141 thoughts on “De Monday Papers

  1. newsjustin

    The front page story on the Times Ireland:

    “Politicians concerned the media’s Yes campaign could be undermined by internet.”

    1. Nigel

      Why would you worry about a campaign that is openly fraudulent using social.media to propogate their messages? We’ve got women to criticise for wearing t-shirts!

    2. david

      And what about the no side ?
      I would say because face book is the tool of youth tools will be posting fake reports about prolifers on face book

      1. some old queen

        Oh dear, the biggest proven data conspiracy in history and that is the best you can do?

        What will be interesting to see is how they nudged the profiled groups.

        1. Nigel

          Imagine if you suggested Pizzagate was a cute ruse to promote take-away menu regulation? He wouldn’t like that.

          1. some old queen

            This has huge implications not just for Facebook Ireland but the Irish authorities who will be responsible for enforcing the new social media EU regulations once the full extent is known.

        2. david

          Why not for control of the internet?
          Thanks to the internet in seconds world wide the nasty little things can be exposed
          The establishment do not like it ,so why not deliberately manipulate
          Study the power of the Nazis in their rise to power where they used propaganda to its maximum manipulating to an ends
          Lets face it they solved their Jewish problem by removing by consent of the German people the rights these German Jews enjoyed pre gas chamber by media and deception
          Imagine if the Irish government could establish censorship how little Leos pollit bureau could go into over drive
          Without the internet we would never of had WikiLeaks the Panama papers the paradise papers

          1. some old queen

            Nobody, at least not me, is arguing for state restrictions on the internet. But, in this case, data, including private messages, was harvested without consent then used to manipulate those very same people.

            If the nazis were around today (in such numbers), which side of this issue would they be on? Christopher Wylie has said he did not want to work for the alt right. Go figure.

      1. david

        Data mining is no conspiracy its data knowledge about us from eating habits to shopping habits profiles about every citizen including political beliefs
        All stored and ready for abuse by the establishment if needed
        I doubt this is a conspiracy
        ever wonder why suddenly in your email in box you have a company contacting you?
        Its a fact every time you surf the internet you are being monitored and that data available to marketing companies
        Take it to a new level like on this blog

        1. some old queen

          You clearly don’t understand the power of neural networks. This is way more than reading cookies on your local machine.

          1. jusayinlike

            SOQ every marketing and advertising company on the planet data mines, this not a conspiracy.

          2. some old queen

            Oh ffs. A sociopathic determination to modify the world to how you precive it is not actually going to change anything, it just makes the rest of us miserable when we encounter you?

          3. jusayinlike

            SOQ, CNN, The Podesta group and the Clinton foundation all data mine, it’s a marketing tool, everyone involved in digital media data mines, hit counters are a form of data mining.

  2. GiggidyGoo

    Leo’s ‘Spinning cat’ entourage due home soon. Straight into the the ‘Idiot Pointing’ festival. Even his Mammy could see through the spin at the beginning.

      1. Martco

        nah..more likely he just hates #pisstaketaoiseach’s

        oh probably also welfare cheats cos they cheat us all

      2. GiggidyGoo

        Ah the little Taunton yoke is back. Next question ‘who will be the next taoiseach?’ i suppose. Or any other question that has nothing to do with the article. FG sure have a plethora of Twunts.

      3. david

        little Leo verruca was born here, he is not an immigrant
        he is gay and so what ,I have a gay brother
        Mind you I detest varadka because of his lack of achievements
        He is no leader he is an administrator permitting he wholesale rape of our nation
        When we finally realise this paddy will scratch his arse and blame haughey

  3. Clampers Outside!

    Hillary Clinton, still not accepting that she lost the election, looked to blame women for her loss last week, saying women only voted with their husbands, that basically, they had no will of their own…. and now is trying to claw back, saying she was “misunderstood” in her latest Facebook post…

    LOLOLOLOLOL !

    https://m.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/?ref=content_filter#!/story.php?story_fbid=1863136670409520&id=889307941125736&__tn__=%2As%2As-R

