Tearing Them Down

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In Limerick city…

Kevin Kiely Jnr writes:

I encountered an individual tearing down ‘Vote Yes’ posters…

According to ROSA, the posters cost €6 each.

97 thoughts on “Tearing Them Down

  1. Ron Dolan

    Already came across this earlier.

    The guy should be done for vandalism and littering. Might even be a caution for attempted assault.

    Utter scumbag.

    On a slight tangent though, Limerick is looking lovely these days, been a while since I was there!

    1. Col

      I actually thought it was illegal to take down someone else’s posters? Maybe that’s just general elections or something, but I’ve definitely heard that. Anyone know if this is the case?

      1. LeopoldGloom

        They’re also not supposed to go up more than 30 days before a polling day, but again maybe that’s just general elections and if so, the No said really jumped the gun

  2. Nigel

    Repealer
    You’re a vandal
    Attacking purple posters that don’t say No
    The fella
    With the camera
    You’ll take him with you now, where’er you go
    While ripping down some posters in the morning
    Someone shot a vid
    Of you being a holy show
    Limerickman
    You’re a tosser
    I hope you have to pay
    For each one you throw.

      1. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

        I don’t get it.
        Is that because I’m a young wan and it’s an old reference, asked she hopefully?

  3. Cian

    I thought that only baby-killers pulled down posters? and the innocent save-the-8th would never do something like that?

    1. newsjustin

      No. There’s scumbags of all persuasions removing and vandalising posters. This guy is a scumbag for what he’s doing. Fair play for challenging him Kevin.

      1. realPolithicks

        You keep saying that everyone is doing this. The only evidence I have seen is that the anti-choice side are doing it, can you please provide some evidence to back up your claim that the pro choice side is also doing this.

          1. Daisy Chainsaw

            Really “EmmaMurphy12150”? S/he is a sock account and as dishonest as the day is long.

      2. Cian

        If a poster (regardless of the message) is obstructing a traffic light – can it be removed?

  4. dav

    Why is anybody surprised, they want to control women’s reproductive rights, of course they will censor the fight for those rights.

  5. Hansel

    Hate being a spoilsport but….wasn’t Broadsheet displaying the humourous defacing of the “no” posters yesterday?

    Tearing down referendum posters is bad.
    Defacing referendum posters is also bad.

    I’m a little uneasy with Broadsheet on this one.

    1. IonaLotOfProblems

      @Hansel Do you believe the upcoming referendum is a licence to kill?
      Or does this statement have more to do with James Bond than the 8th?

      1. Hansel

        @IonaLotOfProblems: I don’t believe the upcoming referendum is anything other than a referendum.
        I disagree with the feelings of one of the sides.

        But I strongly believe they have a right to put their views forward. It’s the responsibility of “my” side to prove their views wrong, rather than to shut them up.

        FWIW, I’m not convinced that posters will be a major strategic decider in this referendum.

        1. IonaLotOfProblems

          Ok… so you believe that posters won’t have a strategic decider.
          Do you think if one side had posters and the other didn’t, that it would have an impact?

          I’m convinced posters with misinformation regarding what we are voting for should be challenged.

          1. DD

            Challenging posters is fine, defacing and/or tearing them down is not.

            All referenda see spurious claims on posters, all elections too.

          2. Hansel

            Sorry, did I forget to use the words “this referendum”? Because i was talking about this referendum. You know, with both sides motivated heavily by emotion and effectively campaigning for months. As opposed to your theoretical one, where one side puts up posters and the other doesn’t.

            I agree with you that misinformation should be challenged. The people who spread misinformation should be vilified. But I don’t think censorship will succeed: think of the Streisand effect.

    2. david

      Who places posters at that level?
      I would say a photo shoot by repeaters trying to make it out the pro life side are tearing down posters.
      Mind you he looks a bit like a Russian

      1. newsjustin

        I’ve seen the same posters at similarly low levels elsewhere in the country. Face height. Doesn’t excuse tampering with them.

