This morning/afternoon.
Alexander Hotel, Dublin 2
Independent TDs Mattie McGrath (pic 2 left) and Michael Healy Rae (pic 2 chatting with Sinead Slattery, who is eight months pregnant) at the launch of the LoveBoth campaign.
The campaign, headed by Cora Sherlock (pic 3), is looking for a ‘No’ vote in the forthcoming Eighth Amendment abortion referendum.
Earlier: Loving Yes And No Both
Love Both launches Eighth Amendment campaign (RTÉ)
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What an odd little country we are. Feel free to copy and paste that first sentence to 75% of broadsheet posts.
The morning/afternoon?
Relax, they’re just words, harmless words at that.
Nah – the part about us being ‘an odd little country’
Are you a woman of child bearing age?
Are you against repeal of the 8th (or dont care)?
Are you not Katie Anscough because we really are wearing out our welcome there?
Then come on down for free tea and biscuits because we could really really really do with more than 4 this time!
Edit: Never mind, Katie is there
Over 100,000 Irish women have traveled to the UK since 1983 for an abortion.
What these plonkers are campaigning for is to continue to burden their fellow citizens with the expense of travelling to another jurisdiction for this procedure.
That’s the strongest “yes” argument I’ve seen.
…it works out[1] that one in eight Irish women have had an abortion!
Between 1980 and 2016 an estimated 137,000[3] Irish resident women had about 169,000 abortions in the UK.
Those born between 1961 and 1976 are included since the availability covered the majority of their fertile years (19-40).
[1] based on the official UK abortion figures for between 1980 and 2016.
[2] Irish women that have had access to the UK for the majority of their fertile years – i.e. from 18 through 40. NB less than 10% of abortions are for women under 19 or over 40.
[3] assuming that the Irish rates of second and subsequent abortions is similar to the UK
Yep, now stick that on an ad and away you go: “of every eight women you know, one has had to go to the UK to get an abortion because they couldn’t get it here”.
It is probably also true[1] that for every one out of every eight men you meet – their partner has had an abortion.
[1] unless there are a small number of hugely fertile, enormously promiscuous men that are causing all these crisis pregnancies.
I’m thinking of my close circle of friends. Around a quarter of them have had abortions. And I don’t think that’s very unusual.
@andyourpointiswhatexactly yeah about the same for me – that i know of.
I’m not sure Cian. With rapists, the larger ratio of men to women at childbearing age, those aforementioned few enormously promiscuous men, those pregnant women who won’t ever have a partner.
On average you’re probably right, but it’s a bit like those “how many sexual partners” surveys, we can only guess.
Andyourpointiswhatexactly?, think of the 1-in-8 statistic, that’s for all women since ’61. You’re online, therefore likely younger, born in the easy-to-travel and easy-to-get-info generation, so it makes sense that your friends are bringing that ratio up. Someone born in ’61 might not know as many at all.
Hansel, I’m not sure you are correct.
If I split the abortion count in half time-wise I get 1980-1998: 47%; and 1999-2016: 53%
But to counteract this the population has been increasing drastically. In 1981 there were 620,000 women (aged 19-45); by 2011 there were 965,000 women (aged 19-45). So a much larger cohort of women are having slightly more abortions.
* as mentioned below – these numbers exclude abortion pills – so the 1:8 ratio is reasonably steady.
Don’t forget abortion pills too. That, I’m sure, would throw your 1 in 8 figure off by a considerable margin but there’s probably few statistics available for them.
edalicious,
You are correct – it doesn’t include abortion pills. It also doesn’t include abortion in any other EU countries. But I believe that these two are a more recent phenomenon and won’t skew the numbers too much.
The 1-in-8 is definitely a conservative figure.
Oh yeah, good point. Presumably the pills are more of thing since internet shopping became more commonplace.
edalicious,
honestly – I don’t know. I haven’t seen any data on abortion pills.
I have read articles that talk about the reduction in Irish women going to the UK for abortions – and saying that some of this is because of abortion pills. There are also news reports on the numbers of pills seized by customs… but nothing concrete.
Would you at least take off your hat when indoors, eh?
I think that every time I see him. Ignorant lout.
It’s part of his brand.
There’s more Ireland outside the M50 you know! (or something).
and having worked in a shop/pub on mart day I know most would take their hat off when they came indoors
That cute hoorism drives me MINTIL! It’s as put on as a D4 accent.
Healy Rae thinks the fairies cause potholes. His opinion on my uterus is like negative points.
Is this the Healy Rae who was very upset to hear a minister talk about love and repeal because the dead baby in the boot of the car felt no love? Or was that the brother?
I’m not sure, they’re sort of interchangeable to me
Michael is the one with more teeth
and the cap
Danny is the lad that believes the Fairy Folk are to blame
for everything
Of course Healy Rae is in the thick of it. Jesus probably told him to go.
