Berkeley Street Dublin 7 earlier today.
(Pix: Oisín Kane)
Two undergraduates at NUIG Galway (top) lip lock this afternoon in protest at provocative Pro-life-style postering around campus while (above) a member of the Christian Society clings to a poster display holder.
How provocative, you ask?
A Pro-Life petition currently being distributed around Ireland.
Thanks Irish Election Literature
[University College Dublin pro-life student Samuel O'Connor]
Via The College Tribune:
Law student Samuel O’Connor has become the first UCD student ever to leave UCD Students’ Union. The Union’s Independent Appeals and Disciplinary Board determined that UCDSU “would not be respecting Mr. O’Connor’s legal rights” if it did not allow for his name to be removed from the SU electoral register and any databases used by UCDSU to contact UCD students as Mr. O’Connor requested. Mr. O’Connor will not however receive a monetary refund due to the current SU funding model.
Previously: Freedom To Disassociate
Today, the campaign group Terminations for Medical Reasons will take their petitions alleging human rights violations to the UN Human Rights Committee in relation to pregnant women diagnosed with fatal foetal abnormalities who have to travel outside of Ireland for terminations.
Last night James Burke, from the TFMR, and Clíona Johnson, from One More Day, appeared on RTÉ’s Prime Time. last night
They both told of their respective decisions when James’ wife Amanda and Clíona found out they were expecting a child with a fatal foetal abnormality. James and Amanda’s daughter had Edward’s Syndrome while Clíona’s son had anencephaly.
Amanda travelled to Liverpool for a termination. Clíona went full term here in Ireland and gave birth to her son before he died.
RTÉ presenter David McCullagh then invited Johanna Westeson, from the Center for Reproductive Rights, which has its headquarters in New York and is helping the TFMR with theirs petition, to speak. Ms Westeson was followed by Cora Sherlock, from the Pro-Life Campaign.
Ms Westeson, top, said Clíona had very important things to say. She also said nobody from the Center for Reproductive Rights or TFMR would tell a pregnant woman with a fatal foetal abnormality to have a termination. But she said any woman in Ireland must be given the option to have such a termination in this country, instead of having to “run off to another country like a fugitive”.
Ms Sherlock said:
“I think that every family has the right to meet their baby and I think what we’re seeing in this debate is the ongoing failure of this government to put those kind of facilities in place. As James said, we need to have separate facilities so that women who find out that their babies are terminally ill can go an meet other women in that position and get the kind of support. We need to look around the world, and see what’s happening in other countries, like in the US for example. I would encourage your viewers to go on to YouTube after this programme and look at a programme called 99 Balloons. It talks about Eliott Mooney who only lived for 99 days but it shows a kind of connection, as Clíona was talking about between mother and baby, that can, you know, create over that time. And also the fact that he went on to inspire his parents. When Eliott finally died, his parents were inspired to do a lot of work with disabled babies, in the aftermath.”
She then continued:
“Can I just make one other point, David. I’m quite concerned to see the Center for Reproductive Rights getting involved in this debate because what the viewers at home may not know is that they are very involved in campaigning for abortion rights throughout the world. So, you know, this is something that we are dealing with, in this country. We need to have a proper debate about how we’re going to address the situation and how we’re going to give support for families. And I just think it’s not really appropriate for an internationally-funded group to come in and get involved in that event.“
You may recall how last December, the Sunday Business Post reported:
“The American Pro-Life Action League has said Irish pro-life groups are set for a significant financial boost as a result of fundraising campaigns across the US. The national director of the American Pro-Life Action League has said that Irish pro-life groups are set for a significant financial boost as a result of fundraising campaigns across the United States. Joseph Scheidler told The Sunday Business Post that members of the league, which has been active since the 1980s, would also be travelling to Ireland to take part in anti-abortion protests here. He said the donations involved could amount to several hundred thousands of dollars, and that a significant amount of the money raised would go to Youth Defence.”
Prime Time debate here from 35.40.
Hat tip: Fluffybiscuits
Were you demonstrating at last weekend’s pro-life rally in Dublin?
Ronan Kennedy writes:
At the counter-protest to the ‘Rally for Life’ last Saturday there was a group marching under the banner of ‘NationaIist Ireland‘.
It turns out that they had a photographer snapping photos of us counter-demonstrators. On their website homepage forum they like to imitate the neo-nazi site Redwatch by publishing photos of the Pro-Choice demonstrations and then finding out their personal info.
Shane Gavin adds:
I’m sure there are several broadsheet readers in
the photographs and they may want to contact the gardaí.
Previously: A Race Apart
Independent TD, and abortion bill court challenger Mattie McGrath with Ciara Ni Ghriofa outside the Dail ahead of tonight’s debate.
(Sasko Lazarov/Photocall Ireland)
Pro-lifers and pro-choicers on Kildare Street, Dublin, this evening.
The vote on Protection of Life During pregnancy Bill is expected anywhere between midnight and 5am.
(Sasko Lazarov/Photocall Ireland) and Eoin Conway (last pic)
William Binchy, legal advisor to the pro-life movement went on Tonight with Vincent Browne .
Certainty in a world gone mad.
Vincent Browne: “Is it your view that a woman if she proceeds with a termination of pregnancy ought to be imprisoned?”
William Binchy: “Of course not. Of course not.”
Browne: “I’m sorry. William, William, just answer that.”
Binchy: “Can I answer the point?”
Browne: “Yes, yes.”
Binchy: “Of course not. And can I invite you to stay in the world of reality and the world of truth because you tagged on there an imprisonment of the woman. You know, Vincent and I think you should remind your viewers of this too that there is no prospect whatsoever of a woman being imprisoned in such circumstances.”
Browne: “How do you know I don’t know? I don’t know that. I don’t know. If it’s the law that she may be imprisoned up to 14 years then it seems to be that at least there is a prospect that that would happen. Are you happy with that?”
Binchy: “Do you think so?”
Browne: “I think there is a prospect. Of course there is.”
Binchy: “All I say is that I disagree with your legal assessment there, Vincent and I think frankly…”
Browne: “Tell me how that is legally mistaken. Tell me how I’m mistaken.”
Binchy: “If you give me an opportunity to speak.”
Binchy: “In the worst case scenario to hypothesise imprisonment is irresponsible to your viewers. Irresponsible.”
Browne: “William, how is it legally mistaken?”
Binchy: “I’ll tell you why because no woman is actually prosecuted. The abortionist is prosecuted in very rare circumstances. That’s the way the law operates.”
Browne: “But the law is that the women, woman can also be prosecuted. That’s the law. So how is what I said legally mistaken?”
Binchy: “Because you have to stay in the world of reality.”
Browne: “So it’s not actually legally mistaken?”
Back in hairier times:
“To assert to the Supreme Court in those circumstances would grant an injunction against a woman going to England is to assert that the Supreme Court is composed of imbeciles.”
William Binchy, 1983 following the passing of the pro-life amendment, the constitutional ban on abortion.
Previously: And So It Came To Pass