        #peoplewithnoladdersforrepeal
        #littlepeopletogetherforyes

    3. painkiller

      The site banner has been the Repeal logo for many days now. At least they are upfront about it. My guess is they look the other way – ends justify means. Notice there is a more concentrated and opinionated group commenting on the Repeal threads also, so debate is not as moderate as usual…

      1. Daisy Chainsaw

        Maybe they can use some foetus gore porn, beloved of ICBR. Maybe there’s more comments for repeal because more people are for repeal… did you ever consider that? Most of the antichoice twitter accounts are Eamon Reilly talking to himself.

        1. painkiller

          Taking it down a notch yet again. Maybe it’s a nice evening for a walk, you know…clear the head

          People are more divided on this one than you estimate. At the core, most people want to find a solution that ensures there is no repeat of what happened to Savita Halappanavar. Not everyone is comfortable with placing no value on the unborn – it’s a grey area.

          1. Cian

            I wouldn’t think a walk would help clear her head – especially as there are posters on every other pole.

      2. mildred st. meadowlark

        Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe the reason debate and support is so heavily weighted on one side is that more people support the repealing of the 8th amendment? It could be that simple.

        It could just be possible that people believe in giving women the right to choose, trusting her to know what is the best decision for her and that it is reflected here and elsewhere in social media.

        It could be that.

        1. painkiller

          If I vote in favour of Repeal, as I’m inclined to (I am in favour of empowering people in their choices), I still disagree with the notion that there should be nothing shameful about the decision to terminate the development of a foetus. There are obviously clear cut exceptions but they aren’t as common as the Repeal side would have us believe. if there is no weight or negative stigma attached to that decision, we lose some of our humanity as a people. Not sure I’ll get any agreement with this point, alas.

          1. Cian

            Painkiller.
            I agree that choosing shouldn’t be taken lightly (and I doubt if it ever is) but o all the emotions that one may feel considering an abortion (or after having one) why do you think that shame is appropriate?

            Loss, fear, sorrow, pain – yes, but shame?

          2. painkiller

            @Cian, because we were raised in a society that asks us to be better than that…and it’s not just the old Catholic guilt thing.

            Some of the feelings you describe would make more sense in the context of a miscarriage – i.e. attachment.

  6. Truth in the News

    Its well past time that any posters from any side are stopped, at every election the place is littered
    with posters and who exactly is persuaded by any of them, I’m surprised that all the people that
    complained about plastic bays…i.e the green lobby haven’t ran a campaign to get rid of the
    practice, and the same goes large adds in newspapers.
    And the practice that allows free time on the broadcast media needs to got rid of too, let those
    want to debate their arguments do so through normal media channel’s

    1. ReproBertie (SCU)

      I’ve long thought that instead of posters there should be an election commission set up for all elections. Candidates would supply them with a single page outlining why we should vote for them. All pages appropriate to a constituency would be assembled into a booklet which would be distributed to all households in the constituency. That way people get information about the candidates and we’re spared their airbrushed faces grinning down at us for weeks.

      1. Hansel

        Yes, 100% agreed.

        And yet (scarily enough) in studies, where ONLY those airbrushed faces were put before voters from different areas, they could pick/predict the winner.

        We’re a very flawed species alright.

    2. david

      And sticking them on roads do distract drivers and we all know
      Distraction answering phone and drinking just three can cause accidents and loss of life

    3. Conor

      Wholly agreed. So frustrating seeing it. Lived in 4 other countries during an election / referendum and posters simply don’t exist. Apart from advertising billboards. I imagine there would be uproar if a party started plastering posters on every street light.

      I hate coming back to Dublin and thousands of them everywhere. And those plastic ties left around. GRRRRRR

  7. Andy

    Honestly, I think the two sides should just have a fight. Televised with Batman fight words.

    BAM!
    BanG!
    KAPOW!
    SWISH!
    SWOOSH!
    THUNK!
    POW!

