US President Donald Trump said he wants America to have a “space force”
When fascists put children in cages
And don’t want that on the front pages
They launch a new race
To put soldiers in space
Which is evil and sad and outrageous
John Moynes
Pic: Getty
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So if we had thousands without documents arriving at Rosslare harbour , should we put them up in hotels? No hotels available, what then? Leave them out in all weather conditions until they are processed? And then like Italy refuse them entry and send them on to Spain? Angela Merkyl has been given 2 weeks to address the immigration debacle or her alliance will pull the plug.
Let’s have a poem for Angela!
All those whataboutery questions so you can defend the US government numbering children and keeping then in cages where the lights are on 24 hours a day.
Actually saw those photos years ago
So how do we deal with illegal migrants?
Wait till brexit and the illegal looking for a back door into the UK choose Ireland instead of Calais
As the embarkation spot hoping to cross the soft border between northern Ireland and the north
Then they find the ferries will not take them
When they are returned past the border into the republic what then?
Welcome to the jungle
For a start, let’s not break up families and put kids in cages for indefinite periods.
Seriously david, can we not deal with something that’s actually happening without you throwing in doom laden possible future situations? If all you have to offer is “just wait until this other terrible thing maybe happens” then what are you really contributing? You’re like Monty Python’s Four Yorkshiremen crossed with Mystic Meg.
Let’s ignore the fact that the policy of holding children in cages is from the Obama years.
Let’s not let the truth get in the way of our self-serving hatred.
At least you admit that they are keeping children in cages. I thought you’d be one of those “the children are crisis actors” people.
I’d be very interested in reading the evidence that the US had these concentration camps for children through the Obama years thanks. Of course, even if it’s true it doesn’t excuse it happening now.
http://www.businessinsider.com/migrant-children-in-cages-2014-photos-explained-2018-5
” The images, which were first published by the Associated Press in 2014, resurfaced over the weekend for reasons that remain unclear, and quickly prompted viral outrage on Twitter. One particularly disturbing image showed two children sleeping on mattresses on the floor inside what appeared to be a cage.
A number of prominent liberals — and even a former Obama administration official — shared the photos in outrage, mistakenly believing they depicted the Trump administration’s treatment of immigrant children who were forcibly separated from their parents. “
Serious question: how many migrant children were separated from their families during the Obama administration, and how many have been separated under the Trump administration? How many children from families that were applying for asylum?
From that link: [F]ormer Obama official, Cecilia Muñoz, who served as the director of the White House Domestic Policy Council, offered a similar explanation to NPR on Tuesday.
“In 2014, we saw an enormous spike compared to what usually happens every year, in the number of kids crossing alone into the United States,” she said. “And we didn’t have enough shelter facilities, because we had a huge increase, so kids ended up piling up in Border Patrol lock-ups, which are no places for children.”
So it was a reaction to an emergency situation rather than the forced separation that Trump’s goons are involved in but as long you get to play your “but Obama” card it doesn’t matter, right?
Obama official making excuses after caught on the hop. So surprising.
And Bertie will believe them no matter what.
Obama deported more people than Trump on an annual basis. But none of that matters because Trump is the orange monster we’re all duty bound to hate.
Meanwhile, the current state of play is outlined by Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen (what, a woman?!? But… but… but… Trump’s a misogynist?!?!).
https://www.c-span.org/video/?447252-1/homeland-security-secretary-nielsen-calls-congress-fix-immigration-policy
Not that Nigel or Bertie or Broadsheet are actually all that interested if it doesn’t make Trump look bad.
Meanwhile the secretary of homeland security offers excuses for separating children from their parents and locking them up in cages on the grounds that the parents are awaiting criminal prosecution (e.g. for entering the country illegally) or they are not really their children but it’s OK, because they get fed and the parents, assuming they are their actual parents, can phone them and, once released, can submit an application to have their children returned.
Well that’s absolutely fine then. I’ve no idea why Amnesty International could have confused this removal from their parents and caging of children for torture.
For the record, I don’t give a fup who this makes look bad. It’s inhumane and a disgrace, pure and simple. Unlike you, I’m not motivated by which US millionaire is on which side.
Sentient Won, in the face of this disgusting policy you are only interested in how it can be used to make Obama look bad. Your priorities are vile.
Yes, we should forget about the original sins and just go with the current trends because that fits perfectly with the warped virtue signalling narrative.
How many were separated prior to the Trump policy and how many since?
incidental whataboutery
But not actually an answer…
Obama was an open-border flood-of-illegals white-genociding western-civilisation destroyer. Obama was also doing all of Trump’s cruel anti-immigrant policies before Trump and in such a way that Trump is forced to keep doing them even though he doesn’t want to, though he does want to because his base loves cruelty. Perhaps we could just drop the incoherent gibberish and agree that this is bad and it should stop, or is objecting to this evil policy less important than owning the libs?
Nigel in 1997 the Flores settlement decree was introduced
In 1985 it was the practice to separate families of illegal
This is highlighted in an article published 2016 in the media
Now for some reason this is being used to trump bash
Its getting tedious at this stage
Nothing new
Like the so called wall to replace the fence that was built to do exactly the same under Obama and previous administrations
How many families were separated prior to the Trump administration and how many have been separated since?
Pithy, but a pity that’s actually not true.
It’s an important distinction to make for readers of liberal ribald, populist limericks that a fascist would put these people to work under cruel conditions rather than send them back to where they came.
whatever Trump is, to brand him a fascist is well… kind of fascist.
