Yesterday evening.

GPO, O’Connell Street, Dublin 1

Members of the Palestinian community in Dublin and their Irish supporters, attended a rally in protest at the actions of Israel’s security forces in shooting dead over 60 Palestinians, at the border between Israel and the Gaza Strip.

Cabinet decides not to recognise Palestine despite Gaza deaths (Independent.ie)

Leah Farrell/RollingNews

40 thoughts on “Recognition

  1. Dr.Fart MD

    i don’t get how Israel claim that the land was given to them by God so it’s theirs, and then that God is probably OK with them full-on murdering people to take the land supposedly given to them. Like if you believe in God so much that you think he gave you land, would you not also believe that he doesn’t want you to kill your fellow man?

    they use religion It’s like a buffet where they can pick the bits they want and ignore what they don’t want.

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    1. Christopher

      Also if God wants you to have the land, why would he make it that there was another religion that ALSO wants the land so you end up in a constant war for it.

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    2. Kolmo

      Religion has always been the cowcatcher at the front of the empire building train – convince normally decent people that those already living in the area you want to conquer are heathens and therefore sub-human, it’s easier to kill when you are convinced an invisible entity is devolving you of any responsibility, of course not everyone is susceptible to this nonsense, but a critical amount of useful idiots is all it takes..

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      1. Dr.Fart MD

        i find it mad that fully-grown men and women in this day and age, with everything we know.. still believe in god and heaven and earth and all the nonsense that goes with it. We can clearly see that through time, religion is a method of controlling people. yet people still buy it.

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  2. Extrapq

    Useful idiots. Supporters of Hamas. Baaa Baaa Hamas Sheep..

    Why are Hamas sending their own people to die and Ireland is showing support for this?
    How do these Irish supporters suggest Israel protect its border for people who openly say they want to cause them harm and destroy them? Obviously the answer they’ll give is question dodging – but its not their land.. blaa blaa baa baa

    Irish media should be ashamed of themselves

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    1. DeKloot

      Borders? Not borders and you know it. A border would imply sovereignty on both sides. That’s clearly not the case. They’re blockades for the world’s largest open prison. Hamas has a lot to answer for alright but the intolerable situation forced on the Palestinian population by the Israeli regime is criminal.

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      1. Extrapq

        Exactly as predicted.

        Are Israeli military correct to shoot people who attempt to cross their border? People who openly say they wish to rip out their hearts and destroy them?
        What is your suggested course of action otherwise?

        People love to complain and virtue signal for that sweet sweet dopamine hit.. but have no actual answers.

        Do you support Hamas destroying a humanitarian border control into Gaza? Do you support Hamas encouraging children to approach a border where Israel have repeatedly said they would shoot if crossed?

        You’re just another useful idiot for Hamas cause

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        1. DeKloot

          Christ you’re daft as a brush. If the Egyptians or Jordanians aggressively crossed over their borders, they have every right to defend themselves. Gaza and by extension Palestine is not a sovereign state, therefore, they have no border with Israel. It is a blockade. A tool of apartheid if you will built to subjugate and isolate.

          Do you support Israel segregating and isolating 2 million people forced to live in intolerable circumstances, with little fresh water, power, medicine or food? That every aspect of their lives is degraded to such an extent that they see Hamas as their only lifeline?

          I could suggest that you stay off the kool-aid but Soda Stream seems apt.

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          1. Extrapq

            “Do you support Israel segregating and isolating 2 million people forced to live in intolerable circumstances, with little fresh water, power, medicine or food? That every aspect of their lives is degraded to such an extent that they see Hamas as their only lifeline?”
            Answer: No I don’t, and no I don’t support that. I don’t see how Hamas sacrificing their own people is helping the cause though (I understand the propaganda they’re hoping western media will create for them if course)

            Right, now you have a go at answering the straight forward questions above?

          2. Nigel

            Don’t see how moving the embassy to satisfy fundamentalists in the US regardless of consequences or the IDF committing mass murder helps either but there you go.

          3. Extrapq

            Numerous other countries are already following suit in moving embassy to Jerusalem, and that will increase in the years to come. Should we expect more slaughtering of Hamas own people when Russia open their embassy there? That’s justified is it?

