Noel Patrún also known as Noel C Pattern
Gorugeen Fingleton writes:
You may recall those ‘My Abortion’ story billboards. The Noel featured turns out is a fake. Save8.ie have since deleted his story (this is the cached page)
Considerable (well, not really. It was pretty straightforward) leg work went into proving this guy is not a nurse, has a city and guilds cert that appears altered (provided to us by Pro-Life activist John McGurk), has lied about his experience, is a self confessed convicted armed robber and self-professed gun runner…
Instead of doing the sensible thing and throwing him under a bus ( OMG he lied to us) John McGurk and Save the 8th are claiming Noel left the campaign because of bullying by repealers.
This was either a very clumsy attempt at duping folks or it was incompetence on a grand scale. Either way I for one hope they continue with such own goals. Its awfully entertaining!
Previously: Two Billboards Outside Buswells
Update:
John McGuirk writes:
I’m writing to provide some clarification to your piece .
The central claim of your piece is that Noel Pattern is not a registered nurse. Helpfully, you provide both a link to his video, and to the billboard ad featuring him, neither of which say he was a nurse.
The billboard says “I worked in the abortion theatre, I’ll never forget what I saw”.
Mr. Pattern served as an Operating Department Practitioner (ODP) in an NHS hospital from 2001 to 2005. I am happy to provide broadsheet, privately, with the contact details of Mr. Pattern’s colleagues who worked alongside him at that time if your website wishes to verify his employment independently.
An Operating Theatre Practitioner is the person who prepares patients for surgery, and assists those performing the operation.
When a surgeon says “scalpel, please”, it is usually handed to him by an ODP. ODP’s are often referred to as “circulation” or “scrub” nurses, even though they are not actually nurses.
The accusation that we have produced a false or misleading ad is completely false. The ad states simply that Mr. Pattern worked in an operating theatre when abortions were provided – this is absolutely true. Your piece says that “considerable legwork went in to proving that this guy was not a nurse”.
Sadly, this effort was somewhat in error, and could have been expended just as productively in an effort to prove that he was not an astronaut, either. The claim that he is a nurse simply doesn’t appear in our advertisement.
These attacks on Mr. Pattern are unfortunate, and have left him somewhat shaken. At his request, we have removed his name from her website, but for the avoidance of doubt, we stand over the content of the advertisements we issued.
John McGuirk, communications director for Savethe8.ie, this evening.
Update:
And yet here you are offering to provide his nursing certificates pic.twitter.com/3BDdtXQsne
— E Harris (@nbgbgb) March 8, 2018
Ah.
Update:
He’s lying pic.twitter.com/qbHA5Zbzt7
— polly molotov RGN RM ❤️💜💖🧡💙💚 (@NursepollyRgn) March 8, 2018
Ah here.
Update:
Just to add to @broadsheet_ie piece on Noel Pattern. John also claimed Noel did not go to prison…. pic.twitter.com/Bh5ZmkeIUA
— Thor (@ruxtab) March 8, 2018
Oh, come on now.
I’m shocked and appalled.
It took me a few minutes to suss him out on the original report. https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/02/26/two-billboards-outside-buswells/
Once you see almost concocted ‘Irish’ names, you start looking.
It’d be interesting to see the evidence laid out in a single post.
+8
His “practicioner” cert above is dated 2 years after he claimed to start working for the NHS.
His name does not appear on the NHS database meaning he was never registered to work for them.
He is not listed on the register of nurses in Ireland or the UK under either of his names.
He wrote about the robbery and gun running in the book “Forgiving Ferns”.
Thanks Repro.
The whole thing seems dodgy alright. You’d have thought some basic due diligence would have resolved this before a press campaign.
Why would they bother? Someone comes to them with a story and they’re so rabid to get it out on their expensive billboards that they don’t care if it’s true or not. They’re so desperate to cling to the notion that an abortion is like a scene from the Red Wedding in GOT, that anyone validating their gore porn fantasies gets the mobile ad van treatment.
Crisis actors and lies…
It’s amateurish, if indeed they’ve gotten it totally wrong.
It has been established using facts.
Seems to me its like a cert taken on a course like how to wash your hands or how to close a door or many of the thousands of courses when you work in the public sector
Of course tipexing half of it out looks quite dodgy
Google these carts on Google and it certainly looks very different
Mind you I wonder when they will dig out some thing to discredit the man
Maybe tomorrow documents will emerge that he trained under Joseph mengler
“is a self confessed convicted armed robber and self-professed gun runner”
– yikes; you would they would have found someone nicer to play their fake abortion nurse…
Is this him?
http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/to-hell-and-back-for-abuse-victim-1-202121
Apparently so.