It’s important to make a distinction between breaking up families and some guy using a word. Breaking up families and putting children in cages in camps is not fascist. Using the word fascist in reference to this practice is fascist. This is how this horrific activity is defended. Evil idiocy.
the horrific activity of populist doggerel?
Pick your favoured horrific activity: I’ll defend doggerel, you defend breaking up families.
Well defend the doggerel then because that is the very thing I disagree with.
It is not right in any respect to label Donald Trump a fascist.
It’s not right to break up families either. Tell you which I think is worse,and also more fascistic.
Who originally pushed through the policy Nigel?
I’ll be very clear with you Nigel. I’ve asked you to defend the limerick-doggerel-comedy use of the word ‘facisist’. You have not.
Donald Trump is not a facisist. What his administration is doing is not fascism.
furthermore, if you believe this. if you really believe we are seeing a revolution in genuine fascism. What are you doing about it? relying on ‘comedic verse’.????
that my dear boy is “idiotic evilness” because you can see something i cant and yet youre doing nothing.
That white nationalist bottyhole who works for Trump.
Donald Trump is taking children away from their parents. Alan.
What are you going to do? Nigel.
On the positive side better be in a warehouse , fed and washed , for a few days than allow sex traffickers , vile disgusting pigs that they are, near them, especially the unaccompanied children.
Ah, they’re being separated from their parents, numbered, caged and deprived of sleep for their own good. Now I understand.
Note I said unaccompanied children.16,000 are trafficed through this border every year.
Note you said “especially the unaccompanied children” which means you were talking about all of the children.
Bertie none have any ID so its logical that these children might not be theirs and child trafficking is a lucrative industry
It even happens in Europe
So until’ proved then the authorities must protect these charges until the identification is established
How many of the children separated from their families actually turn out to have been separated from child traffickers? If the welfare of the children were the priority there would be a procedure for assessing how at-risk the children were, not indiscriminate forced separation of children of all ages, which is tantamount to abuse.
If they were interested in the welfare of the children they would not be separating all families. There would be a process in place to identify children at risk. There is not.
Good news Nigel, your wish is Trump’s EO. :
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/20/white-house-considering-executive-action-to-prevent-family-separations-at-border.html
Trump seems to be handling this problem a lot better than his predecessor.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/hhs-handed-child-migrants-to-human-traffickers.html
“none have any ID so its logical that these children might not be theirs”
We can add logic to the list of things you don’t understand.
They are not being separated on the grounds that they may not be their children. The Trump administration has decided to enforce a zero tolerance policy and arrest all adults trying to enter the US illegally. Once they are arrested their children are taken away because the parents were arrested. The secretary of homeland security said as much in the video SW linked to above.
Nice to see you siding with the concentration camp guys though. Love both, right?
There is a process for immigration and some decide to enter a country illegally
Logic dose enter in to it
Why should people even bother to emigrate through legal channels
And again no documents and it could be trafficking
You don’t have to break up families to control your border.
Barry Sotero disagree’s..
ditto Bertie
http://www.debate.org/opinions/do-obamas-fema-camps-violate-american-civil-liberties?nsort=2&ysort=2
I did not know about children being separated from parents and cages in immigration camps under Obama but if I had I known I would have been just as outraged as I am about Trump keeping children in cages until he’s given the cash to build his wall.
The policy has been in place for years. The policy has been ignored for years. Trump has chosen a zero tolerance approach, probably because he’s a racist, which has led to the current outcry.
Have you or david an ounce of humanity? Your major concern seems to be coming up with excuses for Trump’s goons removing children from their parents, assigning them a number and keeping them in cages.
He’s not the president responsible for the current policy jusayinlike.
Ok by that sentiment I’ll just blame Barry and co for the illegal Iraq war and narco Afghanistan invasion..
Aswell as the sla
slamming of Libya and Syria..
You can blame him for all the things he did that you did not like. Now is it okay with you if I blame Trump for the things he does that I do not like? Is that all right? Is it? Blaming people for the things they did and are doing? Are we all on board with that?
with cohen and manafort sweating,mullers investigation is closing in,he’s panicking.
vast majority of Americans oppose this, including current FOTUS and 3 x ones, this is the sound of innocent children crying, it is his defining moment.
-ProPublica has obtained audio from inside a U.S. Customs and Border Protection facility, in which children can be heard wailing as an agent jokes, “We have an orchestra here.”-
https://www.propublica.org/article/children-separated-from-parents-border-patrol-cbp-trump-immigration-policy
(ps why are the press in Irl not allowed into detention centers ?)
This space force thing is sooooooooo Ronnie Reagan. Trump is half way through his term so I guess it’s time to think about irreversible legacy policies.
Actually if mankind is going to populate space then some sort of policing is needed
So he is not off his rocker unless mankind has no intention of colonising space.
The Leon musk needs to be sectioned
He dose now dose he.
He would of been the best spaceman.
I did not say musk should be sectioned
As space is to be colonised in not our life time but future generations life times colonies need security call it an army a police force its a security situation so trump is not off his rocker
Sound of space rockets going “Whoooosh” right past davids sensors.
If anyone should police space it should be the UN / an NGO, not Trump!
I believe this proposal would be in violation of the UN Outer Space Treaty of 1967, of which the US is a party.
The get out clause is the missus (plus two ex’s…. president’s not actual) coming out against. Whatever is going on, Trump is not in favour.