The chance of the Scots voting Yes,
Is causing some orange distress,
Though maybe this year,
They’ll win it with fear,
They’ve sleepwalked right into a mess.
John Moynes
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The chance of the Scots voting Yes,
Is causing some orange distress,
Though maybe this year,
They’ll win it with fear,
They’ve sleepwalked right into a mess.
John Moynes
Scottenfreude!
I would love to see a Yes vote, for many reasons. A major one is that the Loyalist nutjobs in our country would get a wake up call – there is no empire, no glorious UK, nothing to cling on to. It would be time to live in the 21st century, not the 17th.
So your major reason for wanting a Scottish Yes vote, is that it would **** off Northern Ireland Protestants?
How thoroughly commendable and “21st century” of you.
Yes, enjoying the pain of people who live in the 17th century is very 21st century.
I said one of my major reasons, there are others.
Loyalist nutjobs does not equal Northern Ireland Protestants just as rabid Republicans does not equal Irish Catholics north or south.
Ultach, you are correct. I did mention Loyalists on purpose – they are extremists who deserve their come uppence.
Righto so.
i’d like it to be yes, if only to see the look on queenie’s face. interesting discussion on d rajio on what’s going to happen to all UK’s nukes which are in permanent bunkers in scotland. still, you have to admire the fact that it’s the big picture that counts among our scottish cousins, not the detail – a victory for ‘sure, it’ll be grand’.
Indeed. I see what you are saying. While I myself would like a YES vote primarily for Scotland and the Scots, the various consequences are quite favourable too for Irish Nationalists, Welsh Nationalists, English regional politics, European small nations etc. Not so much for Ulster Loyalists. Devolution is a positive thing in my book but the ripples afterwards can be problematic and scupper a whole series of trusted pacts and agreements.
Oh and the whole FLEG re-design will be interesting ;)
It would be nice for unionists (where ever they happen to be) to see what it is like to have their country split in two. I think it might have happened to my country about 90 years ago.
That split wasn’t democratic, this one might be.
It is clear to me that Scottish self determination will be a lot better for Scottish people, than being a province in a country where power and wealth is centralised to London.
Agree. Though Scotland are actually well-represented in Westminister and their social welfare bill a massive cost to the British Exchequer.
Really recommend this BBC documentary: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04dr69k/scotland-votes-whats-at-stake-for-the-uk
Touches upon N.Ireland and Wales plus examines the aftermath of either Yes or No votes.
1) The British government has been patronising the Scottish for years by spending more tax money per head of population on the Sottish than they do on the English.
2)The economic arguments for a yes vote aren’t that good, and are based on over enthusiastic estimates of North Sea Oil reserves, in the main.
3) The reason for the Union in the first instance wasn’t anything to do with jack-booted red coat thugs, it was because Scotland was broke.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme
4) The smartarse remarks about the submarine pens in the Clyde estuary and the British nuclear deterrent., completely overlooks the fact that for the greater part these facilities are owned and paid for by Uncle Sam. I’m sure Uncle Sam will understand and not hold it against them.
5) The notion that Scotland could emulate the Celtic Tiger miracle, by adopting our corporation tax policies, ignore the fact that these policies are fairly universally loathed in the EU.
@Odis
At no point did I mention submarines or a Scottish Celtic Tiger.
Sorry Hoop, my commenting must have ended up in the wrong place.
Nay problem. Ye make valid points, anyhoo.
nice post odis. i take it the referendum is to simply repeal the act of union, so where does it leave the 300-odd years of legislation passed since then?
@ scotser. The Scottish have their own laws to a degree, though I don’t know a lot about it.
I would imagine they would cart on with the Westminster legislation, until or unless it needs to be amended or replaced.
Wanting a Unionist crisis of confidence is not the same as wanting to piss off east Ulster protestants.
I think you’ll find it is
No more NHS, massive loss of employment through Ship building, military employment, Civil servants and so on….confusion over national liabilities and assets, who owns and owes what, confusion over the pound (all of which will be a big no no to investors and the markets)…the list goes on, the Yes campaign are selling a con to Scots and are painting over the dozens of major issues
You are aware, of course, that NHS Scotland has been more or less completely independent of the NHS for over 50 years?
The Tories are systematically dismantling the NHS, as we speak. So if’s an either/or scenario (which is it isn’t when it comes to NHS funding), a “No” vote is more of a threat than a “Yes”.