No apparently. It most definitely is him.
The article is essentially an advert for his book “forgiving ferns” be interesting to know what’s true out of any of it..
“Catholic terrorists”. Er……
Crisis Actors.
if it is? Jesus! He was put through the ringer. Poor bastard! And I don’t mean that in a nasty way. He had a raw deal . I feel really sorry for him. The most heartbreaking thing is, is that the church always wins. No matter what they do. Here is a man that was molested by a priest in training , ruined his life and he’s back working for them? This repeal referendum will fail. I can feel it. The pro-Life crowd have the zeal that the pro-choice will never have. Girls, better stick some money in a travel to UK fund and prepare for a bummer of a trip if you get caught with an unwanted pregnancy. This abortion ban is going nowhere. Pro-choice will win by a slight margin. Ill drag my lazy arse to the voting stations and do my part but I know Ill see multiple deputized church mini busses drive past me on the way, shuttling all my religious neighbors there and home again. and if they don’t make an effort to vote against then its “literal” hell to pay for them if the repeal goes through and they cant explain their laziness to St. Peter . Pro-life will win by 58% id say. This referendum would be better off postponed for another 5 to 8 years to wait for the uber-zealots to die off and get more enlightened youths up to voting age.
“This repeal referendum will fail”
“Pro-choice will win by a slight margin”
“Pro-life will win by 58%”
Yeah but no but yeah?
duhh., sorry I meant pro-life will win by a slight margin.
I wouldn’t say that a 42%:58% result is a ‘slight margin’.
I’d say it was a big win (to whichever side)
And sadly he is now shilling for institution that abused him
Walter Mitty type fellow.
But you’re an American; why would someone who uses American spelling vote in an irish referendum?
Goodness, that is horrible. The poor man. Continually manipulated and used all his life.
His timeline of certain things don’t line up, the way he said about running guns in the north, republicans (provisional) never used a child as he was at the time,his explanation of changing his name by deed poll and years later being found out of his real name is pure bollix, any warrants would have been checked out when changing his name at the time, extradition during the 80s took much longer than he said and as it was a category A crime he said he was arrested for then there is absolutely no way he would have been held on remand in the scrubs , he would have been in Brixton or because he said it was only a week before extradition it more likely he would have been held in Paddington green, this sounds like a total fabrication, of his story is too be believed he was better than James Bond, I’m surprised he didn’t say he was the notorious one shot paddy who operated around south Armagh, a gun runner my arse, and his always carried a gun shit is total crap,as no member of the movement ever carried outside of operations,all were held by a quarter master,,,, and he’s also stated in the past that he had cancer that was lies, the certificate for his city and guilds was not the way they looked in the uk in the 80s , I know that for a fact as I passed my c+g during that period
Anti-choice would never lie to us. Would they?
The way they see it, some document fraud is nothing compared to the murder of innocent human life. The end justifies the means. This is a holy battle.
Yes!
More of this!
The more you look like crazed loons waving your sad backward superstitions around the better :)
I said “The way they see it.” I’m pro-choice . That said I don’t think the repeal will go through in a vote. There are too many religious people who believe in heaven and hell in this country. And if you believe in heaven then abortion is murder then it is your duty to do anything and everything in your power to keep the 8th. This includes fraud which we have seen with this Pattern fella. Moderate/ fair weather Catholics the type that get there kids baptized (most of the country) will make an excuse to be unavailable on voting day and hedge there bets with the man up stairs. So the Yes voters will be me , you, a few students who aren’t too hungover to get to the voting stations on the day Vs all the OAP believers who don’t expect to be around in 5 years time and see this as their last chance to thumb the scales of morality plus they will be all getting free lifts from all the Noel C Patterns out there with access to a mini bus. The Pro-choice activists would be better organizing the same thing if they want to win this thing. That way everyone is happy. Abortion is legalized, the religious tried their best so they get a pat on the head from JC for the effort come death time. The cowards who stayed at home for lame reasons during an important vote like this (most of the country) can , drop dead for all I care, they aren’t the type of people I have time for. At least both sides have principals. You see, this isn’t like the gay marriage vote. Most auld wans didn’t care about what a couple of funny queer fellas got up to, most auld fellas wouldn’t get off their bums to vote for or against that type of thing either. So no one really saw a problem with who put what where as long as no one was getting hurt. Gay marriage went through . no problem, except Roscommon-South Letrim. Abortion is a whole different thing in peoples heads Have a look at this: http://www.thejournal.ie/constituency-count-same-sex-marriage-referendum-2120378-May2015/ if you take 15 percent from the yes side and add to the no side, county by county. you have what I think will be the results of this abortion referendum. Only Dublin and half of Galway and Cork will vote to appeal and only then barely.