Financed by the Catholic Church who claim to care for people whilst simultaneously standing unapologeticly over genocide.
Vile hypocrites..
What do you mean by “financed by the Catholic Church”?
Are you saying that ordinary people, that happen to be RC, are financing this?
Or the RC is actively collecting money from it’s members and is managing the financing?
Or the RC is financing this from existing war-chests (from within Ireland)?
Or the RC is financing this from existing monies (from the Vatican)?
or something else?
What a silly question.
If people are collecting monies under the banner of the church and claiming to be mindful of people’s lives, that is hypocritical.
The RCC through its lay societies US financing every part of this vile no campa
* campaign*
As opposed to….
If people are collecting monies under the banner Atlantic Philanthropies or any organisation linked to the Open Society and claiming to be mindful of people’s lives, that is hypocritical.
Would have thought it odd for a philanthropic organisation to be collecting money? AP is closed and gone btw.
@ Cian
Can you please address my questions in the 4/20 post.
I’ve no idea what the “4/20 post” means. Can you provide a link?
I though it was this one: https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/04/18/free-tomorrow-39/ but I can’t see any questions there.
“this is a new one, even for you..”
I asked you to elaborate on that.. what do you mean by ” even for you “???
um. again, still no idea what you mean. If you mean this one:
jusayinlike
April 18, 2018 at 2:38 pm
” This is a new one, even for you..”
Care to elaborate on that Rob?
um…. that you asked Rob[1]?
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/04/18/free-tomorrow-39/#comment-1948684
[1] I’m not Rob.
that’s some serious eyeballing there between Mick HR and Sinead Slattery
Anyone else confused about this Campaign? Was the “loveboth” logo simply to work in the 8 digit? are we to love both decisions? As for Healy Rae…Condoning Drink Driving and fairies. You’re grand thanks.
and denying climate change… Sure it is not happening here. That is only happening in England too because of their wanton ways… LOL
Is the big banner to block out the old people down the back from the shot?
Is that Hyacinth Bucket at back right in the last pic?!
Behind the thin veneer of young, trendy women of childbearing age.
Which one is the trainee mid-wife in the non-existent mid-wife college in DCU… no wait, it was a trainee nurse… no wait, she was really still in secondary school.
Hmmm, wonder how long this comment will stay up.
healy rae and mcgrath, any sane person should automatically oppose anything these clowns are in favor of.
Keeping Kerry in the dark ages..
sad
Love Both? Def spelling mistake, they meant Love Boat I think.
Ha…Very good
I’m interested in their proposals to love women in a crisis pregnancy situation.
Sadly, I don’t know the details yet.
Does anyone?
he would probably leave his cap on for that too..
Let’s hope they sink without a trace. Repeal the 8th.
Hoody slogan positioned suggestively
Ok so, a summary so far.
No = Abortion bad.
Yes = Abortion happens.
They are not opposing viewpoints, they are actually two different arguments. So it really is up to the Yes to shift the parameters from the emotional to the factual.
Women have abortions. Fact. Women have abortions elsewhere. Fact. Repeal 8th means women will have abortions here. Fact. Nobody likes abortion. Fact.
And if you remember the last referendum, it went something like ‘If you don’t like gay marriage then don’t marry a gay’. This is no different.
A great number have been moved by what happened to the Savita Halappanavar and how our system failed her…and would like to see sufficient amendment to ensure that a woman’s life is worth more than the unborn in the event of complications but at the same time retain some right for the unborn. It’s ok to be uncomfortable with Irish law facilitating a termination of unwanted pregnancies and this referendum change is dramatic from their perspective.
Until now, there has been no legal prosecution (under Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act 2013. Sections 7 and 8 – that I am aware) of for anyone who has gone overseas to end their pregnancy so in some respect, the governing authorities of the state have looked the other way and let people carry out their will outside the legal jurisdiction, if they so choose.
Look the other way
how humane of them
But people have options, which is certainly better than being physically forced to see their pregnancy through…
I don’t think the govt wants to touch this issue…but it has come to them.
Painkiller. I really don’t think you know what you are talking about.
You mention the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act 2013; but clearly haven’t read it.
1. Sections 7 & 8 have nothing to do with prosecutions. (section 22 does)
2. Section 18 of that act explicitly says that anyone can travel abroad to get an abortion.
is yet wan in the top pick subliminally modelling herself on the virgin mary…halo included ?
ugh why are you even giving these bigots a platform? look at all those women either brainwashed or coerced, it makes me sick.
Kids, teens and OAPs fleshing out that crowd there. Just who you want dictating the choices women should have when pregnant. Also how many US activists flown in for the occasion?
Don’t get me started on that Kerry eeijit
Vote Yes.