51 thoughts on “De Wednesday Papers

    1. Harry Molloy

      Harris has always been a fantastic debater. Most people online have never got past the fact that they don’t like his voice or appearance or that “he’s fine Gael so everything he says is wrong”, but I’ve never seen anyone get the better of him in an argument.

      last night no different.

    2. Joe cool

      I have never been his biggest fan. But by god the lad was superb last night. I thought he was an excellent debater

    3. edalicious

      Credit where it’s due, he did a great job last night. Favourite part was when, it could have been while Katie Ascough was speaking, the camera briefly cut back to Harris who had this amazing, disbelieving grimace on his face, like a “what the actual fupp are you on about?!” look.

  1. Repro-choice Bertie

    Yet another setback for Sasamach as Taoiseach May’s latest fantasy plan for a border is laughed out by the EU. Another step closer to NI, if not the whole UK, staying in the customs union.

    1. GiggidyGoo

      Varadkars backstop, as has been portrayed by himself and Coveney, and the delayed podium announcement, is already starting to be shown to be lies. Teresa May’s understanding is it’s temporary.
      Over to you Leo.

      1. Repro-choice Bertie

        It’s hardly Varadkar’s backstop given it was the EU that insisted May sign up to it. Since she’s already admitting that the UK will probably remain in the customs union well after 2021, until the border issue is resolved in fact, I’m not sure how it’s being shown to be lies either.

  2. Charlie

    Harris looks and sounds like a Maths teacher from the late 70s. I enjoyed the debate and thought both sides put forward their arguments quite well.

    1. MaryLou's ArmaLite

      Tobin came across as a someone way out of his depth. Harris made him look silly.

    2. Listrade

      For the record, I still hold gooey feelings for my math’s teacher, Miss Pymm, I do not get that same feel from Harris.

        1. Jasper

          Agreed BB.

          I once met him down at Thunder Road. Full leathers and gelled hair, racing old cars by the looks of things.

          I got chills in my undercarriage, they were indeed multiplying.

  3. the bottler

    Tobin virtually blaming government economic policies for women travelling abroad for terminations. Healy Rae on TV3 a shambles.

  4. italia'90

    Harris certainly outperformed Toibin last night, but I put that down more to Toibin’s poor argument style and his inability to give a straight answer. Harris can’t hide for long his petulant, condescending, “FG style teacher knows best” character which no amount of PR training can beat out of him or his empty suited boss.

    There are a few more Peader Toibins in SF I suspect. Will be watching with interest, if the 8th is repealed and how many of them suddenly can’t vote for the proposed legislation. Their TD in Wicklow is in favour of repeal, publicly, so I will be pleasantly surprised if he does vote for the legislation in the Dáil. He’s not doing a whole lot of canvassing or he’s not self promoting the fact, not sure which atm?

    Well done to the people in Enniskerry last night.

    1. The Old Boy

      That could be interesting. SF do not allow free votes and have a zero-tolerance approach to party indiscipline.

      1. johnny

        ….back in the days when pints were 25 p and women knew there place, that was a vote or an opinion ?
        which party allows breaking the whip again ?

  5. Lilly

    I get it that the Irish Times prides itself on avoiding sensationalism, but boy do they exert themselves with the pedestrian headlines: ‘Gardai investigating aftermath of killing’.

    1. CoderNerd

      Weren’t they also reporting that Valdez was found alive but in critical condition?
      Paper of record my arse.

  6. Sentient Won

    So let me get this straight: One woman allegedly died 6 years ago and in order to atone for it we must allow the sacrifice of tens of thousands of Irish children going forward.

    You people are sick.

    1. Cian

      At last. You have summarised the Yes ideology in one sentence.

      That is a exquisite summary of the debate that you have been a part of on broadsheet for the last few months.

      Congratulations.

      1. Sentient Won

        Maybe not the Yes ideology but the Yes strategy: Set up a hoax tragedy as an excuse to expand the for-profit Abortion industry.

        Go ask FG about the EVOFEM donations.

          1. Sentient Won

            Tony O’Brien, Abortion Campaigner > Appointed as DG HSE July 2012 > Savatia ‘incident’ October 2012 > O’Brien gets position with EVOFEM Biosciences (Abortion Pills) > Leo gets donation from O’Brien/EVOFEM > Leo changes position on Abortion > Hysterical Hate filled Campaign to Abolish the rights of the unborn and their mothers > Frilly loses her mind > Makes false equivalence between dogs and people.

          2. Cian

            @Sentient Won
            can you back up the following three with evidence:?
            1. that Tony O’Brien is an Abortion Campaigner
            2. that EVOFEM Biosciences produce Abortion Pills)
            3. that Leo gets donation from O’Brien/EVOFEM
            Thanks

          3. Listrade

            @Cian,

            I remember when he was first appointed HSE chief that there was a certain amount of outcry. Think when he was head of Family Planning he supported regulating abortion. Not sure if that went as far as campaigning.

            I should explicitly state also that I’m not even remotely buying into the delusions of a hoax.

        1. Brother Barnabas

          excuse my dimness, sentient, but just for absolute clarity – the death of savita halappanavar is the “hoax tragedy”?

          1. mildred st. meadowlark

            Yes. Clearly it was.

            Or at least it was in that walnut that SW calls a brain.

      1. Harry Molloy

        I don’t believe she ever existed. That’s why they went for a bleedin foreigner, no one would no

        1. Sentient Won

          Yep.

          Sold to us by fake news.
          (including Broadsheet).

          To question the narrative was to cue hysterics.
          (still does)

          1. Starina

            wow. spectacular work convincing people that there’s lots of unhinged types on the No side, Sentient Won.

    2. I am known as

      Yes she allegedly died alright.

      Yer some tulip, I feel pity for you though.

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