    “During an interview last week with an Indian news publication, I was asked about 2016, and whether Trump is the “virus” or a “symptom” of something deeper going on in American society. Like most Americans, people overseas remain shocked and dismayed at what they are witnessing daily. My first instinct was to defend Americans and explain how Donald Trump could have been elected. I said that places doing better economically typically lean Democratic, and places where there is less optimism about the future lean Republican. That doesn’t mean the coasts versus the heartland, it doesn’t even mean entire states. In fact, it more often captures the divisions between more dynamic urban areas and less prosperous small towns within states. As I said throughout the campaign, Trump’s message was dark and backwards looking. I don’t need to list the reasons, but the foundation of his message, “Make America Great AGAIN” suggests that to be great we have to go back to something we are no longer. I never accepted that and never will. I’m from the Midwest. I had plans that, had I been elected, would have focused on the real needs of hard-working yet struggling Americans in every part of the country. Raising the minimum wage. Paid leave. Affordable college. Affordable, quality health care for everyone. Training for good jobs that don’t require a college degree. And giving workers a larger share of corporate profits and tax cuts. So far, Donald Trump has done nothing positive to ease the pain of the people who most strongly supported him, from the loss of jobs in coal country to the opioid epidemic to the tax bill that increases the debt by $1.5 trillion with a massive corporate tax cut, only 13% of which went to workers in the form of bonuses or pay raises. I was also asked about women, specifically white women, the majority of whom have not voted for Democrats in recent history. I did better with them than previous Democratic nominees, but still lost them overall to a candidate who relies on scare tactics and false attacks, masking the fact that he is otherwise no friend to most Americans. I also mentioned something in passing that’s gotten a lot of negative attention: that there is anecdotal evidence and some research to suggest that women are unfortunately more swayed by men than the other way around. As much as I hate the possibility, and hate saying it, it’s not that crazy when you think about our ongoing struggle to reach gender balance – even within the same household. I did not realize how hard it would hit many who heard it. I was out there having a conversation, and this was one piece of a larger point about how Democrats need to do better with white women, because I know in my heart that Democrats have much more to offer them. Do I believe that some women look at a powerful woman and question whether she can lead, maybe voting for the man their husband is voting for instead? It may not be universally true or easy to hear, but yes, it’s a dynamic still at play in our society. I know this because even I spent parts of my life wondering if I could achieve the same as male leaders, and a lot of that insecurity stemmed from my gender and how society views women. When I was serving in various roles in public life, I was always more popular when I was working for or defending a man then when I was out there on my own. That’s the point I was making, in an effort to explain to an audience some of the many dynamics that have gone into these tumultuous last few years. I understand how some of what I said upset people and can be misinterpreted. I meant no disrespect to any individual or group. And I want to look to the future as much as anybody. But our future requires us to learn from 2016. We need to protect our election systems from intrusion by Russia or anyone else. We need to combat voter suppression and the propagation of fake and misleading news. I fear we are not doing anywhere near enough on those fronts, and I know we can do better. I love our country every bit as much as a private citizen as I did as a candidate, Secretary of St”

    Plse Hillary… stop digging you Muppet :)

    Make up your own mind, here is that interview:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gqJIR-gXExQ

    1. bisted

      …crooked Hillary…you lost…a lot of innocent people are alive in the world today because you lost…

      1. Nigel

        You should check out how many civilians were killed last year by US and US coalition strikes compared to previous years. Trump’s proposed response to the opioid epidemic is going to include the death penalty because he’s such a fan of Duterte. You idiots got played so hard.

        1. bisted

          …we idiots didn’t snatch defeat from the jaws of victory…indeed, calling people who don’t share your opinion idiots may have been a significant factor in the defeat of crooked Hillary…

          1. Nigel

            No I think subsequent events have proven you were all idiots and that explains Trump’s win.

        2. david

          The death penalty for dealing opioids
          Maybe tour a few areas in Dublin where druggs are rampant and ask the victims of these drug dealers about death penalties for the purveyors of long lingering death
          I would say many would agree in the death sentance

          1. Nigel

            Exactly it’s a stupid blood-thirsty appeal to his base that will do feck all for the crisis.

    2. Nigel

      Her articulate and obviously painful examination of the election are at odds with your cheap sideline mockery and ugly bad-faith trolling and mischaracterisation. So situation normal there.

      1. f_lawless

        “I understand how some of what I said upset people and can be misinterpreted. I meant no disrespect to any individual or group.” Who does she think she’s kidding? She labeled about half of the electorate as “deplorables”!
        For goodness sake Nigel, you’re making yourself look foolish by trying to defend that.