            Mass murder? Again, how would you suggest Israeli soldiers prevent people(incld Hamas terrorists intent on destroying Israel) from crossing the border? Water cannons? Riot gear?

          4. Nigel

            You’re asking me if more mass murders are justified? What? Aren’t you the one here justifying mass murder?

            As for your other question they could start by not mass murdering them.

          5. Extrapq

            Justifying mass murder?! Honestly.. it’s like you people have a soundboard with limited buzzwords you can use.
            What do you expect Hamas to do one inside Israel? Cause they’re stating pretty clearly their intention for all who care to listen.
            Can you think for yourself and not just what you hear from MSM?
            Why are hamas literally sending people into a zone they know people will die in? What do actually real world measure do you propose Israel do to prevent people crossing the border?
            I’ll guess your answer :
            – it’s not a real border
            – the soldiers could try just not murdering people
            – some other form of question dodging

          6. Nigel

            Exactly. There was nothing they could do, they had no choice, the dead people were asking for it. There you are, justifying the massacre.

        2. Papi

          Are you seriously suggesting people should be useful idiots for Israel like you instead?

          Pass, they’re murderers.

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          1. Extrapq

            Unlike Hamas?

            And ‘useful idiots for Israel’?? I’m asking what is it you’re expecting soldiers on the ‘borders/blockades’ to do? Why are Hamas encouraging children into the firing line and why do Irish people support this?

          2. Papi

            Hamas are no saints, but they are fighting an enemy who has brought all the guns to a rock fight. I do not condone or support the tactics, but the fact that we are discussing it right now shows why they are doing it. Israel would happily kill them all and bulldoze them away if it could. and don’t tell me they wouldn’t.
            Plus, there was a similar, not identical, but similar, situation in a small place called Northern Ireland, hence the underdog support.

            Also, Leve Palestina.

        3. scottser

          you can contain large numbers of people in non-fatal ways yet the israelis chose to set up snipers to shoot to kill without discrimination. did israel think that moving the US embassy to jerusalem was going to pass off without incident or protest? your blind adherence to zionist dogma makes you the ‘useful idiot’ (your own words)

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          1. Extrapq

            How do you do that? Water cannons? Go on..

            Couldn’t care less about ‘zionist dogma’.
            I care about propensity for Irish people and media to support and create propaganda for a terrorist organization.

          2. Sentient Won

            Hamas = Iran stirring the poo.

            Also the standard Israeli ordinance for crowd control these days are bullets made of sand.

            https://www.military.com/defensetech/2005/08/01/sand-bullets-for-israeli-troops

            These are proven to be less deadly than plastic bullets.

            So most reports of casualties/fatalities are likely faked/exaggerated to cultivate outrage across Europe. Look at this guy for instance: bandages but no blood.

            https://www.military.com/defensetech/2005/08/01/sand-bullets-for-israeli-troops

    2. :-Joe

      You’re just spouting more nonsense in response to the party line, the long evolved and perfected propaganda narrative force fed down people’s throats for over 30 years and yes it’s all lies.

      It’s not entirely your own fault.. It just shows how effective media propaganda works… even after over four decades of the same deceit.

      Here’s the answers to most of your comments and questions on this thread.
      https://www.democracynow.org/2018/1/19/norman_finkelstein_on_the_big_lie
      It startsat part 5 but click part 1 – 4 on the right side for the full series

      :-J

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  3. Junkface

    They’re all murderers! Its just that one side has weapons and money because of British, then US support, the other side had their land stolen from them, but the anger and resentment has built up over 70 years and now they want Israel wiped out completely, and they take Iranian weapons and support from Hamas. How do you negotiate with people who want you exterminated? And how do you negotiate with a trigger happy military who are brutally heavy handed and treat every protest as possible invasion? We don’t know all of the facts yet about how many Hamas militias were trying to cross the border, its being investigated. It certainly looks like Israel went way over the top as usual.

    I don’t ever see peace in that part of the world.