What a negative ninny you are!
You’re right though!
It’s not a lie it’s mental reservation!
Now e will see it the baying mob ganging up on anyone who is pro life
I am waiting for the wording and if fatal is removed from fatal foetal abnormality I will vote against removal of the eight
I would say by the time they have finished they will make a complete dogs dinner
That wording won’t be part of the referendum, that will be legislation to be passed by the Oireachtas.
Dangerous
Voting to remove something without a clue about what will replace it
If this is so I will vote no
Its not that I am against abortion or wanting rape victims or incest victims or women carrying a dead baby like savita
Its knowing our history it always ends up arse ways
The fact we are not to see the wording means what they have planned could be worse than what is already there
I have a mentally handicapped nephew and when the citizens assembly recommended dropping the dreaded fatal bit because it was offensive to some set alarm bells ringing
Its up to the people to decide not unelected quangos or politicians
This is for the people to decide and frankly can anyone trust our government? No
The reason we’re not seeing the wording is that this referendum will remove abortion from the constitution and hand the authority to the houses of the Oireachtas to pass legislation on it. Do you do any research before posting?
Also, “Mentally handicapped”? Charming phrase you have there. How is life in the 70s?
So your only for choice in the case of healthy rape baby ,probably healthy incest baby and not compatible with birth baby? And against it where the mother is not willing to raise a unwanted non rape kid or “special” kid. because your nephew is so great. and everyone should be forced to carry on with a “special ” pregnancy? My niece is “special”. I still think her parents should have aborted her , she’s only getting worse. Its not all fun and games like Corky from Life Goes On you know. The parents are at their wits end and its not fair on the siblings. At some point she will be carted off to a home. Not a nice ending but their you go. At least the Pro-Life crowd make have consistent internal logic that I don’t agree with. I don’t know what you are saying. You say “Its knowing our history it always ends up arse ways” can you give any past examples and how they would relate to abortion legislation? The current system doesn’t work. So you would vote No and keep a system that you know doesn’t work , because… your nephew? what?
The divil made them do it….apparently
Gorugeen? Huh?
[Potato] gun runner. Sadness of it never left his face.
You just can’t get the ladyhaterz these days.
In fairness, the billboard only said he worked in the abortion theater and he’d never forget what he saw.
Maybe he was doing some electrical work and saw a rather amusing strip of Garfield while he was there.
There was an accompanying article when the billboard was launched where he spoke about arriving home from work to find baby parts in his shirt pocket.
Jaysus God almighty.
Which parts? Toes? Fingers? Hair? little cute little noses? Awwwh
Heh. Can you imagine what kind of medical procedure would lead to body parts flying around so much that they could sneak in through your gown and down into your pocket. Like in Alien only worse.
SPLAT! WHOOOSH! PFFFFFFFFRT!
NONSENSE!
Actual baby shower.
You see. Further proof that there are, in fact, funny abortion jokes.
(Dark af obvs, but funny)
I laughed. I’m going to hell…
Jaysus Nigel!! – oh my days…
Nigel you are a very naughty boy.
And absolutely not the messiah.
Nigel making abortion jokes, and a funny one !
No one is going to hell though, just to be clear.
That was proper funny Nigel.
Coffee in keyboard moment.
We are all going to burn in hell.
Brilliant!
Cian, you’re right. You’re going to hell unless you repent. Your consciences are so seared that you joke about aborted babies. Shame on you all. You should fear God and repent, because the wrath of God abides on you. Every breath He gives you is a gift and an opportunity to repent,turn from your sin before He takes it away.
Sarah’s got a boo boo for this god chap..
God Sarah, stop being so needy.
Which is worse, a joke about someone who lies about aborted baby parts in pockets to promote a political agenda, or the lies about aborted baby parts in pockets to promote a political agenda? Which is the more likely to get you hellbound?
Which God is that?
Odin maybe? Or Hanuman? I just don’t know…
He claimed to have 25 years experience in the NHS and McGuirk, in the defending phase, said Patrun was involved in 9 abortions a day.
Brilliant!
You’d think they would have run the fake certificate through a spell checker at least
It didn’t take a genius to twig that this whole thing was horse poop.
The fact that there’s still no details online for Caren Ni Hallachain anywhere indicates to me that she’s a made up person or that her story is b*ll*x. As such, why are there not repercussions for “Save 8” deliberately lying?
Caren Hallahan is on the Bord Altranais register as inactive. She was a qualified nurse and now she’s an osteopath in Dungarvan.
Thanks for that
Osteopath. ‘Nuff said.