        1. Nigel

          She didn’t but someone else said Trump could shoot someone in broad daylight and his base would still vote for him imagine that apoalling disrespect for Trump voters.

          1. f_lawless

            ok to be exact she called half of Trump supporters a ‘basket of deplorables’. Over 60 million Americans voted for Trump. But you go ahead, keep dancing away on that pinhead.

          2. Nigel

            As flawless there agreed – she didn’t. Meanwhile Trump mocked a person with physical disabilities in front of a huge crowd and boasted of sexually assaulting women but for some reason what Clinton said was worse, as if there’s some invisible multiplier effect at work?

          3. Clampers Outside!

            “Meanwhile….”

            When losing, throw in a spanner…. LOL!

            Trump the Dump got elected because of Hillary. As said before, BECAUSE Hillary ran a divisive campaign, as acknowledged by the Dems themselves.

          4. Nigel

            No Trump won because the right supported him in spite of him doing a hundred things any one of which would have sunk any other candIdate while Clinton was, to give one example, crucified on a daily basis in the headlines over emails. Massive, rank hypocrisy and double standards. Meanwhile the left got suckered by divide and conquer tactics, eg, you.

        2. some old queen

          @ f_lawless. The reason she used the word ‘deplorables’ was because that is how Trump previously described veterans selling flags and stuff outside Trump Towers when he was trying to have them moved on. The media omitted to make that point of course.

          At least do your research eh?

          1. f_lawless

            I’m struggling to find a word to best describe your rather unique brand of logical reasoning. It’s depl.. no, I can’t do it!

          2. Nigel

            I feel your pain. I’m still struggling with the logic whereby that one thing said by Clinton still somehow manages to get used as an example that’s worse than every single thing said and done by Trump combined.

          3. f_lawless

            there you go again trying to reduce things down to Trump vs Clinton. It is possible to critically assess Clinton without the need to bring up Trump you know. Good night

          4. some old queen

            I’ll pull the link to the word ‘deplorable’ when back on a laptop but yes, it’s origin is pretty disgusting. Begging veterans of all people.

          5. Nigel

            ‘NOBODY compared Hillary’s rants to Trump but you Nigel.’

            Yes, you desperately want to avoid such comparisons. You certainly didn’t make them during the election when you were laser-focused on attacking Clinton and ostentatiously ignoring Trump as much as possible.

            And flawless, yes, I know you don’t want to examine the disproportionate treatment of Trump and Clinton and how she is even more hated now because she refuses to be scapegoated for Trump’s victory. I do, though. That’s what interests me, because it’s almost certainly the dynamic that the right will try to replicate in upcoming elections: ignore Trump’s appalling behaviour, obvious unsuitability and the corruption of his administration, overwhelmingly attack left candidates for any flaw or inflated issue or hot-button stuff like ‘identity politics.’ And they can rely on people like you and Clamps and loads of others who will disavow Trump, but nonetheless to join right in.

    3. david

      She really is a bitter little excuse of humanity
      Imagine her In bills ovary office
      the world would be at war at this stage
      She really is an abomination travelling the world slagging off her countrymen and women and her president
      Well toxic H when you call half the country a basket of deplorable then do not expect their vote

        1. david

          Yes abomination
          Check out her Clinton foundation and who she funds
          For example leaked by wiki leaks
          When the disaster hit Haiti
          The Clinton foundation funded thousands of mobile phones for the victims
          They say man cannot live by bread alone
          Then they provided funds to build accommodation for the victims
          A luxury Hyatt regency hotel 5 star
          Both projects benefitted no other than Denis O’Brien’s empire
          His company runs the Hyatt regency hotel as well as the phone company digicel
          She really should be in Dallas playing the poisoned dwarf

          1. Nigel

            Given Trump’s handling of Puerto Rico this is actually kind of obscene, all the disproportionate hatred focused on a woman, such that it’s impossible to distinguish valid criticism from deep-fried right-wing propaganda.

          2. Nigel

            Her own words which you somehow managed to twist to say something they didn’t as if you’re a hostile bad faith interpreter.