    That would be cool. And more interesting that having constant propaganda thrown in your face all day long by incessant bores on social media.

    1. Ron Dolan

      I do not see a ‘KER-PLOW’ there Andy.

      Damn ker-plowists everywhere these days!

      :)

      You must be an alt-centrist!

      1. Andy

        Wow, I can’t believe I forgot that one.

        Maybe we could save “KER-PLOW” for the final death punch which results in a winner.

  8. postmanpat

    No matter what side you’re on, you have to bare in mind that all these plastic posters will ultimately end up in landfill or the sea. In the so #called #information #age that you can #like on #facebook etc. Shouldn’t this type of canvassing be banned? Do team ‘Yes’ have a clean up policy after the referendum? will they get in a huff if they lose and find that volunteers cant be found ? . Of course the ‘No’ crowd are your typical, have to eat red meat every day , rasher and sausage fry up every morning old fashioned diesel guzzler driving breeders who couldn’t give a s***e about the environment so I wouldn’t count on them properly disposing or this plastic waste , win or lose. But Id hope the Yes team are more progressive. Anyone from ROSA around to give details of how they will dispose of the posters afterward?

    1. TheRealJane

      Good, yeah. Physically, he was fine throughout – no hyperemesis, blood pressure problems, piles, SPD, hardly knew he was pregnant. Birth went without a hitch, didn’t feel a thing, no intervention needed, no episiotomy or anything. Walk in the park.

      After that, the baby disappeared and he just got on with his life. No PND, leaky breasts, no need for maternity leave. His career and finances are exactly the same as if it had never happened and thankfully, he has avoided persistent incontinence and all that.

      Really, like all pregnancies, he just waited it out and then it was all over with no physical, emotional, social or financial consequences for him. I mean, that must be why he thinks that women need to just wait out pregnancies for a few weeks if they’re unwanted because in fairness, you just hand the baby over and go on as if nothing happened.

      Selfish not to, really.

      1. Ron Dolan

        Hmmm….as a man I am starting to think this whole pregnancy thing is a lot more involved than we were taught in Catholic School.

        Who knew?

        :|

  9. Jimmey_russell

    i’m physically sick with anger right now, I really hope he is found and stabbed to death

    1. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

      You remind me of that episode of the West Wing where Jed Bartlet asks “What is the virtue of a proportionate response?”.

  10. Bertie Blenkinsop

    “the posters cost €6 each”

    As a printer, this is the most shocking part….

    1. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

      Imagine the people selling them saying “cost” with a huge dirty wink, possibly sticking their tongue out of one side of their mouth at the same time.

  11. rotide

    This is getting annoying. The 007 post yesterday was funny but I really wouldn’t give a toss if the poster was ripped down. I also don’t give a toss when these ones are ripped down.

    There’s plenty to be outraged about with the constant daily OMG DERE TAKIN OUR POSTERS posts. Like Bertie said, the cost of them is more outrageous than people ripping them down.

    ROSA would be better off spending more time buying a ladder to put them up higher so they can’t be just brushed off instead of coming up with hyperbolic rubbish like the shaming women angle.

  12. painkiller

    Not very classy. Easier solution; no posters, no propaganda and everyone is better off. Then set guidelines that RTE adhere to in order to demonstrate a neutral position in its current affairs coverage and live debates.

    A nice road back from this insanity.

  13. SOQ

    My guess is that guy has issues around abortion for very personal reasons.

    One thing never discussed (so far) is the part that men play in all of this. I do not agree that men should be lecturing women on this issue because they are the ones literally left holding the baby but, what happens when she for whatever legitimate reason can’t or won’t have the child, but he feels aggrieved?

    Don’t jump on me here lads, I’m just throwing the question out there. There are reasons why more men than women are anti choice so it is worth exploring why is all.

    1. Jimmey_russell

      men have literally NO say in this, the only reason men want a say in this is because they want to control what women do and thing, well days of men banding together, politicians, gardai and the clergy to control and dominate women are OVER, it’s criminal that men are allowed to vote on this issue how is that even right?