Aye. That got an involuntary eye-roll from me.
The antis have aborted Noel from the campaign faster than a Ryanair flight to Liverpool. Seems they’ve thrown him under the
busmobile ad van.There’s a Pattern here
Male Pattern Badness….
scarlet. and not surprising. but the damage has been done — there will be plenty of rural aul wans going “didja hear about the man who worked in the operating room, he said he’d never forget it!”
By any means necessary is their motto folks so expect more misrepresentations, lies and downright deceit. It is only starting unfortunately.
But, it’s not looking good so far. First they offended people with DS, then gory false pictures and now using people of questionable character. What’s next I wonder?
Is there anything that can be done about blatant deception like this.
As far as I know ASAI won’t deal with it as they are not advertising a product/service.
Referendum Commission wash their hands of it also as their job is just to distribute correct information about the actual changes in the referendum.
Its not slander or libel. Could they be taken to court for fraud? I doubt it.
Surely there must exist some mechanism to deal with blatant lies like this though.
Is there anything that can be done about blatant deception like this.
Yeah
Just call them liars
Free press and common sense?
There is such a mechanism: combat falsehoods with truth. No need for quangos to get involved.
Awww!! But If I ran such a toothless quango I could pay myself a nice salary (which I would obviously increase by 15% every year) and not have to worry about results. Just bill the government for more of that sweet public money and drive my company car and stay in hotels all over the country. Oh Yeah!! Good times are back!
@PostmanPat: I like your moxie, kid.
It doesn’t really matter if it true or not because killing babies in the womb is something like breaking eggs in a birds nest, nothing can justify it, all ye non believers can make all the jokes you like but you are only fooling yourselves if you think you will not pay the price for your ambivalence some day. We will all reap what we sow some day.
I love breaking eggs.
How do you break yours?
Kinky.
Would love scrambled eggs and soldiers now.
and a rasher…
and a couple of sausages….
and some mushrooms cooked in a sprinkle of salt and a few drops of soy sauce
and a fried cherry tomato (or 3)
and the flat of a fried onion….
Wholegrain toast with seeds…..
I’m a believer in lots of things like, the passing of time, or *looks out winbdow* blue skies, and green grass… and I also believe i just saw snow in the corner of the garden… in March !
I’m SAAAAAAAAAVED !
Hey, hey, hey!
I’m a believer, we could repeal if we tried
Nothing can justify it?
How about saving the life of the mother?
Or not forcing a 12 year old to carry her father’s baby…
Or not leaving a brain-dead woman on a life support machine while her body rots…
Or (If we’re going to talk about the religious’ obsession with Life Itself) not imprisoning somebody who helps their terminally ill spouse end their life with dignity.
Rather spend eternity in hell than an hour in heaven with you god bothering, curtain-twitching, sex-obsessed virginal saddo’s.
this
keep your rosaries off my ovaries, mate. If I want to doom myself to hell, that’s my fupping choice. Worry about your own soul. Anyway I can repent on my deathbed and it’s all forgiven.
Awoman and Amen!
Fairy tales are for children.
Is this the same Noel who did the painting? Busy chap, if it is
Painting? I need to know more about this.
If McGuirk is looking to backtrack, he should remove all traces first.
http://www.save8.ie/save_the_8th_launches_myabortionstory_platform_to_show_reality_of_legalised_abortion
Screenshot in case of hatchet job https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXytrhmW0AEK5QZ.jpg
https://twitter.com/john_mcguirk/status/971092670394269696
Pic of the “nursing certificates” claim by McGuirk
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXyvVyWX4AE-niy.jpg
This is a wild ride!
Here is Mr Pattern stating his most certainly did go to prison in Ireland and the UK. McGuirk has stated that he never went to prison.
http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/to-hell-and-back-for-abuse-victim-1-202121
There’s screenshots of the lad claiming he was 18 years in psychiatric nursing and Obstetrics…
I have no idea why anyone listens to or takes John McGurk seriously. He was in college the year above me. Barely got his degree, kicked out of Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, caused a whole pile of controversy from what I remember. Failed to get elected to the Student Union (I think he did get some obscure role later though that was unopposed) made a mess up of something to do with Lucinda Creighton, dabbled with Libertas, failed attempt to run for election himself in Monaghan etc etc. the guy is a mouthpiece. No doubt if they offered him enough cash and opportunity to be self important he would move to the Repeal side.
https://twitter.com/NursepollyRgn/status/973020358285676545?s=19
Updated. John McGuirk now admits Noel pattern is not a nurse. Pattern admits altering the cert to make it more readable. check out the Twitter link above for a demolition of the whole thing. This ain’t over.
thanks gorugeen