          3. david

            Nigel Puerto Rico is not a US state
            Its an over seas territory
            Maybe look at the government of Puerto rico to see the mess they made of their country
            The corruption ensured they did slightly better than Haiti
            Which trump called a s? hole

          4. Nigel

            David who goes into ecstacy ex of outrage over ‘Varadka’ and the homeless defends Trump’s appalling and deadly mishandling of Puerto Rico.

    4. some old queen

      Clamps, Trump is up to his neck in stolen data and you are still shouting ‘crooked Hillary’? Seriously, are you stuck in some sort of early dementia type time warp? Do try to keep up dear.

      1. david

        Is he now?
        What data?

        So the USA is so backwards its unable to defend its self against Russia
        Putin this putin that
        Reds under the bed
        For god sake you sound Like a cross between merkin muffley and the mad general who launched the nuclear strike in doctor Strangelove
        Watch out the commies are putting stuff in our water to mess with our bodily fluids

        1. Nigel

          Nobody mentioned Russia oddly enough. Did you miss the news about Cambridge Analytica? You sound kinda ignorant.

        1. Nigel

          Attempting to pick apart her words to formulate ridiculous personal attacks on the person who lost the election reflects a deep-seated need to justify your blatantly stupid and destructive stance during the election.

          1. Nigel

            No problem whatsoever doing just that; you’re all cut from the same cloth with this weird need to let the right control the conversation as if still labouring under the delusion that there’s good faith there.

          2. Clampers Outside!

            Nigel, read the links, and her own ex-campaign manager who said the Dems need to distance themselves from her.

            Your delusional assertions that this is a republican plot or something to that affect is toooooooo funny :)

          3. david

            Like varadka bragging to the world how he rang up planning on Donald’s behalf regarding a wind farm?
            By the way that said company I believe are planning to sue the Irish taxpayer regarding governmental interference
            Varadka admitted he involved himself in a planning process on behalf of a businessman
            Not even Lowry was thick enough to brag in front of the worlds press

          4. Clampers Outside!

            “with this weird need to let the right control the conversation”

            …like some republican plot, yeah?

            You wrote that Nigel, and so it’d appear you’re now having a go at yourself… bless you, may Menus bless you dearly… LOL!

          5. Nigel

            No. Not a plot. What’s wrong with you? There’s no plot it’s just a creepy continued deference to the right instead of standing up for themselves. Distancing themselves from Clinton’s words is typical Democrat craven concession to the rIght.

          6. Nigel

            One reason for this resurgent attack on Clinton, despite there being no indication that she intends to run again, is this notion that she’s being divisive and elitist simply because she has the temerity to criticise the message of her opponent, a notion that will be carried through to whoever does run, a completely untenable notion in a political campaign, yet here we are.

          7. Clampers Outside!

            Em… if she ain’t gonna run, she has no opponent.

            Nothing ‘resurgent’ about this.Shes on tour, a calamity tour by the look of it as she makes gaff after gaff.

          8. Nigel

            She gets hyper-scrutinised and hyper-criticised and those criticisms get repeated by people like you who seems to have difficulty with any concept more complicated than a LOL.

          9. Nigel

            Again, you can’t actually manage a response that isn’t pantomime. You are utterly unable to argue your case despite your opinions being so definitive and trenchant and supposedly completely obvious.

        2. some old queen

          Yes you have been saying that for a long time too except Hillary is not running the country, Trump is. Why such focus on a losing candidate when there is such a bad smell emerging from his campaign?

          1. Nigel

            You ain’t the boss of this thread. The fact that a year and a bit on with Trump the spectacle he is you’re still obsessing on Clinton is entirely noteworthy.

          2. Clampers Outside!

            “Clinton’s former 2008 campaign manager was critical of the comments during an appearance with HLN’s SE Cupp.

            “Look, this was bad. I can’t sugarcoat it,” Patti Solis Doyle said. “She was wrong and clearly it’s not helpful to Democrats going into the midterms and certainly not going into 2020. She’s put herself in a position where Democrats are going to have to distance themselves from these remarks and distance themselves from her, particularly those Democrats that are running in the states that Donald Trump won.”

            https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/14/politics/trump-state-democrats-want-no-part-of-clintons-backwards-bite/index.html

          3. Nigel

            So? Every tiny thing she says is magnified everything Trump says gets lost in the noise of every other thing Trump says. Ridiculous double standard.

          4. Yep

            I think you two should arrange a day hike somewhere when the weather improves.