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  4. Bull Duggan

    There’s only one thing worse than a white person wearing dreadlocks and that’s a Westerner wearing a Keffiyeh.
    Political protest as fashion statement.

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    1. Papi

      Only one thing? Not butterfly bullets from professional snipers into protestors. Raise your comparative values, daithi’s little brother.

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  5. :-Joe

    Hey Broadsheet why did you delete my comment without posting/publishing it?

    Is it because of the use of the word “Fuck” or Fucking”,?
    -if it is then maybe you should just change it to fupp or fupping because I’m using the dictionary definition in context.

    ” sometimes used interjectionally with an object (such as a personal or reflexive pronoun) to express anger, contempt, or disgust ”

    Definition of fuck
    intransitive verb

    1 usually obscene : copulate
    2 usually vulgar : mess 3 —used with – with

    transitive verb
    1 usually obscene : to engage in coitus with —sometimes used interjectionally with an object (such as a personal or reflexive pronoun) to express anger, contempt, or disgust
    2 usually vulgar : to deal with unfairly or harshly : cheat, screw

    Everything else I posted in the comment is factually correct not because I say so, but in actuality as a matter of public record and understood by most people especially those far more intelligent than myself.

    So why the censorship?

    How are the facts of the us veto on the un in support of israel 43 times since 1970..something new or so controversial you want to delete it?

    Why would you censor that or the opinion of people i.e. Prof. Norman Finkelstein and democracynow.org who know what they are talking about?

    C’mon you’re better than this…. aren’t you?

    :-J

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  6. :-Joe

    (I didn’t get any indication of why you deleted it so I’ll repost it… You can edit or redact it if you want)

    Here we fucking go again….

    Another recent standard annual news report about israel and Palestine the us and un…..

    “The United States vetoed a draft UN Security Council resolution that rejected President Donald Trump’s move to recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, marking the 43rd time the US has used its veto power against Israel-related UN Security Council draft resolutions.

    As Israel’s biggest ally – the US gives Israel around $3bn in aid annually, largely military, each year.”

    It’s another example of cause and effect after the un(useless nations) do whatever the us wants because they want a slice of the spoils from big military brother and it’s partner of war crimes in the middle east …

    i.e. THE un SITS ON THEIR HANDS EVERY YEAR ALLOWING THE us war machine TO MAINTAIN VETO POWER IN ALLIANCE WITH AND FOR THE EXCLUSIVE BENEFIT OF israel(the rogue facist genocidal imperial settler military state of zionism) AND THEMSELVES AS THEIR HOST PARTNER, BIG BROTHER, PROTECTOR AND ALLY.

    SINCE 1970… THINK ABOUT THAT… 1970 !!!! .. THE us HAS USED 43 VETOES EXCLUSIVELY TO PROTECT the facist state of zionism AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY IN DIRECT OPPOSITION AND ILLEGALLY AGAINST INTERNATIONAL LAW AND FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHTS.

    HERE IS AN EXCERPT OF JUST THE FIRST TEN YEARS OF US VETO POWER USED SOLELY ON BEHALF OF zionism, facism, slow grinding genocide etc. etc. in the imperial settler state of israel AGAINST PALESTINE SINCE 1970 WHEN VETO POWERS WERE FIRST INTRODUCED

    Use of US veto between 1970 and 1980 on Israel

    The UN / UNSC in the year…..
    1972 Condemns Israel for killing hundreds of people in Syria and Lebanon in air raids.

    1973 Afirms the rights of the Palestinians and calls on Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories.

    1976 Condemns Israel for attacking Lebanese civilians.

    1976 Condemns Israel for building settlements in the occupied territories.

    1976 Calls for self determination for the Palestinians.

    1976 Afirms the rights of the Palestinians.

    1978 Urges the permanent members (USA, USSR, UK, France, China) to insure United Nations decisions on the maintenance of international peace and security.

    1978 Criticises the living conditions of the Palestinians.

    1978 Condemns the Israeli human rights record in occupied territories.

    1978 Calls for developed countries to increase the quantity and quality of development assistance to underdeveloped countries.