      1. painkiller

        Ah come on. Fairness is judged on a case by case basis rather than some system that awards power based on an empirical oppressor-oppressed scoreboard. There is a reason the term regressive left kicks about…

      2. rotide

        Part of Jimmy’s talent is that it’s increasingly harder to tell him and Daisy/realjane apart

        1. Nigel

          Hmm. There’s a whole lot of reaching for equivalence going on here. Jimmy has to say all that parody-SJW stuff because generally SJWs don’t say it themselves, not here anyway. Newsjustin handwrings about both sides whenever the No campaign do anything horrible and someone below even takes the trouble to ask after the other side’s equivalent of Jordan Peterson. People really need both sides to be morally indistinguishable because to acknowledge that a lot of progress is achieved by activists banging themselves bloody against brick walls, while other activists actually pushing back against progress is also effectIve, argues against cynicism and complacency.

    2. The Ghost of Starina

      Personally i feel that the reason there’s a higher percentage of anti-choice among men is a) lack of empathy because they don’t have to personally experience pregnancy so it could seem much more cut-and-dry as pure theory and b) some (esp the older set) see women as less logical than men, more unreliable, more petty, weaker. Which is crazy cos if you don’t trust a woman to make a reproductive decision why would you trust her to raise a human being to adulthood?! But would love to hear from the lads what they’ve heard from other men about it.

      As for the choice being made in a relationship – that’s down to the individual couple concerned. Similar to any other major decisions made with or without the agreement of the other partner – it involves the balance of trust, communication, etc. Ideally the couple would be in complete agreement without regret, resentment or coersion but ultimately it’s the woman’s body.

      1. TheRealJane

        I think women in relationships normally do discuss it, when it’s safe to do so.

        It’s interesting to use the phrase “holding the baby” in this context. I genuinely believe that loads of men genuinely have no idea at all of the toll and risks associated with pregnancy for women. It’s still the #1 killer of women worldwide.

        1. rotide

          I wasn’t aware this referendum was being run in sub Saharan Africa?

          Saying that pregnancy is a bigger killer than say , cancer, in a developed country is flat out lying.

          1. Cian

            More nope… According to WHO ‘preterm birth complications’ is #6 in “low-income countries” with ‘Maternal conditions’ coming in at #9; if you add these together it would ‘only’ be #4.

        2. SOQ

          This guy is being outed in a fairly obvious manner and we don’t know the circumstances but is there justification for his anger towards posters?

          1. SOQ

            I wonder what his partner feels about his anger towards her termination being broadcasted all over the Internet?

          1. mildred st. meadowlark

            Stop striding around, cutting through our swathes of hyperbolic comments with your facts, Cian.

          2. Cian

            Sorry Mildred. I forgot the unwritten rule that all debates on abortion must never be based on fact.

  14. karlypants

    Watched one too many Jordan Peterson videos before he ate his bowl of toenail clippings this morning

    1. painkiller

      And who is the equivalent of Peterson on the other side of the morality and fairness debate? It takes more than posturing, stereotyping and false equivalency to best him, as Cathy Newman learned.

      Take your time..

        1. painkiller

          Unfortunately, I would say…

          Until relatively recently, there was a libertarian left and they tended to have the good questions, the good points and the handle on things. It’s hard to say what happened over the last few years, maybe libertarians are too free-spirited for the new whipped-up left that has come to set highly divisive in our narratives culture or maybe they cannot speak for the left anymore given the emerging demands to dogmatically conform with the latest intersectionality proposition on the left.

          But Daisy, I don’t think you care about whether the mechanics of our democracy is leads us down a more totalitarian road because for you, the ends is everything. Winning is everything.

          Feel free to call me paranoid conspiracy hack if this is flying over your head. And you’re not as PC as you think k – yesterday you callously used people with disability to further you political position.

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