            Get it all out face to face and put an end to this pointless exercise. You could get Dave along too. Maybe get him one of those Fallons spelling books.

    5. petey

      “Hillary Clinton, still not accepting that she lost the election”

      67,000,000 > 64,000,000
      thanks for playing, clampit.

      1. Clampers Outside!

        Argue that if you wish, she’s not in the hot seat. It doesn’t change the fact.

        if you have issue with how the US electoral system is operated, say so.
        But that doesn’t change the fact that as the system stands, she lost.

        Thanks for playing Petey.

        1. some old queen

          No, that is how Cambridge Analytica targeted specific demographics in swing states with stolen data.

          They were also behind a lot of the hype that it was a near guaranteed win to Democratic supporters therefore no reason to go out and vote. Again, something that couldn’t be have been done without illegal data which Bannon had no right to use.

          This really is getting old Clamps.

        2. some old queen

          And that’s all this is to you half dozen clowns eh? Playing a game. Ego ego ego. I am right and you are wrong. Repeat repeat repeat hillary hillary hillary. What about now? Ah sure we’ll get around to that soon. Trump? Who? Who’s he again?

          There’s more current topics being discussed in OAP homes.

          1. some old queen

            Check the news this morning eh? Ah it’s not about Hillary Clamps so you would have no interest.

          2. Clampers Outside!

            Jaysus SOQ, what happened you eh?
            You’re like a bad copy of Nigel at this point, obsessed with Hillary and going into spasms whenever someone points out what a joke she is, and accusing people of being Trump supporters for not supporting her.

            BTW, just to check I just googled her name for a laugh, and she’s still in the news with NPR, CNBC and Fox all running stories in the last ten hours…. seems you’re mistaken.

          3. mildred st. meadowlark

            Darling, soq is not the one who is obsessed with Hillary.

            YOU are the one who keeps bringing her up, and – surprise, surprise – it was you who brought her up on this thread.

          4. Clampers Outside!

            I did start the thread Milly, it was in the news.

            But, seriously, look who went bananas in the thread…. the usual lad was quite incensed that anyone say anything bad about his heroine, which is why the thread exploded, and ended with himself throwing in personal swipes, and comparisons to the orange headed yoke, as if that made Hillary a saint or something. It was quite a thing :)

  4. Matt Lucozade: The Only Reader of the Village

    What? No front page coverage of Vogue WIlliams’s pregnancy (Translation: “Fit While Pregant” series in newspaper, book, BS Staying In Tomorrow?, accouncements imminent).

  5. rotide

    If there’s one thing more fascinating than Irish or european people using the phrase ‘crooked hillary’, its the fact people are still even talking about Hillary Clinton as if she’s in any way relevant to anything

    1. bisted

      …I’m Irish…I always thought ‘crooked Hillary’ was particularly appropriate and desciptive…to lose the US presidential election was fairly monumental…to get Trump as ‘collateral damage’ was possibly also appropriate…go US…go NSA…go eMail…

    2. Nigel

      Just to note: Robert Mercer, who owns CA, a huge donor to and supporter of Trump, gave CA’s services for free to Farage for the Brexit campaign, which landed us with the current border mess. We can’t pretend we’re not affected by this stuff.

      1. mildred st. meadowlark

        Really?

        Do you have a link to share Nigel? I’d be very interested in reading.

        Also I’d love to kick Farage in the face.

        1. Nigel

          This is from a year ago – it’s been known for a while.
          https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/26/us-billionaire-mercer-helped-back-brexit

          ‘The communications director of Leave.eu, Andy Wigmore, told the Observer that the longstanding friendship between Nigel Farage and the Mercer family led Mercer to offer his help – free – to the Brexit campaign because of their shared goals. Wigmore said that he introduced Farage and Leave.eu to Cambridge Analytica: “They were happy to help. Because Nigel is a good friend of the Mercers. And Mercer introduced them to us. He said, ‘Here’s this company we think may be useful to you’. What they were trying to do in the US and what we were trying to do had massive parallels. We shared a lot of information.”’

          Farage face-kicking – sounds like fun.

      2. rotide

        Oh we’re affected by big data and it’s effects alright.

        However, Hillary Clinton and her questionable ‘crooked’ deeds have fping nothing to do with us whatsoever.

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