    1979 Calls for an end to all military and nuclear collaboration with the apartheid South Africa.12

    1979 Calls for the return of all inhabitants expelled by Israel.

    1979 Demands that Israel desist from human rights violations.

    1979 Requests a report on the living conditions of Palestinians in occupied Arab countries.

    1979 Offers assistance to the Palestinian people.

    1979 Discusses sovereignty over national resources in occupied Arab territories.

    1979 To include Palestinian women in the United Nations Conference on Women.

    1980 Requests Israel to return displaced persons.

    1980 Condemns Israeli policy regarding the living conditions of the Palestinian people.

    1980 Condemns Israeli human rights practices in occupied territories. 3 resolutions.

    THIS IS JUST THE FIRST TEN YEARS OF HAVING THE POWER TO VETO AND WHAT WAS ACTUALLY REPORTED TO THE UN / UNSC AND VOTED ON.
    EVEN THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF A GIANT TURDPILE !!!!……

    Ireland has no backbone, if we had and booted official zionism and apartheid regimes out of this country then we would have to deal with the host nation i.e the us, then the true reality would become clear. We are just another low level wilfully ignorant tool of the wider systematic problem of the west.

    Like a dodgy personal accountant, a confidant who wants more but you keep quiet about them and hold them at arms length…

    We are a fucking joke of a democracy, soverign state, nation, state, country, EU….. whatever you want to call this island run by pathetic middle managers that the ignorant and deluded 60%-ish of voters keep electing into power to represent us all. Shame on you and your ignorance.

    If you want to watch the summary truth about the last few years and history of what is really going on with the us and israel and Palestine and many other factors then here you go…….

    This is part one of a five part video series explaining the history and facts to date. It’s short enough(about an hour) and is weirdly humourous(gallows) at times due to the sheer insanity of all the facts you don’t hear articulated so sucintly and eloquently by a truthful and intentionally unbiased source in almost EVERY other form of mainstream media.

    Click links on right of page to change parts

    (PART 1) https://www.democracynow.org/2018/1/10/as_icc_considers_probing_israel_for

    If you need a shorter version for your lack of an attention span here’s a place to start:
    (PART 4) https://www.democracynow.org/2018/1/10/gaza_an_inquest_into_its_martyrdom

    Or if you really have no patience to learn the truth but you’d like to have at least half a clue then start here:
    (PART 5) https://www.democracynow.org/2018/1/19/norman_finkelstein_on_the_big_lie

    https://www.democracynow.org/appearances/norman_finkelstein
    -Other videos of Norman Finkelstein on same site

    I think democracynow.org also has these video on youtube but I don’t want to support advertising and marketing companies like gurgle over source websites where possible but probably interesting to go there for the comments, not something I would usually recommend unless you like rubber-necking into human madness.

    Norman Finkelstein is a scholar, professer, writer and the worlds number one authority on what zionist israel is doing to Palestine and the region and all the geo-polital connections both from inside and outside israel and from many other viewpoints including most importantly Palestine and Hezbolah.

    He is also a jew and the most fervent intellectual scolar and critic of joint israel and us foreign policy.

    Noam Chomsky, another jew and possibly the most intelligent man alive defers to him for accuracy on this issue regarding honest, truthful journalism and reporting of the facts.

    If you think this is some form of so-called “conspiracy theory” or “anti semetism” or lies then best of luck with your ignorance.

    Prof. Finkelstein also has some great insights into the abuse of “anti-semetism” as a propaganda tool by israel but I won’t go into that again here.

    If you want to hear, learn and understand the truth and let it breath life then that’s a start….If you want to help spread truth then great, that’s affimitive action and when you do something for others you become part of something bigger, better and more important than yourself.

    If you get anything positive out of this you’re welcome….

    Unless you’re a nihilist or narcissistic socio / psycho -path then I’m fresh out of ideas for you right now.
    -Ironically if you are, you’ll still be able to find some enjoyment in watching these videos and witnessing the detailed, systematic destruction of others while they suffer.

    Nihilist porn… for the psychadelic facist proganda induced believers everywhere..
    (See.. Jokes can be made anywhere / anytime, just try it)

    :-J

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