids once they are born.” You’ve internationalized it. Fair play.

          2. mildred st. meadowlark

            I’ll be sure to remember that when you whip out your ‘How can you say you care about life when women are murdering precious little babies in their wombs?’ spiel.

            I’m pretty sure you’re guilty of using an equivalent of this when debating this topic in the past.

            Stones and glass houses, my dude.

    1. Janet, I ate my Avatar

      they’d be laughed out to their backward country ( on this issue ) by the locals with a bit of cop on

  5. anyone

    This is precisely the sort of reason why boo boos and try-hards who leave this country shouldn’t get the vote

  6. Rob_G

    To everyone on this site who trumpeting #hometovote during the marriage equality referendum: this is why people who no longer live in the country should not be allowed vote any more…

    1. BobBobBob

      While I support people who actually bother to vote and would be in favour of compulsory turnout, I’m increasingly bothered by #hometovote and I’m not sure it is legal or fair.

      I think this referendum will pass … eventually. Sure they’ll just keep running it every few years until it does.

      1. newsjustin

        People only seem to have gotten this time around because people who won’t vote as they will are thinking of coming home as well as the people who agree with them.

      2. ahjayzis

        I wouldn’t come home to vote in a general election. I did break the law to do it for the marriage equality referendum though. Just because I’m abroad doesn’t mean I don’t have a stake in my country recognising my legal overseas marriage.

        Other countries don’t have this hang up. Poland opens polling stations in Ireland. Brits can vote for 18 years after they emigrate. It’s curious that the country that goes through the same cycle of boom to bust, to exporting 100’s of thousands of it’s citizens, then doesn’t allow those emigrants a vote, then repeats the process. If only there was a way to connect the two…

        1. Rob_G

          I wouldn’t come home to vote in a general election. I did break the law to do it for the [abortion] referendum though. Just because I’m abroad doesn’t mean I don’t have a stake in my country recognising [the sanctity of life].

          – do you see how that might work? What if everyone in America who is entitled to an Irish passport decided to get one and come to Ireland to vote in the upcoming referendum, how do you think that might skew the result?

          1. Daisy Chainsaw

            An entitlement to an Irish passport doesn’t give you an entitlement to vote here, If it did, there would be no need for #Hometovote because they could stay where they are and vote through the embassy, or by post.

          2. Rob_G

            Anyone with an Irish passport could, in theory, get themselves on the electoral register, and would then have the right to vote.

            I am merely out one of the reasons why it is better for the people who are resident in Ireland and will be subject to the laws in question have the final say in drafting those laws, rather than a group of people bussed in for the day.

          3. ahjayzis

            I didn’t quibble about voting abroad, I said people coming back to save Ireland from the scourge that takes place around them every day of the week where they live is laughable and hypocritical.

            No one’s advocating anyone with an Irish granny should have a vote – Irish people, who grew up in Ireland, and have left in the last few years / decade, due to Ireland being run into the ground politically and economically should have at least a small say. Britain does it, France does it, America gives that right for life.

            A ‘diaspora’ constituency would do it. The French senate has seats reserved for overseas french voters’ representatives. A Dail seat or two would be nice. You could make it a special TD category with no vote on taxation / the like.

            No representation is probably why the fact 1 in 6 Irish born people no longer live in Ireland isn’t treated like the demographic anomaly it is – war’s have thinned populations less.

            Ireland makes such a song and dance of cherishing and mourning it’s diaspora, but if you suggest they should have even a tiny role in the state people act like you’ve asked to smear poo on the walls.

          4. Rob_G

            I think what you are proposing would be very difficult to enforce – we don’t really have a way of measuring exactly when people leave the country (they don’t have to declare themselves as leaving the electoral district, as is the case in other countries).

            “No representation is probably why the fact 1 in 6 Irish born people no longer live in Ireland isn’t treated like the demographic anomaly it is – war’s have thinned populations less.”

            – only these people weren’t killed in a war, they moved to other countries to work well-paying jobs in interesting places. We are a small country but have the freedom to live and work in 27 other countries – I kind of look on this as a positive, rather than a negative.

            I just don’t think it is fair that people who will not have to live under the effects of a set of laws should have a say in how these laws are formulated, regardless of how they might do things in other countries.

          5. ahjayzis

            And that’s fine Rob, if the bureaucracy is too difficult and you think we have no right to a voice, despite the fact most of us cannot vote in our new countries, and the fact most other countries do this just fine.

            Just can the talk about Ireland cherishing it’s diaspora, it treats it’s emigrants worse than any other country in Europe.

      1. The Ghost of Starina

        fair play. but also they’re purposely dressed up. pigtail girl appears to be unironic.

  7. Daisy Chainsaw

    I wonder are all the “Expatsforlife” in the US there legally? They’d want to be careful or they might end up #Hometovote sooner than anticipated, after being deported by ICE!

  8. :-Joe

    I want to vote already and get this over with… it’s getting tiresome now.

    Repeal and let women make up their own minds about their own bodies and let’s get the state to finally grow up a little more and take reponsibility for it’s own citizens instead of exporting our problems to other countries.

    It’s like we are 50 years behind the US, I just hope we don’t go through the same history when abortion is legalised. I’m talking about you lot, the religious fundamentalist nut-jobs and jesus-freaks… mostly the ones with all the posters ranting and raving like neantherdals…

    :-J

  9. italia'90

    Taxation without representation.
    There are hundreds of thousands of resident European citizens here who are effected by the outcome of this referendum but are not allowed to vote.
    That really needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.
    They have to go abroad for abortions too.
    We have had this experience in our family.
    We’d all vote to repeal but we all can’t.
    I find this extremely unfair and should be remedied in another referendum.

  10. stephen lane

    There isn’t going to be a referendum to repeal the 8th Amendment. I keep saying it but no one appears to be listening.

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